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Boon Mee

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Well, if he keeps up like this, he's got my vote.
It's time for...what's that word progressives love to throw about these days?

Closure...

Milkman

I wasn't sure where to put this article so I did a search. Lots of threads related to the "Iranian Issue."

Is the article below credible? Hard to say. I suppose we'll wait and see.

Link: Dutch intel: US to strike Iran in coming weeks | Iran news | Jerusalem Post

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HermantheGerman

Here is the original

Aanval op Iran verwacht - Binnenland - Telegraaf.nl [24 uur actueel, ook mobiel] [binnenland]

keda

An attack by the US on Iran right now would be handing the next admin to the black fella.

HermantheGerman

Who said he's black ?

I thought he's mixed racial !

Or does anyone here on Teakdoor, who has children with a Thai, call his children Thai ?

Milkman

Can you explain more?

I don't understand how you can draw such a conclusion.

Bugs

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Actually it could swing it either way.

On one hand folks in the US have had enough of the fighting, and opening up another front might be enough to push them over the edge and run screaming from the republicans.

On the other hand the republicans tend to fair much better when folks are worried about security issues, and bitch slapping Iran might get them concerned about how Iran and the ME in general will react. Thus getting them worried about US security issues and getting them to lean towards McCain if they think he would handle that side of things better than Obama.

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HermantheGerman

Are we getting closer ?

Why is the Dollar getting stronger?
Why is Oil falling so rapidly?




Sarkozy warns Iran over risk of Israeli attack

By Andrew England in Damascus
Published: September 5 2008 03:00 | Last updated: September 5 2008 03:00

Nicolas Sarkozy, France's president, warned Iran yesterday it was taking a big risk by seeking to obtain a military nuclear capability, saying that one day it could find Israel had decided to attack.
In one of the most explicit warnings to Tehran by a western leader, Mr Sarkozy said: "One day, whatever the Israeli government, we could find one morning that Israel has struck.
"The question is not whether it would be legitimate, whether it would be intelligent. What will we do at that moment? It would be a catastrophe. We must avoid that catastrophe."
Iran insists it is pursuing a civilian programme but western powers suspect it is seeking to develop nuclear weapons.
Israel has not ruled out military action against Iran if the crisis over its nuclear programme is not resolved, and in June tension in-creased with further military exercises by the Jewish state. Israel is the only Middle Eastern state thought to possess a military nuclear capability, although it does not publicly acknowledge the fact.
Mr Sarkozy was speaking at a summit in Damascus with Bashar al-Assad, his Syrian counterpart, and the leaders of Turkey and Qatar. Syria is an ally of Iran and Mr Sarkozy has asked Mr Assad to help to resolve the stand-off between Iran and the west. "The United States knows the role Syria can play," Mr Sarkozy said. "Syria can play a major role on this issue."
The summit marked a coup for Mr Assad as Syria is gradually welcomed back into the international fold. But Washington still treats the Arab state as a pariah. Observers also doubt the extent of influence Syria has with Iran, and relations between Damascus and Tehran have suffered following Syria's decision to enter indirect peace talks with Israel, diplomats say.
Mr Assad said Damascus had submitted proposals to Turkish mediators that could form the basis for Syria's first direct negotiations with Israel for eight years. A fifth round of indirect talks between the two nations had been postponed, he said, following the resignation of an Israeli negotiator in the wake of the decision by Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, to step down later this month.
Turkey said those talks would resume this month. But any direct negotiations would not take place until after US elections and once Mr Olmert's successor had been chosen.
Damascus appears to be banking on the US elections leading to a policy shift in Washington. But critics of the Syrian regime will argue they need to see real action rather than rhetoric before being convinced Damascus is serious about the talks.
Mr Sarkozy also used the trip to boost economic ties, and the French energy group Total announced that it reached three deals with Syria, including extending its licence on the Deir Ez Zor gas field by 10 years.


Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008

keda

If any therapy is needed it'll be the Israelis that do it, not the US.

Milky, the way things are with the loony left nowadays, if the planet were threatened the US would be castigated for placing its military and resources at the front end...which btw they would do not only because they're the most advanced but also because they're used to making sacrifices for ungrateful cnuts.

So much bitching about the US and UK, though people from the world over daily risk their lives to enter these lands of opportunity. Maybe they're all misguided, eh?

If you ask me TD's steadily being infiltrated by sickos.

keda

Yeah go on, put me to task for saying 'the world over...'

HermantheGerman

Keda !
You are so right ! But who is in charge of the US Govt ? No Redneck thats for sure.

bkkandrew

It actually started some while ago...

http://teakdoor.com/members/antrobertson.html

Milkman

I see 2 points above.

1. critique of US foreign policy, and

2. people wanting to come to the US (and UK) for opportunity.


I think number 1 and number 2 are two separate issues that are not related.

Milkman

Edit in:

I forgot to add that: the author of this article is a retired CIA official who's authored at least one book.

Here's an article on Isreal's potential to strike nuclear facilities in Iran.

The article notes that in a retaliation (if the US was involved), Iran would likely:

-Shut down the Persian Gulf via Silkworm missiles. Oil price would go way up.

-Hit US targets in Iraq and Afghanistan, which it can easily do by dialing in the coordinates of the shihab-3 missile and other rockets

-Hezbollah could possible use this timing to attack Israel.


I do think Israel will strike Iran's nuclear facilities. I dont see Israel sitting back and waiting to see if Iran is serious.

Entire: Bet on Israel bombing Iran

keda

Milky, recent domestics have left me a bit behind on the latest developments viz a viz Israel and Iran, but some material elements from a year or ten ago can be taken as definitive...

We know that if Israel strikes Iran, whether on its own or as a US proxy, only negatives will result, price of oil, closure of the Gulf, global islamic backlash etc. The result will be chaos, nothing profound here, and islamic outrage against the West's response to islamic provocation is common enough if not predictable.

Otoh, Israel will strike, on its own and specifically against US or global interests, if she believes Iran is far enough along the nuclear path for her to feel severely threatened. In this case, same again, result = chaos, and nothing profound here either, because her survival instinct will kick in regardless of the consequences.


Now something to fire up the usual suspects...My guess is that the West (read the US, since the Euros are pathological wimps) can never again more than tokenly confront or moderate extremist islamic regimes, and will soon realise they can do little more than address their interests defensively, for damage limitation...or that anything positive or settling can occur unless and until it is fully insulated from its oil addiction with a feasible alternative energy source. This will happen because it must, though unlikely in our natural lifetime, and I see it as a race between that independence and extremist islamic influence/domination through deliberate and concerted efforts to undermine the will of the West and its increasingly vulnerable resources.

I am not saying that an alternative energy source is the answer to all of our woes, far from, and it should be clear to most that the problem is more religious than energy based, but energy independence would give us the ability to effectively address the more serious issues without the paralysing fear of being starved to death.


I also believe that Western leaders are complacent and blinded to the fact that time is running against them, and that if they do not get their act together and fast, this century will witness a bloodbath the likes of which will make WW11 seem like a day out with Pooh, as inevitable.

Prophet of doom? I hope so.

sabang

Armageddon, Keda?

I have read at least one Trip report of yours where you have travelled with a Moslem, who seemed far from intent on Jihad. Actually the Philistine was just out to have a good time. Why do you automatically cede Primacy to the Radicals- that is not the march of history. Armageddon, again, or something else?

And of course you hate my (and the international communities) 'Land for Peace' mantra, but I'm afraid I can see no better solution to the security of Israel.

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