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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post

    I am not so sure the pressure was on for him to maintain his legal amount of flying hours and get the plane back to where it should be within a certain time frame although I would have to re-watch the documentary for the details.

    The senior pilot was under pressure to take off.

    Because of the delay caused by the appalling weather his maximum flying hours where rapidly approaching and that meant flying in another crew and off loading all the passengers into a hotel if he went over time.

    He made a call to take off without permission and hit the other plane resulting in a huge loss of life.

    100 % pilot error. Nothing to do with the state of the plane or even the weather.

    He discarded the Standard Operating Procedure and all died.

    Would I fly KLM once the facts came out ?

    Absolutely. The Captain was 100 % wrong.

    Further more it was discovered that the Junior pilot had questioned the Seniors pilots decision to take off but was too scared to do anything about it because of the Senior pilots rank.

    Turned out that the Senior pilot had massive hours up and was an instructor.

    The rules have now been changed so a Junior pilot can over rule a Senior pilot if the Junior pilot feels the Senior pilot is placing the plane in jeopardy.

    Once again human error causes many plane crashes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post



    3 excellent lucid posts Terry, are the bars locked in Bali


    Na, Just run out of head banging hydro mull. Shits me when I have to straighten up.

    Anyway the mad Corby bint is only a stones throw away so I'll just pop down there and supply up.

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    BYO boogy board tel? I will add my 2 kips worth AA So far have been excellent as far as I'm concerned, loved the flatbed seats KL to Perth, been fucked about once or twice with them changing the schedule, you just have to be a bit flexible I reckon ,

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    ^

    Yep budget Airline,

    Go with the flow EH.

    But I must say in the 10 years I have been flying with them I've hardly been foked around.

    Unlike the Budget arm of Qantas which is Jet Star.

    Conts just cancel flights on whim and bump passengers onto the next plane to fill it.

    I never fly Qantas or there shitty low cost Jetstar but they done this to my friends this year flying Bangkok to Melbourne.

    Mincers working as trolly dollys as well.

    Butters might love that but I find it thoroughly disturbing.

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    Right up butters alley all that shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post

    I am not so sure the pressure was on for him to maintain his legal amount of flying hours and get the plane back to where it should be within a certain time frame although I would have to re-watch the documentary for the details.

    The senior pilot was under pressure to take off.

    Because of the delay caused by the appalling weather his maximum flying hours where rapidly approaching and that meant flying in another crew and off loading all the passengers into a hotel if he went over time.

    He made a call to take off without permission and hit the other plane resulting in a huge loss of life.

    100 % pilot error. Nothing to do with the state of the plane or even the weather.

    He discarded the Standard Operating Procedure and all died.

    Would I fly KLM once the facts came out ?

    Absolutely. The Captain was 100 % wrong.

    Further more it was discovered that the Junior pilot had questioned the Seniors pilots decision to take off but was too scared to do anything about it because of the Senior pilots rank.

    Turned out that the Senior pilot had massive hours up and was an instructor.

    The rules have now been changed so a Junior pilot can over rule a Senior pilot if the Junior pilot feels the Senior pilot is placing the plane in jeopardy.

    Once again human error causes many plane crashes.
    Apart from the pilots something that is rarely mentioned is the KLM plane had a flight engineer, had he cut the fuel the pilot wouldn't have been able to do anything but then like the co-pilot he was young and too scared of the captain to do anything. This scenario of deference to the man in charge has been played out time and time again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post

    Conts just cancel flights on whim and bump passengers onto the next plane to fill it.
    El Al go one better.

    I was on a flight once where the whole of business class were turfed out.

    An important official needed to use the plane.

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    I've been flying Malaysian for the past several years. I flew almost exclusively AA when I first arrived in Malaysia in 2009 - back then the fares were really low and I didn't mind the inconveniences. It got to the point, however, where the price difference between AA and MAS was pretty small, and I just hated LCCT. It was over crowded, almost always had issues checking in, shitty choice of places to eat, uncontrollable boarding process - all just slightly better than the Manila and Jakarta airports (which are the worst I have been in).

    As a comparison, I loved the budget terminal in Singapore before they closed that. It was convenient, quick to get in and out, comfortable to wait in, and overall pretty organized (as you would expect in SG).

    I am able us use MAS for business as well as personnel travel, attaining silver then gold status, and for a little extra cost (usually less than USD50), I am more than willing to pay the premium for MAS. While the food in economy isn't that good, at least they are serving food with the ticket price! For the regional flights they have a bunch of new 737s with entertainment systems at every seat. I did find they business class seats a little outdated (although my last flight to the US was on Ethihad in business and their seats were no better).

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    Malaysia airline forced me to buy a Departure ticket out of Thailand trying go from Manila to Phuket 1.5hr layover in KL. I knew something was wrong when Malaysia airlines desk in Manila only give me boarding pass to KL not one for onward flight to Phuket. She left me stranded in KL..Long story short had to buy cheapest refundable ticket out of Thailand 6000bht phuket to kl on Malaysia airlines almost missed my flight and stressed out big time because of this bull...
    Here is the best part ...Upon trying to refund my ticket at Malaysia airlines in Phuket town (office at airport NOT SELL OR REFUND TICKETS WTF??)
    They charged me 2000bht REFUND FEE......grrr I still not get refund either yet as it is on my visa card and could take months to get whats left of payment for UNNEEDED ticket DON'T fly Malaysia airlines to Phuket....
    have a nice day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandfound
    Food was atrocious too. Like bad wedding food.
    I never eat at weddings so have no idea what the food is like

    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    I don't think that a Airline can be held responsible for the loss of plane because of gross incompetence of a rouge pilot.
    well, if they hire coloured fellas, they are responsible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    Swissair still exists and has no more accidents than any other airline (only two of note in about 20 years that I can think of).
    Taken over by Lufthansa

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    They seem to have a history of cutting corners. I recall when there was some delay in landing a few years ago at Heathrow one of their planes did not have enough fuel to keep a holding pattern.

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    I remember quite a few years ago when I used to fly Malaysian they would give you a nice pair of socks an eye mask and blanket.

    I knocked off 2 off there travel blankets and still use them today on my Air asia flights.

    Eye mask was shit but the socks where OK.

    But at the end of the day back then the hosties where hot where as Nasty old Qantas loves to employ mincers.

    Hence why Qantas is spiraling into bankruptcy and because of there stupid pricing.

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    Air Asia sold me a ticket from Sing to Bangkok knowing all planes where stuck on the ground at Bangkok, still owe me the ticket price.

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    Hard to believe non Malays will book with them with hefty discouting ,I suppose like here its a free fisrt class bus for the hi-sos and their tarts

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    ^

    I don't know why this event has spooked customers away from Malaysian Airlines ?

    Nothing wrong with the plane but more to do with the Pilot or other outside influences.

    The worst publicity has been caused by the Officials who obviously made up shit instead of just admitting they had no idea where it went or what happened.

    I'd fly with them except I wont simply because AirAsia leaves them far behind regards pricing.

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    as Nasty old Qantas loves to employ mincers.
    tis run by a Mincer Paddy! wot you expect Tel, mind you the AA girls are eye candy!

    I still call Australia [a place to pay Tax's] Home

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    any news on MH ??? do you still remember them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    Swissair still exists and has no more accidents than any other airline (only two of note in about 20 years that I can think of).
    Taken over by Lufthansa
    Flew Swissair business class last month and it was bloody good.


    Lounge in Zurich was shit though.

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    They have just lost their customer base. See thread relating to downed jet.

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