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    Quote Originally Posted by reddog View Post
    The Chinese search ship has spent most of it's time in port,repairs,rough weather,etc etc.
    The Dutch ship hired by OZ has been out looking,making the Chinese look like dicks.
    To no avail.

    Wrong search area, according to both marine biologists and the oceanic drift theorists so far involved.

    The debris with their attached bio-forms so far, indicate a tropical to sub-tropical locus for MH370's resting place, thousands of miles away from the Oz search area.
    Last edited by ENT; 07-09-2016 at 07:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    The Oz bloke has an Oz agendum.

    The French are more independent of the search.

    I'd rather side with the unaligned observers.

    Search further re. opinions on MH370 debacle, your 'lists' and 'reports' that you rely on smack of pro-establishment views.

    No use shooting the messenger, boyo, it'll all come out in the final wash.
    I'm not shooting the messenger, you posted BOTH stories..
    That makes no sense whatsoever.
    Both drift theory and bio-oceanography contribute to the research.

    Think deeper.
    You can't think any more deep than 15,000 feet down in Davy Jones Locker.

    I posted both stories because they represent two angles of approach to the problem.

    The Indian Ocean's a lot deeper than 15,000 ft, its about twice as deep.
    As a qualified multibeam tickler, I find it very hard to see how you could find anything at that depth... I've managed to pick out a 3m object at about 200-300m with high resolution state of the art multibeam, but even then, they had to use triangulation, because it could have been anything really, you get so many artefacts sometimes, caused by all sorts of things going on in the water that may or may not be caused by the search vehicle itself. That was in a small defined area where the approximate location was known via other comms between vessel and object. This search thing on this thread seems more like exploiting peoples' grief to make money and test out bits of equipment. Unfortunate really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Look at the way it's broken.
    Sorry, are you an expert qualified in "how things break"?

    Ahem.

    Another piece of aircraft wreckage, believed to be from MH370, has added strength to the belief that the plane was not under the control of a pilot when it smashed into the southern Indian Ocean.

    The fact that it is badly mangled with torn edges has led experts to conclude that the aircraft was not glided down for a "soft" landing on the sea.

    Mangled 'MH370 debris' found off the coast of Mozambique suggests plane may have exploded - World - NZ Herald News

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    "Game changer: New possible MH370 debris shows signs of fire on board

    Adventurer and MH370 sleuth Blaine Gibson has brought what he believes is the most significant piece of potential wreckage from the missing Malaysia Airlines plane to Australia for analysis.

    The fragment, found by three locals on the east coast of Madagascar and passed on to Gibson, appears to have come from the interior of a Boeing 777 and exhibits signs of having been exposed to fire or a great heat.

    "The top layer of paint has been singed, scorched black," Gibson told Channel 7 after touching down in Australia.

    Gibson personally handed over the debris to Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) investigators in Canberra this morning.

    If confirmed to have come from the plane, it will be the first evidence that a fire - possibly an electrical one - brought down MH370 rather than the actions of a suicidal pilot.

    Gibson said it was also possible the burn marks could have come from the force of impact.

    Gibson has found 13 of the 27 pieces of suspected and confirmed MH370 debris that have been found to date during beachcombing expeditions in Mozambique, Madagascar and the region."



    Really?

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    Wing Flap Found in Tanzania Confirmed to Be Part of MH370

    SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA —
    A wing flap that washed ashore on an island off Tanzania has been identified as belonging to missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, Australian officials said Thursday.


    The flap was found in June by residents on Pemba Island off the coast of Tanzania, and officials had previously said it was highly likely to have come from the missing Boeing 777. An analysis by experts at the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is heading up the search for the plane, subsequently confirmed the part was indeed from the aircraft, the agency said in a statement.

    Several pieces of wreckage suspected to have come from the plane have washed ashore on coastlines around the Indian Ocean since the aircraft vanished with 239 people on board during a flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing on March 8, 2014.

    The wing flap brings to five the number of pieces of debris the Australian Transport Safety Bureau has determined are almost certainly, or are definitely, from Flight 370. Another piece of wing found a year ago on La Reunion Island, near Madagascar, was positively identified by French officials.

    Search officials expect more wreckage to wash up in the months ahead. But so far, none of the debris has helped narrow down the precise location of the main underwater wreckage.

    The Australian Transport Safety Bureau anticipates search crews will complete their sweep of the 120,000-square kilometer (46,000-square mile) search zone in the Indian Ocean off Australia's west coast by December.

    Meanwhile, oceanographers have been analyzing the wing flaps from La Reunion and Tanzania in the hope of identifying a possible new search area through drift modeling. But a new search would require a new funding commitment, with Malaysia, Australia and China agreeing in July that the $160 million hunt will be suspended once the current stretch of ocean is exhausted unless new evidence emerges that would pinpoint a specific location of the aircraft.

    Earlier this week, relatives of some of the passengers on board the plane met with officials from the transport bureau and asked that more potential debris found around the Indian Ocean be examined. The families believe those items may help provide clues to the plane's location.

    Wing Flap Found in Tanzania Confirmed to Be Part of MH370

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    Doesn't look like a high speed crash on the leading edge, trailing edge looks banged about and worn.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Doesn't look like a high speed crash on the leading edge, trailing edge looks banged about and worn.



    Don't follow our reasoning, plane hit hard, bits break off.
    Again with the ELBs, soft water landing they go off within 50 seconds, plane needs to go under in that 50 seconds, no controlled water landing.

    Harry.s lack of maintenance of the ELB doesn't cut it, the batteries have a shelf life of 10 to 15 years. After that they lose minimum signal life. instead of 30 hours, it drops off.
    So say never changed, still have 10 hours of charge, but no signal.

    Add that after 150 mil dollar search, no one can afford to send a guy to Africa to check out the possible hand luggage or seat parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is heading up the search for the plane
    Honest sincere if dumb question why a flight from Malaysia to China with debris in Africa is being paid for by poor Oz Taxpayer?

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    Money being made by someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
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    Look at the way it's broken.
    Sorry, are you an expert qualified in "how things break"?

    Ahem.

    Another piece of aircraft wreckage, believed to be from MH370, has added strength to the belief that the plane was not under the control of a pilot when it smashed into the southern Indian Ocean.

    The fact that it is badly mangled with torn edges has led experts to conclude that the aircraft was not glided down for a "soft" landing on the sea.

    Mangled 'MH370 debris' found off the coast of Mozambique suggests plane may have exploded - World - NZ Herald News
    The FACT that you describe an unconfirmed news story as fact speaks volumes.

    Perhaps you need to understand the meaning of the word:

    fact
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    a thing that is known or proved to be true.
    This is not the same as anything beginning "Believed to be" or "believes".



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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
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    Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is heading up the search for the plane
    Honest sincere if dumb question why a flight from Malaysia to China with debris in Africa is being paid for by poor Oz Taxpayer?
    Discussed and answered in the thread:

    They will be paid back in goodwill, trade deals, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    you describe an unconfirmed news story as fact
    I hadn't noticed myself doing that.

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    Probably just in denial of reality, as usual.

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    You mean the way you are in denial of having been a smoker for fifty years ? Which you have admitted to on this forum ....

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    What's that got to do with the OP?

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    About as much as your previous comment, which you were not invited to give.

    You just jumped in out of nowhere to insult me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
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    you describe an unconfirmed news story as fact
    I hadn't noticed myself doing that.
    I should be more specific. Your quote:

    "The fact that it is badly mangled with torn edges has led experts to conclude..."

    offers no evidence at all, simply poor journalistic hearsay.

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    Honest sincere if dumb question why a flight from Malaysia to China with debris in Africa is being paid for by poor Oz Taxpayer?

    Because it crashed in Aust Maritime search rescue area,if they didn't search the Malaysians would not of because the last thing they want is finding the black boxes and
    showing the rogue pilot crashed it.
    The Chinese are paying lip service as far as looking,what's a few people to them.

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    Who knows, they might actually bite if there are fuel savings to be made.

    Aireon, FlightAware partner to launch GlobalBeacon flight tracking tool for MH370 mandate
    Posted on September 21, 2016

    FlightawareAireon and FlightAware have struck a new partnership with the launch of GlobalBeacon, a solution providing airlines with 100 per cent global flight tracking.

    GlobalBeacon is designed to ensure airlines are in compliance with Global Aeronautical Distress Safety System (GADSS) recommendations and requirements.

    Announced by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) in March 2016, GADSS was created largely in response to the disappearance of MH370, and is designed to help prevent the loss of commercial aircraft in distress over remote locations.

    GlobalBeacon will provide airlines with minute-by-minute, global tracking of Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast (ADS-B) equipped aircraft by 2018.

    At the heart of GlobalBeacon’s capability is a combination of data from Aireon’s space-based ADS-B aircraft surveillance network, due to be operational by 2018, and FlightAware’s flight tracking web interface and worldwide flight tracking data – including origin, destination, flight plan route, position, and estimated time of arrival. When implemented, airlines will be instantly equipped to meet or exceed GADSS requirements and recommendations, with no new avionics required.

    The core of the GADSS recommendations and requirements stipulate that aircraft report their position to their airline operations center no less than once every 15 minutes. Should an aircraft become in distress, however, position reports then must be provided every minute. GlobalBeacon will provide a permanent, real-time reporting capability, far exceeding the ICAO recommendation. Implementation of GADSS provisions is expected by 2018.

    “GlobalBeacon was created to help solve an important problem that has bedevilled the aviation industry since commercial flight began, and together Aireon and FlightAware are proud to offer a true solution,” said Aireon CEO, Don Thoma. “No other product can provide 100 per cent global tracking, in real-time, without the cost of additional avionics equipage. We’ve already seen significant interest from airlines in this solution, and you can expect to hear a big announcement on that front in the coming days.”

    In addition to aircraft location reporting, GADSS also requires aircraft to provide immediate notification of abnormal events, regardless of air traffic control regions and without sacrificing baseline search and rescue services.

    Other products may require additional equipment and for airlines to create and implement new distress activation procedures in the cockpit and on the ground. However, GlobalBeacon will offer a comprehensive one-size-fits-all global flight tracking solution for ADS-B equipped aircraft with no new required infrastructure, either in the air or on the ground. Further, existing FlightAware customers can seamlessly integrate GlobalBeacon with their current services.

    GlobalBeacon will provide airlines with a web-based, real-time aircraft tracking dashboard that features configurable alerts, providing immediate notification of abnormal events. Should an aircraft deviate from its intended flight path, experience severe turbulence or stop transmitting location, the aircraft will automatically enter distressed status and immediately notify its airline operations centre, who can take appropriate actions.

    “With GlobalBeacon, airlines will have a single GADSS solution for all of their aircraft,” said FlightAware CEO, Daniel Baker. “Combining FlightAware’s vast airline flight tracking data with Aireon’s global space-based ADS-B surveillance capabilities will create the first 100 percent global solution for this difficult problem. The industry is about to take a tremendous technological leap forward in the name of safety, and we’re proud to lead the way.”

    FlightAware will also be integrating Aireon’s space-based ADS-B surveillance data with its existing products including FlightAware Global and FlightAware Firehose, currently used by thousands of customers to track their aircraft. FlightAware Global provides real-time air traffic control data and radar data for flights to, from and within more than 55 countries. The addition of Aireon’s capabilities will provide FlightAware Global with 100 per cent global coverage. FlightAware Firehose provides a secure streaming data feed of flight positions and flight status data via a combination of worldwide air traffic control data, ADS-B, and aircraft datalink information.

    Aireon’s space-based ADS-B service will be operational in 2018, shortly after the completion of the Iridium NEXT satellite constellation. The constellation will consist of 66 operational low-earth-orbit satellites providing 100 per cent global coverage. The service will also provide Air Navigation Service Providers (ANSPs) with global aircraft surveillance capability, and is expected to help reduce fuel costs, increase safety and enable more efficient flight paths.
    Aireon, FlightAware partner to launch GlobalBeacon flight tracking tool for MH370 mandate | Air Traffic Management | Air Traffic Management - ATM and CMS Industry online, the latest air traffic control industry, CAA, ANSP, SESAR and NEXTGEN news, eve

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    Blackened MH370 debris 'not evidence' of catastrophic fire

    Australian authorities say it is not yet certain that debris handed in last week came from the plane that vanished in 2014.






    The possible debris appears to be scorched and shows signs of melting


    In a statement, it said: "At this stage it is not possible to determine whether the debris is from MH370 or indeed even a Boeing 777.
    Further work will be undertaken in an attempt to determine the origin of the items, specifically whether they originated from a Boeing 777 aircraft."

    But, it added, a preliminary examination found that two fiberglass-honeycomb pieces were not burnt, but had been discoloured by a reaction to resin that had not been caused by exposure to fire or heat, the statement said.

    It said there were three small areas of heat damage on one of the pieces which gave off a smell of burning. However, the smell suggested the heat damage was recent.

    The statement explained: "It was considered that burning odours would generally dissipate after an extended period of environmental exposure, including salt water immersion, as expected for items originating from the missing plane."

    The American wreckage collector has found 14 pieces of debris that could potentially come from the missing plane.

    He had suggested the darkened surfaces of the latest debris could be evidence of a fire that caused the plane to crash.

    Blackened MH370 debris 'not evidence' of catastrophic fire

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    That bloke should be wearing a tin foil hat, everything he finds is from MH370.

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    Claims are that he's found something like 14 of the 20, or thereabouts, pieces of wreckage that could be from MH370.

    Something doesn't add up there,....either he's for real or the stuff's been planted.

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    Or he's a manic obsessive.

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