Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

[Cujo]

If USA wanted the plane for some reason, I doubt that they'd even admit to having it at Diego Garcia, for one

What would the US want with an MAS 777-200 they have enough of their own.

Yes, there must be easier and simpler ways to get a plane, buy one for example.

[Latindancer]

The plane does not have to have been flown to Diego Garcia. This is a good example of conspiracy theorists shooting themselves in the foot and discrediting the very ideas they claim to put forward.
The bare fact is that it is a little unusual that people claimed to have seen a low-flying plane with those colours. And it is bare facts we need to deal with.
And just because there were no (official) records of it having been on radar, this does not mean that it did not fly through.

Does the phrase "under the radar" ring a bell with anyone ? After all, the residents did say it was flying very low.

I'm not trying to put forward this theory....just saying that in the absence of any really substantial information, that this avenue has not been discounted sufficiently.

[ENT]

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[ENT]

Zero evidence of anyone seeing it flying over the Maldives.

"Several witnesses in Dhaalu Atoll saw a plane heading south that bore the red stripe and white background of Malaysia Airlines planes.

[ENT]

If USA wanted the plane for some reason, I doubt that they'd even admit to having it at Diego Garcia, for one

What would the US want with an MAS 777-200 they have enough of their own.

Yes, there must be easier and simpler ways to get a plane, buy one for example.

Are you two that stupid as to thnk USA would want the Plane and only that?

Yup you are, it seems.

It's what was aboard the plane that interested anybody, its cargo (electronics) and some of its passengers (electronics experts).

Of course, Koojo, you forget your post #734 on this thread where you post the theory spun from reported and validated facts that two ex-USA Seals employed in guarding a mysterious cargo were found equally mysteriously dead of heroin overdose the day after the cargo was landed in the Seychelles.

That story you posted claimed that the mysterious cargo that they were guarding was nothing less than a load of electronics used for drone guidance, the whole lot having been previously nicked from the US forces somewhere in Afghanistan, shipped to Arabia then on to the Seychelles en route to KL then China (to whom the whole lot was sold to by the Taliban/or Al Quaeda) on board MH370.

Not a bad theory,....far better than the one about pilot suicide and the plane helplessly ditched in the Indian Ocean when it ran out of fuel.

[koman]

It's what was aboard the plane that interested anybody, its cargo (electronics) and some of its passengers (electronics experts).

Just a small point ENT. These "experts" were already employed by a US company.
Why would they need to hijack a plane to get them? Usually this is done by inviting them over for coffee..... which seems a lot more civil and cost effective...

[harrybarracuda]

Zero evidence of anyone seeing it flying over the Maldives.

"Several witnesses in Dhaalu Atoll saw a plane heading south that bore the red stripe and white background of Malaysia Airlines planes.

ONE witness saw and it CLAIMED that others had.

And he described it as a jumbo jet.

“I’ve never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We’ve seen seaplanes, but I’m sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly,” said an <sic> witness.

"It’s not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing." - said the bloke who'd probably spent all night drinking and wanted to get in the news.

He'd seen seaplanes before but he was sure it wasn't one of those? No s**t Sherlock.

Very credible, yes.



LatinDancer said:

[QUOTE]I'm not trying to put forward this theory....just saying that in the absence of any really substantial information, that this avenue has not been discounted sufficiently.[QUOTE]

Yes it has. I think you'll find Maldives military radar could probably spot a large fishing boat at 100km, let alone a plane.

That's exactly *why* it was ruled out.

It's somewhere at the bottom of some of the deepest parts of the Indian Ocean, where the pilot wanted it to be.

[beerlaodrinker]

Erm, all you blokes that believe in psycho kenesis.....".Raise my hand

[OhOh]

Yes it has. I think you'll find Maldives military radar could probably spot a large fishing boat at 100km, let alone a plane.

Was it on at the time? Would the Maldives react to another "military" in the area threatening them by destroying the evidence or going public?

[ENT]

It's what was aboard the plane that interested anybody, its cargo (electronics) and some of its passengers (electronics experts).

Just a small point ENT. These "experts" were already employed by a US company.
Why would they need to hijack a plane to get them? Usually this is done by inviting them over for coffee..... which seems a lot more civil and cost effective...

So what?

All them folks killed by the WTC hoax/debacle were US citizens or residents. Why did Bush et al want to kill them and wipe out a stack of debt and asbestos ridden real-estate and billions of dollars worth of bad debts investigations at the FBI offices?

Cost effective, that's why.

Those employees on MH370 were on their way to China with a shipment of "electronics" a few feet under their feet in the cargo bay.

Hijacking the cargo plus the electronics company employees in one move is very cost effective.

[ENT]

I think you'll find Maldives military radar could probably spot a large fishing boat at 100km, let alone a plane.

Maldives radar was too expensive to run 24/7, as was the case with Bangladesh, Sri Lankar and Indian radar,so radar wasn't likely to have been switched on at the time.

[koman]

It's what was aboard the plane that interested anybody, its cargo (electronics) and some of its passengers (electronics experts).

Just a small point ENT. These "experts" were already employed by a US company.
Why would they need to hijack a plane to get them? Usually this is done by inviting them over for coffee..... which seems a lot more civil and cost effective...

So what?

All them folks killed by the WTC hoax/debacle were US citizens or residents. Why did Bush et al want to kill them and wipe out a stack of debt and asbestos ridden real-estate and billions of dollars worth of bad debts investigations at the FBI offices?

Cost effective, that's why.

Those employees on MH370 were on their way to China with a shipment of "electronics" a few feet under their feet in the cargo bay.

Hijacking the cargo plus the electronics company employees in one move is very cost effective.

Well OK then ENT....you may well be onto something, although I'm not clear why they would bother to hijack their own engineers and electronics; but then again the plane could have flown into a formation of high flying Unicorns and suffered massive decompression when the horns penetrated the fuselage......

Unicorns don't show up on radar you know...

[ENT]

It's what was aboard the plane that interested anybody, its cargo (electronics) and some of its passengers (electronics experts).

Just a small point ENT. These "experts" were already employed by a US company.
Why would they need to hijack a plane to get them? Usually this is done by inviting them over for coffee..... which seems a lot more civil and cost effective...

So what?

All them folks killed by the WTC hoax/debacle were US citizens or residents. Why did Bush et al want to kill them and wipe out a stack of debt and asbestos ridden real-estate and billions of dollars worth of bad debts investigations at the FBI offices?

Cost effective, that's why.

Those employees on MH370 were on their way to China with a shipment of "electronics" a few feet under their feet in the cargo bay.

Hijacking the cargo plus the electronics company employees in one move is very cost effective.

Well OK then ENT....you may well be onto something, although I'm not clear why they would bother to hijack their own engineers and electronics;

OK, here's a fairly well fleshed out article around the theory of MH370 having been hijacked by USa and landed at (most likely ) Diego Garcia;




Did Flight MH370 Land at Diego Garcia?

By wmw_admin on July 28, 2014
Introduction — July 27, 2014

Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 disappeared from radar. Click to enlarge

The following is from an emailed news bulletin from Peter Myers. It’s important because the corporate media seems to have almost forgotten about Flight MH370 but, as Myers shows, many questions remain.

Although the corporate media isn’t asking these questions and seems unwilling to investigate any further, the accumulated evidence suggests that Flight MH370 may have been hijacked and landed at Diego Garcia.

We only offer only a tiny excerpt from Myers’ newsletter but have provided links to his archives for those who wish to investigate further. Ed.

Peter Myers on MH370

Readers, I hope you will forgive me for sending out fewer bulletins lately. I live like a peasant – “Plain Living and High Thinking”, as Thoreau put it – which means that I am the carpenter, plumber, gardener, orchardist, mechanic etc at my small farm and one other block. In addition, I am editor of a Garden club newsletter.

However, be assured that I have been collecting information as usual. I have a huge backlog to send to you.
The Wikipedia article on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 says that the search “became the largest and most expensive in history”:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370

We conspiracy analysts see it as a new 9/11. And an Inside Job, just like 9/11. But whereas 9/11 is likely to have been a Mossad job (with backing from traitorous elements in the US Government), most of us see MH370 as a CIA operation. The exceptions are Christopher Bollyn and Yoichi Shimatsu, who see it as Mossad.

Because MH370 is so important, I am archiving all my newsletters about it. You can see that archive at http://mailstar.net/bulletins/bulletins.html
My two earlier newsletters on MH370 are archived there:
1: Maldives sightings: http://mailstar.net/bulletins/140319-b2362-MH370.rtf
2: Mahathir alleges remote hijacking by CIA; Yoichi Shimatsu presents a detailed case:http://mailstar.net/bulletins/140521-b2388-MH370.rtf
This newsletter (the third in the series) is archived there at:http://mailstar.net/bulletins/140727-b2420-MH370.rtf
I hope that you will download all three of them from there, and keep them for reference.
The rtf files should download for opening in Word, with formatting (eg bold) preserved. Please report any problems.

(2) MH370: Internet contributors assemble evidence of Hijacking to Diego Garcia – by Peter Myers, July 27, 2014



The main Wikipedia article on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 makes no mention of Georesonance, Philip Wood, or Diego Garcia, and the Maldives is only mentioned in a footnote, but these are covered in an additional webpage on Unofficial Disappearance Theories:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_unofficial_disappeara nce_theories
(items 3-6) The Maldives sightings of an airliner flying low the morning after MH370 disappeared were discounted by the head of the Maldives National Defence Force.

He said that there was no radar trace of the plane.

However, it had been reported as flying unusually low over the Maldives. MH370 was also reported as flying low over Malaysia and Indonesia to dodge radar, so the Maldives Commander’s dismissal should not be taken as positive proof.

He gave no further details of why he dismissed the sightings, and whether he even talked to those who reported them. The media did not ask further questions.

We do not normally accept military information as beyond question, because militaries have their own agenda and like to shape the news, embed reporters etc.

In 2013, the US put to the Maldives Government a draft agreement for a military base there. These days, they’re not called a “base” but a “lily pad”. The proposal is covered at items 3 to 6 below.

The Maldives Government was willing, but in the end turned it down because its neighbours India and Sri Lanka were upset at such an intrusion into their backyard.

The proposal does show, however, that there was liason between the top levels of the Maldives and US militaries – most likely the Command at Diego Garcia.

Therefore, if that Command had phoned the head of the Maldives Military after the Maldives sightings were reported, he may have obliged without much investigation.

One should not take his statements as conclusive at all.

It would cost only $10,000 dollars or so for the official inquiry, or for the Western media, to send personnel to the Maldives to interview all those who reported sightings, and document them.

Yet, that path has been spurned, even while the cost of the official inquiry approaches $90 million.

(items 7-8) Aviation experts say that when a big airliner like the 777 hits the ocean, it’s like hitting concrete. There’s lots of Debris, and much of it floats on water (eg seats). That happened with Air France Flight 447:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447. Such debris was not found; therefore MH370 landed somewhere. Also see item 40, by Aviator, on this.

(items 9-13) Diego Garcia is the obvious place. Also see Yoichi Shimatsu’s detailed case in my 2nd newsletter about MH370. When Jay Carney responded, “I’ll rule that one out”, journalists took that rebuttal as definitive.

It did not occur to them that Government spokesmen might lie, or even be ignorant about what really happened.

They did not ask, for example, why Diego Garcia Suspended All Flights On March 8th 2014 for 72 hrs (item 10).

(items 14-20) New Scientist & the Wall St Journal reported that MH370 send a number of data packets to Rolls Royce, maker of its engines. Rolls-Royce later went quiet on this; Boeing likewise. Tony Gosling saw it as “the clear signature of an Information Operations campaign to stop publication” (item 39).

The motive is likely connected to the US military’s China focus (Air-Sea Battle), and technology and expertise being sent to China aboard MH370.

Aviator wondered “what caused Rolls Royce to clam up about what they knew? US threats? No more engine sales into the US market maybe?” (item 40).

(items 21-26) Bush Jnr announced technology “to take over distressed aircraft and land it by remote control”.

Boeing Patented remote control of a plane in 2006, and the US Airforce later demonstrated it. Remote-control software disconnects onboard controls, and provides power “from an alternative power control element” (item 25).

(items 27-8) The Mainstream Media reported that MH370 was ‘thrown around like a fighter jet in attempt to dodge radar’, and navigating between way-points as it headed west towards the Andaman Islands.

They interpret this is mean that the plane had been hijacked by a skilled aviator, perhaps the pilot or co-pilot.

Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was an inlaw of Anwar Ibrahim, and a poltical supporter of his who wore a T-shirt saying “Democracy Dead” (see the above graphic). Yet a hijacking would not benefit Anwar’s political position, but rather imperil it, which is why Anwar went to great trouble to distance himself from speculation about it.

The Mainstream Media have not wondered who the hijacker might be, if not the pilot or co-pilot; the only exception is Sally Leivesley, a former British Home Office scientific adviser who warned that MH370 may have been ‘cyber-hijacked’ using a mobile phone or USB stick (see my first newsletter on MH370). Even she, however, did not publicly wonder if the hijacking might have been done, not by amateurs but by Government intelligence agents using a computer.

(items 29-30) The MH370 handshake (attempt to log-on to the IMMARSAT satellite) at 2.25am was unusual. Experts say it indicates power interruption by a hijacker attempting to dodge radar.

They assume that the hijacker would be onboard, and do not consider a remote hijacker – except that the President of Emirates, biggest user of 777s, worries that they can be remotely hijacked (item 26).

The real worry, which they dare not express, is that they cannot trust the US and British Governments.

(items 31-32) The Australian navy admits it followed a false trail of pings, wasting millions of Dollars and precious weeks when the Black Box would be emitting.

Satellite experts writing in The Atlantic (Monthly) concluded that Immarsat’s mathematics, which produced the two famous arcs defining the search area, was faulty.

(items 33-38) Georesonance, a Geophysical survey company using Nuclear Magnetic Resonance technology from the Soviet Union, claimed that it had located wreckage in the Bay of Bengal.

This is not consistent with the idea that MH370 landed on Diego Garcia, but it should have been investigated. At least, the search team should have approached to the company’s experts to see its data. Georesonance announced in aPress Release of June 30, 2014 that the official search had not done so, despite having wasted Millions on its own false trails.


(items 39-40) The best overall summaries by Tony Gosling, who says the disappearance was orchestrated by the West’s Military Industrial Complex (item 39), and by Aviator, who notes that a 777′s engines, being lower than the fuselage, would make contact with the water first, causing a rapid nose down and cartwheeling. “Wreckage beacon clearly visible and heard. With there being so many items on board that float and transmit” (item 40).

MALDIVES SIGHTINGS Dismissed without Investigation

(3) Maldives sightings discounted by Maldives National Defence Force
http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-maldives-discounted-as-possible-location-for-mh370-20140319-hvkjq.html
Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: Maldives discounted as possible location for MH370

Sydney Morning Herald, March 19, 2014

Eyewitness reports of a possible sighting of missing Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 flying near the Maldives have been officially discounted in a statement issued by theMaldives National Defence Force.

These reports were also confirmed by Malaysia’s Transport Minister, Hishamuddin Hussein.
“Based on the monitoring up to date, no indication of Flight MH370 has been observed on any military radars in the country,” the statement said.
“Furthermore, the data of radars at Maldives airports have also been analysed and shows no indication of the said flight. The Maldives National Defence Force will continue to render any assistance required by the Maldives Police Service and international authorities on the search for the missing flight and related issues.”

Earlier reports had quoted several residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll who saw a low-flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction on the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

The residents said the aircraft had markings similar to the missing Malaysian Airlines plane.

The Maldives news website Minivan News quoted five eyewitnesses who said they saw the aircraft.

“It was about 6:30 in the morning, I heard a loud noise and went out to see what it was,” Adam Saeed, a teacher at Kudahuvadhoo school, told the Maldives news website Minivan News.

“I saw a flight flying very low and it had a red straight line in the middle of it. The flight was travelling north-west to south-east,” he said.

Another islander, who identified himself as Hamzath, told Minivan News that he had also seen a low-flying plane heading from north-west to south-east.
“People started talking about it when they realised that the flight that we saw had the same characteristics as of the missing plane,” Hamzath said.

‘‘We are still not saying it is the same plane, we just wanted to report it just in case.”

Another suggested that the reports had been exaggerated.
“A plane did fly near the island,” said the witness who was not named. “It wasn’t that big, as big as people say.”
“These days, people will be out fishing every morning. Around 30 people would always be there in the morning – but no one talked about it then. If it was that noticeable, loud and big, people would talk.”

When asked about the possibility of a plane of this size landing on an isolated airstrip in the atolls, Maldives National Defence Force spokesman Major Hussain Ali said this was not possible.
“If you are asking are there any landing strips outside of the main commercial airports, the answer is no,” Major Hussain said.

(4) US draft agreement for military presence in Maldives (2013)

US seeks military presence in Maldives | Russia & India Report
US seeks military presence in Maldives

April 26, 2013 M K Bhadrakumar

In a dramatic turn to the Great Game in the Indian Ocean, the United States’ strategies towards the island archipelago of Maldives have come under the scanner.

The intriguing ‘leak’ of a draft Status of Forces Agreement [SOFA] between the United States and the Maldivian government has led to reluctant confirmation by both countries that they are indeed involved in discussion with each other to conclude such an agreement.

The draft agreement “incorporates the principal provisions and necessary authorisations for the temporary presence and activities of United States forces in the Republic of Maldives and, in the specific situations indicated herein, the presence and activities of United States contractors in the Republic of Maldives.”

However, the US embassy in Colombo has maintained that “There are no plans for a permanent military base in Maldives. SOFAs are normal practice wherever the Unites States cooperates closely with a country’s national security forces. SOFAs generally establish the framework under which US personnel operate in a country when supporting security-related activities and the United States is currently party to more than 100 agreements that may be considered a SOFA.”

On the other hand, the draft SOFA is a sweeping document which says, “The Republic of the Maldives authorises United States forces to exercise all rights and authoritieswith Agreed Facilities and Areas that are necessary for their use, operation, defence or control, including the right to undertake new construction works and make alterations and improvements.”

Interestingly, the US recently signed a memorandum of understanding with Maldives, which will lead to the American side providing the border control, system for the island and manage it. Effectively, it puts the US in control of entry points into the island from the outside world.

The Maldives government insists that it is yet to decide on the SOFA. Evidently, the US is pressing hard. Last month, a US aircraft carrier USS John C Stennis visited Maldives.

The draft SOFA envisages that the Maldives would “furnish, without charge” to the US unspecified “Agreed Facilities and Areas”, and “such other facilities and areas in the territory and territorial seas of the Republic of Maldives as may be provided by the Republic of Maldives in the future.”

It specifies: “The Republic of the Maldives authorizes United States forces to exercise all rights and authorities with Agreed Facilities and Areas that are necessary for their use, operation, defense or control, including the right to undertake new construction works and make alterations and improvements.”

It further says, the US would be authorised to “control entry” to areas provided for its “exclusive use,” and would be permitted to operate its own telecommunications system and use the radio spectrum “free of cost to the United States”.
Did Flight MH370 Land at Diego Garcia?

Very cost effective, eh, what, koman?

[Cujo]

Wow! Thats a lot of words to say nothing.

[harrybarracuda]

Well fleshed out?

It's full of speculative bollocks, irrelevant information and your usual fairy stories.

Anorexic is what it is.



Oh, and at least one islander that knows the difference between a seaplane and a Boeing 777 maybe?

Another suggested that the reports had been exaggerated.
“A plane did fly near the island,” said the witness who was not named. “It wasn’t that big, as big as people say.”
“These days, people will be out fishing every morning. Around 30 people would always be there in the morning – but no one talked about it then. If it was that noticeable, loud and big, people would talk.”

Reporters putting words in peoples' mouths again, that's all.

[Latindancer]

The thing is, no DETAIL has been given. I have not heard anyone (in authority, or otherwise) reported as saying, for instance : " Flight 754 from Singapore was flying in at 6.30 am, and had to go around once before it landed. THAT must have been the flight they saw".

[harrybarracuda]

The thing is, no DETAIL has been given. I have not heard anyone (in authority, or otherwise) reported as saying, for instance : " Flight 754 from Singapore was flying in at 6.30 am, and had to go around once before it landed. THAT must have been the flight they saw".

Perhaps the reporters lost interest when they realised there was no story there?

Continuing on, for those that thought there was something suspicious about money being stolen from victims' accounts, no, no-one had their debit cards.

The charges against Nur Shila were for allegedly transferring money, totalling RM40,000, from an account belonging to Malaysian citizen Hue Pui Heng, into the account of a Chinese citizen Tian Jun Wei, and another RM35,000 into an account belonging to Ali Faran Khan. The charges carry a maximum fine of RM150,000 or jail term of 10 years, or both, if convicted.

Nur Shila also faced three counts of using fake documents to apply for a new debit card in Tian's name and to make two applications for local fund transfer from two saving accounts belonging to Chinese national Ju Kun and a flight attendant, Tan Size Hiang.

She was also charged with using a false Internet Banking Service Request Form and using the name of Judy Margaret Lai to obtain a security device to activate the Internet banking service. The charges carry a maximum jail term of two years, or fine, or both, if convicted.

Nur Shila was also charged with two counts of cheating her supervisors, Nor Aini Derus Mat Rose and Mohd Fazli Mokhtar, by making them believe that the applications for the new debit card were made by Tian and Judy personally. The offence carries a maximum jail term of five years, or fine, or both, upon conviction.

She was also charged with two counts of stealing RM2,530 from the accounts belonging to Ju Kun and Tan, an offence that carries a maximum imprisonment of seven years, or fine, or both, if convicted.

Nur Shila also pleaded not guilty to four alternative charges of stealing money belonging to the four victims. The offences were allegedly committed at her workplace at HSBC Bank in Kuala Lumpur between May 14 and Jul 8.

Meanwhile, Basheer Ahmad Maula was charged with four counts of using Tian's debit and ATM cards to withdraw a total of RM7,650 in four transactions. He faced a maximum fine of RM150,000 or jail term of 10 years, or both, if convicted. He also faced four alternative charges for stealing money from the same account. The offences were allegedly committed at a HSBC ATM in Kuala Lumpur’s Ampang district, between 10.02am Malaysian (Singapore) time on May 15 and 11.28pm on Jun 29.

Couple go to court over theft from MH370 victims - Channel NewsAsia

[Ronin]

Perhaps the reporters lost interest when they realised there was no story there?

This is digressing but it is quite amusing what lengths reporters will sometimes go to, for example; I once read an article where a reporter traveled from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur first class and enjoyed eating the first class cuisine. The journey only takes 35 minutes and their is no food service or first class.........

[harrybarracuda]

Yes, I once sat in a box at a premiership football ground watching the chief football writer of a national daily get completely pissed out of his tree without without once venturing out to watch so much as a single minute of the game.

He still managed to write 500 words on it the next day by recording the press conference and rehashing the answers to everyone elses' questions.

[OhOh]

I once read a post on a Thai web site. The writer admitted later that when he wrote the post he was pissed.

Unbelievable

[harrybarracuda]

I once read a post on a Thai web site. The writer admitted later that when he wrote the post he was pissed.

Unbelievable

Were you pissed when you wrote that one?

[OhOh]

Were you pissed when you wrote that one?

Farmers start work early in Thailand, something to do with "Tapping" I believe. Being a Felang I am not allowed to do anything more than shuffling around looking slightly bemused and swearing in English. The whiskey helps me to attain that attitude quicker.

[wasabi]

I reiterate , this aircraft is never going to be found.

[Latindancer]

Why not ? Sorry....I've forgotten what you said originally..

[Ronin]

The next search is due to begin in September I believe.