Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

[Bettyboo]

I don't know, but I suspect we've had enough time for the Americans to take the plane, do what they want, then dump it in the ocean where they want - all with a heavy and confusing smoke screen...

[Ronin]

and so, it turns out, is the Boeing 777, which is equipped with an emergency intervention system that would allow a remote operator to land the aircraft from the ground simply by manipulating the autopilot.

........but not very likely, as for drones and unmanned aircraft they are nothing new.

[baldrick]

^ Why do you keep posting in Red? It's fucking annoying

Just sayin' like.

Comes up yellow on my screen, also annoying but...

Yellow here too - nothing annoying, really. Red would be, though

it was a dark orange originally before it was edited

yet no sub hunter aircraft with passive listening buoys. are sent.

how many aust , seppo and chin subs would you guess are toottling around the area right now ?

very unlikely that any of the countries will tell any one where their subs are

probably are aust orions on exercise looking at the chin subs methods

[jamescollister]

I don't know, but I suspect we've had enough time for the Americans to take the plane, do what they want, then dump it in the ocean where they want - all with a heavy and confusing smoke screen...

Don't buy some preconceived conspiracy, all too, make it up as you go, verses planning.

It will be the simple things that are overlooked, that hold the answers.
Everyone is playing on the same side, US, OZ, UK, Malaysia, India and China , all reading the same script.

That's not normal, something big enough to get all the powers on side, very strange I think. Jim

[ENT]

and so, it turns out, is the Boeing 777, which is equipped with an emergency intervention system that would allow a remote operator to land the aircraft from the ground simply by manipulating the autopilot.

........but not very likely, as for drones and unmanned aircraft they are nothing new.

More likely than not, as it turns out.
Read all the posted articles on the topic, also Boeing's patent on it.

The earliest radio controlled aircraft were way back last century.

[ENT]

Everyone is playing on the same side, US, OZ, UK, Malaysia, India and China , all reading the same script.

That's not normal, something big enough to get all the powers on side, very strange I think. Jim

Agreed.

[baldrick]

something big enough to get all the powers on side

yes - as big as a boeing 777

The earliest radio controlled aircraft were way back last century

if you were to believe some websites , it was back before aircraft were even invented - but after irony of course

[Ronin]

The earliest radio controlled aircraft were way back last century.

Yeah but bit of difference between an aircraft then and a Boeing 777 or many other aircraft flying today.

[Ronin]

I wasn't going to mention this but if anybody wants good clarification on a Boeing 777 and other aircraft then try this guy's site;

http://www.askcaptainlim.com/ (beware connection often slow due high usuage)

Surprise the author is an ex MAS captain who knew Zaharie Shah and did some of his training. Capt Lim although retired still trains other pilots on a different aircraft on which he also has experience.

[Troy]

More likely than not, as it turns out. Read all the posted articles on the topic, also Boeing's patent on it.

Which particular avionics kit is used for this remote control then Ent?

Possible to control remotely yes, as was demonstrated with the NASA B-720 that you linked to but how do you single out one particular aircraft from all the others for remote control? How do you ensure global coverage and what happens if the kit goes down?

[ENT]

More likely than not, as it turns out. Read all the posted articles on the topic, also Boeing's patent on it.

Which particular avionics kit is used for this remote control then Ent?

Possible to control remotely yes, as was demonstrated with the NASA B-720 that you linked to but how do you single out one particular aircraft from all the others for remote control? How do you ensure global coverage and what happens if the kit goes down?

No idea, ask Boeing et al.

[ENT]

...how do you single out one particular aircraft from all the others for remote control?

Probably pretty much as is done now with drones.

[ENT]

Although described as "credible", there's still no positive reading off those pings.


"]The black boxes normally emit a frequency of 37.5 kilohertz, and the signals picked up by the Ocean Shield were both 33.3 kilohertz, U.S. Navy Capt. Mark Matthews said.

Houston said the frequency heard was considered "quite credible" by the manufacturer, and noted that the frequency from the Air France jet that crashed several years ago was 34 kilohertz. The age of the batteries and the water pressure in the deep ocean can affect the transmission level, he said.

The Ocean Shield is dragging a pinger locator at a depth of 3 kilometers (1.9 miles). It is designed to detect signals at a range of 1.8 kilometers (1.12 miles), meaning it would need to be almost on top of the recorders to detect them if they were on the ocean floor, which is about 4.5 kilometers (2.8 miles) deep."
Missing Malaysia flight MH370 latest update: Ship frantically trying to pick up underwater 'pings' again - Emirates 24/7

So, pings were picked up by Ocean Shield at 33.3 khz, not 35.7 khz, the expected pre-set wavelength.

The Chinese picked up pings at 35.7 khz, the expected wavelength, albeit by using a hydrophone.

The Air France" pings" were at 34 khz, due to the age of the batteries and deep water pressure, apparently.

The discrepancy between the Oz and Chinese "ping" readings makes me think that both sets of readings are not valid because;

.. depth of the beacon, length of time underwater, age of batteries at this point in time, shouldn't reduce the signal wavelength from 35.7khz (VLF) down to 33.3 khz (heading towards ELF frequencies) in only three weeks, after the first ping was heard by the Chinese.

So the argument that the 35.7 khz frequency emitted by the black boxes is exclusive to those also fails, as the range is in fact simply somewhere between 33.5 < 35.7 khz, so far.

Almost anything (within reason) underwater could be the source of those pings.

[koman]

Almost anything (within reason) underwater could be the source of those pings

There are many pings in the oceans.....but when you hear pings in an area where you are specifically listening for pings, that would be cause for some comment... yes?

There is nothing other than some hope that maybe the pings could be coming from a black box laying around somewhere on the bottom......just hope, nothing more.

It may be a long shot, but it appears to be the only shot available at the moment...unless the Russians are right and everybody is enjoying the hospitality of the Taliban up there on the Afghan/Paki border...while they prepare to fly and crash the 777 into Disneyland, or some other infidel target of major importance.

[baldrick]

The discrepancy between the Oz and Chinese "ping" readings makes me think that both sets of readings are not valid

well ENT , I would rather trust the opinion of

US marine scientist David Mearns was involved in the search for the Air France flight that went missing in 2009

who says

he is feeling positive about the signals detected by Ocean Shield, but is less confident about the signals identified by Haixun 01.

because

"The Chinese literally are two guys in a rubber boat. I don't want to be unkind, but basically in a rubber boat using ear buds, one sharing one and one sharing the other,"

and

An Australian search vessel has picked up two more signals from what could be the black box from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.
The man in charge of the search, retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, said the Ocean Shield picked up the traces on Tuesday afternoon and late on Tuesday night Perth time.
He said he now believed the search was closing in on the area of MH370's "final resting place".
"Hopefully with lots of transmissions we'll have a tight, small area and hopefully in a matter of days we will be able to find something on the bottom that might confirm that this is the last resting place of MH370," he said.

[ENT]

Understandable.

David Mearns is an authority on B/Box recovery, and I can't refute his statement, which includes his view that the Chinese "ping" recordings are a bit dodgy, as I pointed out also, especially re. their use of a hydrophone off the side of a rubber boat to pick up B/Box signals.

Hi-tec?

[ENT]

There are many pings in the oceans.....but when you hear pings in an area where you are specifically listening for pings, that would be cause for some comment...

......just hope, nothing more.

It may be a long shot, but it appears to be the only shot available at the moment...

unless the Russians are right and everybody is enjoying the hospitality of the Taliban up there on the Afghan/Paki border...while they prepare to fly and crash the 777 into Disneyland, or some other infidel target of major importance.

Yup, it's the only shot available, so far.

Maybe the Russian and Diego Garcia stories are worth checking out.

The deafening silence from USA re. any kind of observation in the Indian Ocean is the "elephant in the room" in this one.

[ENT]

Another anomaly that I can't explain;

Initially, family members tried calling the cell phones of MH 370 passengers and the phones just rang, no reply, so obviously no one was able to answer, and the phones were still receiving signals, and were obviously not underwater or destroyed in those first 24 hours after MH 370 was first reported missing..

When the batteries run out or something else cuts reception to the phone, the caller is re-directed to voicemail, which apparently has not occurred.

[ENT]

Malaysian Airlines Flight MH 370 vs. The 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami: The Role of the Diego Garcia Military and Intelligence Base?

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, March 31, 2014

Malaysia_Airlines
The MH 370 Boeing 777 had advanced “emergency locator equipment” which was emitting signals, which should have facilitated its location. It was subsequently established that the MH 370 flight had gone Southbound towards the Indian Ocean.

Located in the Indian Ocean, the US Diego Garcia military and intelligence base –described by defense observers as the “best-kept secret in the navy”– has a gamut of advanced observation and detection equipment which should have facilitated the search of the Malaysian airlines plane.

But instead,.....
the US military preferred to remain mum on the subject, as outlined by a carefully documented article by Matthias Chang.

According to Reuters (28th March, 2014, quoted by Matthias Chang):

Ultimately, the only country with the technical resources to recover the plane – or at least its black box recorder, which could lie in water several miles deep – may be the United States. Its deep-sea vehicles ultimately hauled up the wreckage of Air France 447 after its 2009 crash into a remote region of the South Atlantic.

The US has a state of the art spy satellite system, with very precise capabilities of monitoring the earth’s surface, including moving objects. These technologies are part of the United States Space Surveillance Network.

The Diego Garcia base “is one of only a handful of locations equipped with a Ground-based Electro-Optical Deep Space Surveillance system for tracking objects in deep space”.

Given the levels of sophistication of these observation technologies, it is highly unlikely that the MH370 flight could have travelled unnoticed over a large span of the Indian Ocean.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/malaysi...e-base/5376111

[Necron99]

Top Ten Kook Wishlist.

1. They find the jet largely intact but it's empty.
2. They find the jet largely intact but none of the bodies are in their assigned seats.
3. They find the wreckage of a 777 but it IS NOT MH370.
4. They find the blackbox but it has been erased/damaged beyond repair


Add your own.



PS Ent, the phone issue was explained by the Telcos weeks ago,

[Cujo]

Another anomaly that I can't explain;

Initially, family members tried calling the cell phones of MH 370 passengers and the phones just rang, no reply, so obviously no one was able to answer, and the phones were still receiving signals, and were obviously not underwater or destroyed in those first 24 hours after MH 370 was first reported missing..

When the batteries run out or something else cuts reception to the phone, the caller is re-directed to voicemail, which apparently has not occurred.

That's been well debunked and explained early on.
The phones weren't ringing through at all.
Even if the plane hadn't crashed you still can't call an airliner in flight over the sea, they're out of range of cell towers.

[Bobcock]

Initially, family members tried calling the cell phones of MH 370 passengers and the phones just rang, no reply, so obviously no one was able to answer, and the phones were still receiving signals, and were obviously not underwater or destroyed in those first 24 hours after MH 370 was first reported missing..

When the batteries run out or something else cuts reception to the phone, the caller is re-directed to voicemail, which apparently has not occurred.

I just phoned my wife knowing she was on a plane.

It rang on and on.....

[jamescollister]

Go back to the last ACARS signal, no real proof the plane turned, after that it's all guess work.
Possible radar of unknown plane, possible Doppler shift, possible wreckage, possible pings.
Nothing proven after last contact and IADS has a plan for for dealing with a 9/11 type of incidents, they put i in place years ago.
Plane could have flown anywhere, but not the Southern Indian ocean, not enough fuel.
Everyone is being fed a story, with no facts, plane could have been shot down, taken by aliens, gone through a wormhole, or the guy with the coconuts put a vanishing spell on it.
Betting I will never no the truth in my life time. Jim

[Ronin]

^ Then why would they be spending so much time and money searching the Indian Ocean? By the way who says the plane didn't have enough fuel? The plane had enough to reach Bejing and was 5 hours away when it disappeared off radar.

[ENT]

The plane could have had up to 7-8 hours of fuel after leaving Malaysia, enough to travel to Africa.