Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

[jamescollister]

How did it get from this, to Thai radar confirms course change.
15 March.

"Our most updated information in the radar system was in Hat Yai where the air force detected MH370 flying out of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. That was the first and last time we detected MH370," air force spokesman AM Monthon Sutchukorn was quoted by Bangkok Post as saying.

If a plane enters Thai airspace with no prior notification and authorization, the air force will be alerted by air traffic controllers of Aeronautical Radio of Thailand, Monthon said.

The air force also has its own radar system to detect planes that enter Thailand with no permission requested, he added.

[harrybarracuda]

I found an Austrian news agency that reported on March 24th "Flight MH370: Plane Found, No Survivors". Malaysia - Flug MH370: Hier stürzte die Boeing ab

Where exactly does it say that?

[Norton]

Where exactly does it say that?

Nowhere. Just quotes what Najib said.

Courtesy of Google translate.

"The for more than two weeks missing machine of Malaysia Airlines as flight MH370 is plunged into the southern Indian Ocean. The Prime Minister Najib Razak of Malaysia confirmed on Monday (15.00 clock CET) at a press conference. "With great sadness and regret that I must inform you that flight MH370 ended after this new information in the southern Indian Ocean," Razak said. The airline had the relatives of the 239 people on board informed beforehand that it no longer expects survivors. The Prime Minister did not use the word crash itself. He made clear, however, that there was no hope for the people on board. "For the members of the last few weeks have been heartbreaking," Najib said. "I know that this message is even harder. I ask the media urgently to respect their privacy."

[Norton]

A Chinese patrol ship has discovered Saturday a pulse signal with a frequency of 37.5 kHz in the southern Indian Ocean, state news agency Xinhua reported.

Report: Chinese ship hears pulse signal in south Indian Ocean - CNN.com

Unverified but reported on Xinhua.

[Rainfall]

Where exactly does it say that?

Nowhere. Just quotes what Najib said.

Courtesy of Google translate.

"The for more than two weeks missing machine of Malaysia Airlines as flight MH370 is plunged into the southern Indian Ocean. The Prime Minister Najib Razak of Malaysia confirmed on Monday (15.00 clock CET) at a press conference. "With great sadness and regret that I must inform you that flight MH370 ended after this new information in the southern Indian Ocean," Razak said. The airline had the relatives of the 239 people on board informed beforehand that it no longer expects survivors. The Prime Minister did not use the word crash itself. He made clear, however, that there was no hope for the people on board. "For the members of the last few weeks have been heartbreaking," Najib said. "I know that this message is even harder. I ask the media urgently to respect their privacy."

Sorry you guys are a little thick. There is a fat headline at the top.

Flug MF370: Boeing gefunden, keine Ueberlebenden

[Ronin]

Ping detected but expert sceptical;


The signal discovered is reportedly being emitted on the same frequency as that used by black-box equipment.

1:32pm UK, Saturday 05 April 2014



A patrol ship searching for the missing Malaysian passenger jet has detected a pulse signal in the Indian Ocean, Chinese state media is reporting. Xinhua news agency says the signal discovered by Chinese vessel Haixun 01 has a frequency of 37.5kHz per second - the same as that emitted by black-box devices. A Chinese air force plane has also spotted a number of white floating objects in the search area, according to Xinhua. Malaysian government sources have confirmed to Sky News that a vessel has detected a signal, but that its origin remains unknown.
The suspected location of the black box Sky News understands the Malaysians were informed of the development by the Chinese government a few hours before the news emerged.
Australian defence minister David Johnston said he was optimistic about the development but added: "There have been many false leads and we should treat this news with caution."
Even if the signal is from the black box, Mr Johnston said, it could take weeks to recover it.
The apparent signal was detected approximately 1,000 miles (1.6 kilometres) northwest of Perth 10 hours after news channels in China reported that the three Chinese vessels looking for MH370 had relocated to a new search area north of that designated by Australian authorities.
Radar expert Professor David Stupples told Sky News: "If there has been a signal received, it could be the black box or it could be something extraneous.
"I don't know anything (else) that puts out the 37.5kHz signal."
Prof Stupples said he would remain "sceptical" until further evidence emerged.
He added: "My worry is the range. If this is in 2,000-3,000 metres of water, the range of the pinger is one to two kilometres (1,000 to 2,000 metres) at best.
"My recommendation would be to move the ships with the pinger locators very much closer to this, first of all to confirm this is the signal, and then two or three ships around it to do triangulation to fix the location."
Search teams are facing a race against time to find the black box, which a month after the plane went missing is likely to be running out of battery.
It comes after Malaysia's transport minister denied "extraordinary" claims the country was complicit in the disappearance of flight MH370.
In an interview with Sky News on Friday, Mayalsia's main opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim said the investigation had been "clearly suspect" and alleged "complicity by authorities on the ground".
HMS Tireless submarine has arrived in the search area But speaking at a news conference, acting transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein said: "Let me touch on some unfounded allegations made against Malaysia.
"These allegations include the extraordinary assertion that Malaysian authorities were somehow complicit in what happened to MH370.
"I would like to state for the record that these allegations are completely untrue.
"As I've said before, the search for MH370 should be above politics, and so I call on all Malaysians to unite, to stand by our armed forces as they work in difficult conditions thousands of miles from home, and to support all those who are working tirelessly in the search for MH370."
It was also revealed at the news conference that British nuclear submarine HMS Tireless had entered the search area.
The vessel was expected to play a crucial role in the quest to find the plane's black box, which could hold the key to solving the mystery of what happened.
"I spoke via telephone to the British Secretary of State for Defence, Philip Hammond, regarding the nuclear submarine HMS Tireless," said Mr Hussein.
"I hereby confirm the submarine is now in the search area and helping in the search operation."
Up to 10 military planes, three civilian jets and 11 ships have been scouring more than 1,000 square miles of sea off the west coast of Australia.

Missing Plane: Ship Detects Signal In Ocean

http://news.sky.com/

[jamescollister]

1800 Km NW of Perth, moving north fast, at this rate will cross the equator in a week or so..
Headline gabbing stories, not much else.

[pickel]

1800 Km NW of Perth, moving north fast, at this rate will cross the equator in a week or so..

Unless it is on the ocean floor.

[ENT]

There's a Russian report that the plane, with a broken wing after a hard landing, is parked on a rural road near Kandahar, all passengers are alive.

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Russian Media: MH370 In Pakistan
Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:13

While a variety of countries are still searching for Malaysia Flight 370 that disappeared on March 8, 2014, with 239 people on board, many have come to believe an alleged photo sent from one of the passengers originated from a location close to the US military base Diego Garcia, but according to a Russian media outlet, MKRU , the plane actually landed in a Taliban controlled area at the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.

MKRU is listed as a Russian language newspaper published in Russia .

This was published on March 31, 2014 and the page has been translated from Russian to English, so the quoted portion is not grammatically correct:



“Missing March 8 on Malaysia Airlines airliner with 227 passengers on board and 12th members of the crew captured and is southeast of Kandahar, in Afghanistan, near the border with Pakistan. Aircraft stands on a small” rural “road with a broken wing – t . liner is alleged to have committed a hard landing. All passengers alive, divided into seven groups and live in a “mud hut” from hand to mouth. From the aircraft were captured about 20 Asian Professionals, the capture of which was necessary, presumably, the American side. Ie this hijacking – someone’s order. ” All this correspondent “MK” on condition of anonymity said a source in the security services."




(Near Chaman. To the south-east of Kandahar. Reader “Oleg” April 2, 2014 at 12:05 in the comments on the site “MK” posted a link to an object like a plane with a broken wing, standing on the border with Pakistan.)

This theory also matches a report by The Independent dated March 16, 2014, which highlighted the question “Did jetliner fly into area controlled by Taliban?”

This comes on the heels of Retired Lt. General Thomas McInerney telling Sean Hannity that the missing plane was in Pakistan, an assertion he stood by just days after saying it.
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-...n-2461386.html

[ENT]

Black box batteries on MH370 due for replacement in June, says MAS CEO
Malaysia Airlines has clarified that the black box on its missing flight MH370 was not due for maintenance until June this year. The group's chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya told a press conference at the Putra World Trade Centre today that the flight recorder was only due to be serviced in June. Earlier today, CNN had reported...

Airlines has clarified that the black box on its missing flight MH370 was not due for maintenance until June this year.
The group's chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya told a press conference at the Putra World Trade Centre today that the flight recorder was only due to be serviced in June.

Earlier today, CNN had reported that the two black boxes on MH370 had never been returned to their manufacturers.

According to CNN, the two black boxes had been due for overhaul and battery replacements in 2012.Denying this claim, Ahmad Jauhari said that the batteries in the black box were only due for replacement in June.

CNN had reported that MAS had not responded to the network's query about the compliance of the pingers on MH370.

The battery life of the pinger would have dropped from the required 30 days to 20 or 25 days if the original battery had been used in the black boxes, CNN reported.

Meanwhile, acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein dismissed unfounded allegations made against Malaysia.

"These allegations include the extraordinary assertion that Malaysian authorities were somehow complicit in what happened to MH370," he told reporters.

"I should like to state, for the record, that these allegations are completely untrue." – April 5, 2014.
Black box batteries on MH370 due for replacement in June, says MAS CEO - MSN Malaysia News

[jamescollister]

The madcap theories are coming thick and fast now.
Landed in Pakestan?
Hijacking?
Kidnapping?

Some of the strangest theories coming from governments, like planes S/W of Perth.

CNN.


How far could it have gone?
Flight 370 was fueled for a trip to Beijing. Based on fuel estimates, the aircraft could have flown an additional 2,500 miles after the point of last contact.
Malaysian authorities said March 13 they believe several "pings" of data from the airliner's service data system, known as ACARS, transmitted to satellites in the four to five hours after the last transponder signal, a senior U.S. official told CNN.
This information, combined with known radar data and knowledge of fuel range leads officials to believe the plane may have made it to the Indian Ocean

[Gerbil]

The madcap theories are coming thick and fast now.

indeed.....




which of course was followed the next week by:

[Sailing into trouble]

If the Chinese have indeed located the black box I wonder how they found it so quick? The site is well outside the search area. Still hold that the super powers know far more than they are admitting.

Still an outside chance that the Americans on Garcia took it as another 9/11 attack and dispatched it! I really do think this mystery is not a mystery to everyone.

[ENT]

I'm inclned to agree.

There's a lot of stuff going on under the surface.

[Sailing into trouble]

I'm inclned to agree.

There's a lot of stuff going on under the surface.

Ya deep under the surface. It would not be the first time the Americans shot down a civilian jet. Surveillance is much too tight that the major players do not know what happened.

[Ronin]

If the Chinese have indeed located the black box I wonder how they found it so quick? The site is well outside the search area. Still hold that the super powers know far more than they are admitting.

Still an outside chance that the Americans on Garcia took it as another 9/11 attack and dispatched it! I really do think this mystery is not a mystery to everyone.

Be no surprise but then is there a politician or government anybody can trust?

[Ronin]

Ya deep under the surface. It would not be the first time the Americans shot down a civilian jet. Surveillance is much too tight that the major players do not know what happened.

Again be no surprise the yanks seem to be very good at killing people even when they are on their side.

[Latindancer]

is there a politician or government anybody can trust?

Er....Bhutan ?

[Ronin]

Maybe they do know more than they are letting on as some of you say;

MH370 Tragedy (Exclusive): Cops trawl through CCTV recordings for clues.
KUALA LUMPUR: Criminal investigators looking into the possibility of foul play by those on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may have found some leads to narrow down their probe in that direction.

They had, over the last few weeks, sifted through hundreds of closed-circuit television footage, not only from cameras in most corners of the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) from which the Boeing 777-22ER twinjet took off, but mined those taken at a toll plaza 8.8km away, where most passengers would have passed to reach the airport.
Also mined were videos taken from the stretch of road leading to KLIA.
The New Sunday Times was made to understand by sources that all those who boarded the plane had their movements recorded by CCTVs right up to the time they showed up at gate C1, in the West Zone of the airport's Satellite Building, where the plane was supposed to take off at 12.35am. It eventually took off at 12.41am.
The team carrying out this probe is separate from the International Investigating Team (IIT), which comprises agencies with expertise in satellite communications and aircraft performance.
Also roped in the IIT are the United Kingdom's Inmarsat, Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB), and Rolls-Royce, China's Civil Aviation Administration and Aircraft Accident Investigation Department (AAID) as well as the United States' National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), Federal Bureau of Investigation and Boeing.
The IIT has among others been working to analyse data, including those obtained from radar and satellites, in narrowing the search area, which has since been centred in the Indian Ocean.
Police on Wednesday said they had "obtained some clues" on what might have happened to the flight, based on the statements recorded from more than 170 people. This number is climbing.
It was the same day that they cleared all 227 passengers of the flight. They, however, did not give the same clearance to the aircraft's crew.
Their probe had focused on four possible areas: hijack, sabotage personal problems and psychological problems.
Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar had said police were looking at the crew of the flight, as the main "subjects of investigations".
Those they had interviewed included the passengers' family members as well as the crew's, including those of pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, and co-pilot Fariq Abul Rahman, 27.
While some details of the IIT's investigations had been released to appease family and media demand for information, the police said they would not divulge anything from their ongoing probe for fear that it could jeopardise their investigations.
"What is of paramount importance here is about getting to the bottom of this all.
"The police wouldn't, at any cost, risk this by making public at this point any findings that they had come to," sources said.
They are investigating the case under Section 130 (C) of the Penal Code, which deals with hijacking, terrorism and sabotage offences as well as the Security Offences (Special Measures) Act and Aviation Offences Act.
Among visuals extracted from the CCTV recordings were that of a senior crew member who had a cigarette before the six-hour flight to Beijing.
This visual was taken from the only available smoking area of the airport, located in its Satellite Building's East Zone.
After checking in, some two hours before the flight, many of those on board the plane had at some point made contact through their phones. Some of the passengers took the opportunity to shop for souvenirs.
Among those traced through the recordings were the two Iranians who went on board using assumed identities.
The duo, identified later as Pouria Nourmohammadi Mehrad, 19, and Seyed Mohammed Reza Delavar, 29, were described by Interpol as migrants being smuggled into Europe.
Investigators combing the recordings, first spotted them at the toll plaza in separate vehicles.
"One was in a taxi while the other was sent by a friend in a Proton Satria ... the vehicles stopped near each other and they walked in the same direction separately.
"They were trying hard to appear as if they didn't know each other at the airport.
"It was only much later that they pretended to bump into each other and shook hands, but after that they again kept a distance from each other, they were very calm throughout.
"Their hands were glued to their phones, texting non-stop ... it appeared as though they were taking instructions from someone. However, based on intelligence gathered, there was nothing suspicious that could link them to the plane going missing," the sources said.
Last month, information technology student Mohammad Mallaeibasir, 18, said the two had stayed in his apartment, here, the night before they left.
Mehrdad was his friend from high school in Teheran.
The recordings also traced the 19 Chinese artists and calligraphers, the second largest group that were travelling together on MH370.
After a visit to the the city centre in the scorching heat that Friday, they arrived at the airport much earlier before they checked-in.
As the group of artists reached the boarding gate, the head of their delegation, Hou Bo, received a call from their Malaysian host asking how they were doing. Bo told Daniel Liau: "Everybody is OK".
It is also learnt that Fariq and chief stewardess Goh Sock Lay, 45, both communicated via messenger application WhatsApp about 11.30pm. This was the last exchange they made through the application.


Read more: MH370 Tragedy (Exclusive): Cops trawl through CCTV recordings for clues - General - New Straits Times

[jamescollister]

I'm inclned to agree.

There's a lot of stuff going on under the surface.

Ya deep under the surface. It would not be the first time the Americans shot down a civilian jet. Surveillance is much too tight that the major players do not know what happened.

Send everyone looking, to a place at the end of the world, while you clean up a mess some where else.
May not just be yanks, but the coalition of the good, no ones talking.
Slight of hand, planes gone, start the tinfoil hats going, soon facts get lost in a sea of misinformation.

Worst thing is, the so called free press aren't asking questions. Jim

[leemo]

If the Chinese have indeed located the black box I wonder how they found it so quick? The site is well outside the search area. Still hold that the super powers know far more than they are admitting.

Still an outside chance that the Americans on Garcia took it as another 9/11 attack and dispatched it! I really do think this mystery is not a mystery to everyone.

I agree there must be many that know through direct involvement, more through logistical support, and more still from the outcome of an operation which was very clearly planned.

If I were a US commander on a remote island, and a commercial airliner was so far off its route having maneuvered to hide itself and avoid detection whilst heading for my little speck in the ocean, I think I would off it well before it came close enough to make a dash for me.

Anyway, such a scenario is ludicrous since it implies the hand of Islam, but as we know such forms of terrorism would never occur to peacelovers, especially not the rational, balanced and impartial, upstanding, well informed and honest ones at TD.

[Rural Surin]

The madcap theories are coming thick and fast now.

Well, sure....
Since absolutely no one knows fuck-all, the mystery thickens.

Any bizarre theories are just as legitimate as the [official] lucid ones.

This story [event] reflects the ever popular moment:
Everything You know Is Wrong.

[ENT]

Three "pings" so far reported......nothing verified.

The black boxes aren't the only man made electronic signalling devices broadcasting at 35- 37.5 khz.
That wavelength is used by a variety of maritime concerns, so the pings heard could have come from any underwater craft using 35 + khz.

The two arcs given by INMARSAT as "last possible locations" of MH 370 is a very suspicious piece of misinformation, as the first arc published only gives last known position after MH 370 was lost from Malaysian radar.

Why weren't arcs drawn for positions after successive "handshakes" were made over 8 hours? Surely there should be a succession of arcs drawn, some overlapping each other as the plane changed course over the next few hours. Moving either eastwards away from the satellite or westward towards it, either along the northern flight path indicated by INMARSAT or the southern one, at each "handshake" an arc should have been drawn.

[melvin]

Three "pings" so far reported......nothing verified.



The two arcs given by INMARSAT as "last possible locations" of MH 370 is a very suspicious piece of misinformation, as the first arc published only gives last known position after MH 370 was lost from Malaysian radar.

Why weren't arcs drawn for positions after successive "handshakes" were made over 8 hours? Surely there should be a succession of arcs drawn, some overlapping each other as the plane changed course over the next few hours. Moving either eastwards away from the satellite or westward towards it, either along the northern flight path indicated by INMARSAT or the southern one, at each "handshake" an arc should have been drawn.

I think I share your sceptical views re the above

problem is, what did actually Inmarsat do and what is reported in the media?
who knows?

another thing I don't quite understand is this bit about the Doppler shift,
if the SAT and the SAT guys actually observed the Doppler shift, and did
calculations on it then there should be no doubt about whether the plane
flew south or north

after all, Doppler shifts/SAT have been used for years in the maritime sector
to calculate rough positions of emergency beacons

either south or north just doesn't make sense to me

but again, what went on re pings in reality and what did media report??

[Ronin]

The madcap theories are coming thick and fast now.

They have been coming in for some time before now. Well here's one other that will probably get me ridiculed off the board but I wonder if this could have been some kind of cyber attack? We might be seeing a new kind of terrorism but then I don't really know.