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Old 16-10-2016, 09:12 AM   #3451 (permalink)
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Partial hypoxia?....No such thing.

It ranges from mild, a few seconds of O2 deprivation resulting in euphoria, confusion, incompetence and slow movement, to severe, where unconsciousness sets in then death.

You'd undergo more than hypoxia in space, you'd dehydrate pretty instantly into a fluffy blob.

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It is certainly not beyond the realm of possibilities, and far, far less looney than some of your suggestions.

What interests me is "the puzzling power down and subsequent restoration of communication at 2.25am that no one has yet been able to explain" which the article reminds us about.

What kind of scenario might that fit into ?

No....I'm not asking you, ENT. The question is put to anyone else reading this.
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It is certainly not beyond the realm of possibilities, and far, far less looney than some of your suggestions.

What interests me is "the puzzling power down and subsequent restoration of communication at 2.25am that no one has yet been able to explain" which the article reminds us about.

What kind of scenario might that fit into ?

No....I'm not asking you, ENT. The question is put to anyone else reading this.
The theory is totally beyond reality, mumbskull, and definitely looney, as you suggest.
All my suggestions so far have been perfectly reasonable, and born out to be so by further news releases.

The power down and communications restore is again explained by the fact that a competent pilot was aboard MH370, alive and well, operating the plane until the end, as evinced by the 'soft' landing approach proven by the state of the manually operated lowering of the port flaperon.
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beyond reality, mumbskull, and definitely looney
I just love the way these projections pop out of ENT's unconscious.


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Partial hypoxia?....No such thing.

It ranges from mild, a few seconds of O2 deprivation resulting in euphoria, confusion, incompetence and slow movement, to severe, where unconsciousness sets in then death.
Try going up Everest, into the "death zone". Your brain will become even more debilitated than it currently is. People report others making very poor decisions and continuing doing so for hours.
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Having lived in the Himalayas, I can assure you that oxygen starvation's effects start at fairly low altitudes, around 12,000 ft. Even at 7,000 ft or so, breathing becomes difficult for visitors from the lowlands, and energy levels drop. This condition is often termed altitude sickness.

Sherpas are used to rarified atmosphere, as they're genetically adapted to carrying large loads, as high-altitude living increases red-blood-cell concentrations, allowing muscles more oxygen, so increasing stamina.

All that simply proves your idea that partial brain hypoxia experienced at 30,000 ft up to 45,000 ft as supposedly experienced by all aboard MH370 is impossible.

Even mild brain hypoxia would leave all aboard pretty much non compos mentis.

As you say, above;
" People report others making very poor decisions and continuing doing so for hours."

So how does your theory of "partial brain hypoxia" fit that fact?
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Look at the article and read the book that it is about. Email the author, FFS.
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Chinese chips were waiting for the next generation of chips produced by Raytheon, 20 plus of who's researchers travelled on MH370 when it mysteriously disappeared.
Raytheon is a company which mainly manufactures military weapons so it is a nice ingredient in a conspiracy theory.

There is only one problem here...

The 20 engineers on the missing MH370 were employed by Renesas (a merger of Hitachis and Mitsubishis semiconductor businesses) who is not a weapon manufacturer.

Boring innit?
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Chinese chips were waiting for the next generation of chips produced by Raytheon, 20 plus of who's researchers travelled on MH370 when it mysteriously disappeared.
Raytheon is a company which mainly manufactures military weapons so it is a nice ingredient in a conspiracy theory.

There is only one problem here...

The 20 engineers on the missing MH370 were employed by Renesas (a merger of Hitachis and Mitsubishis semiconductor businesses) who is not a weapon manufacturer.

Boring innit?
Yes, but if you use facts, there's no conspiracy theory is there?
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Yes, but if you use facts, there's no conspiracy theory is there?
Do you have any proof of your assertion as some believe the people who died and had a majority share of the particular patent, worked for a company called Freescale.

"On March 8, 2014, Freescale announced that 20 of its employees were passengers aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. That plane, carrying the Freescale employees, was lost,[19] with only small part of it found over a year later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freesc...ductor#History

Four days after the flight MH370 disappear, semiconductor patent was approved by the U.S. patent office patent is divided in parts of 20% between five starters. One of the owners is the company itself, Freescale Semiconductor, Austin, Texas (USA), and the other four Chinese employees of the company: Peidong Wang, Zhijun Chen, Cheng and Li Ying Zhijong, all the Suzhou City.

Freescale filed to go public on February 11, 2011 and completed its IPO on May 26, 2011. Freescale is traded on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker symbol FSL. At the time of the IPO, the company had $7.6 billion in outstanding debt on its books,[28] and the company is being investigated for misconduct related to this IPO.[29]


But then as we know anybody can edit any website and "modify" it's contents.


If only the facts, as presented and supported with no evidence by harry, were true.



http://www.nxp.com/files/soft_dev_to...n&fileExt=.pdf

A glimpse at just one of Freescale's product line-up:

Figure 1.
CodeWarrior TAP probe
1.1.1
Product highlights
This section lists the CodeWarrior TAP probe features.
The CodeWarrior TAP probe has these features:
• Supports the Power Architecture, StarCore, and ColdFire

processors. Go to the
http://freescale.com/CWTAP
for the
latest supported Freescale processors
• Supports all CPU core speeds
• Allows you to control and debug software running in-target, with minimal intrusion into the target system operation
• Allows you to debug code in cache, ROM, RAM, and flash memory
• Supports 10/100 Ethernet network connection
Supports telnet access to your target systems serial port, allowing you to interact with your target system's serial port
over the network
• Supports USB 2.0 high-speed connection
• USB powered
• Supports both big and little endian byte-order
• Software debug capabilities, usually part of host software like CodeWarrior, include:
• Control instruction execution

Diplay and modify target system memorys• Examine and modify any processor registers
• Run to breakpoints in ROM, RAM, or flash memory
• Single-step through source and assembly language code views
• Step into, over, or out of functions
Collect and analyze real-time data
• Perform boundary scan testing with support from correct host-level software
• Program all onboard memories with support from correct host-level software


• Run to breakpoints in ROM, RAM, or flash memory
• Single-step through source and assembly language code views
• Step into, over, or out of functions
• Collect and analyze real-time data
• Perform boundary scan testing with support from correct host-level software
• Program all onboard memories with support from correct host-level softw
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In the theory in post 3444 there is no mention of the rest of the crew on that flight, would not at least one of them have realised immediately what was happening and grabbed for an oxygen mask. Air crew must be trained in what would happen in a sudden decompression situation.

It would have only needed one of the crew to be in a lucid state and to make their way to the cockpit and get oxygen to the captain and, or, No1.
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"On March 8, 2014, Freescale announced that 20 of its employees were passengers aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. That plane, carrying the Freescale employees, was lost,[19] with only small part of it found over a year later.
Sorry I mixed up the companies but that is very easy to do since both of them are the same type of company and with the same market and products.
Quite different from Raytheon.


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Four days after the flight MH370 disappear, semiconductor patent was approved by the U.S. patent office patent is divided in parts of 20% between five starters. One of the owners is the company itself, Freescale Semiconductor, Austin, Texas (USA), and the other four Chinese employees of the company: Peidong Wang, Zhijun Chen, Cheng and Li Ying Zhijong, all the Suzhou City.
You could start with checking if any of those names are on the passenger list of MH370..


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A glimpse at just one of Freescale's product line-up: Figure 1. CodeWarrior TAP probe
I'm sure you don't understand what you have quoted.
Codewarrior is a complete software development package and the section you quoted describes the on-chip hardware to assist in software debugging.
All mfgrs of cpu's has such packages and such on-chip hardware support.
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In the theory in post 3444 there is no mention of the rest of the crew on that flight, would not at least one of them have realised immediately what was happening and grabbed for an oxygen mask. Air crew must be trained in what would happen in a sudden decompression situation.

It would have only needed one of the crew to be in a lucid state and to make their way to the cockpit and get oxygen to the captain and, or, No1.
The passengers and crew were all in the same environment, all breathing the same air.

When the oxygen ran out, it ran out for all concerned, at about the same speed.

If one of the crew were (miraculously) still in a lucid state, abandoning their potential life-saver, the fixed point oxygen mask, to run (or walk, or crawl) their way onto the flight deck would ensure rapid brain hypoxia long before that person could rescue anybody, resulting in firstly euphoria, secondly confusion, thirdly a rapid loss of energy and slow, very slow, physical responses to anything.

Attempting anything as complex as trying to rescue anyone else while rapidly becoming increasingly incapable mentally and physically is an impossibility, except in movies.
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There is a YouTube channel called Smarter Every Day. It worth trolling around to see some of the explanations he has for various science experiments.

One of his recent videos was about the effects of Hypoxia. One of the interesting comments in the video description is “There are parts of this video that I don't remember making.”


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In the theory in post 3444 there is no mention of the rest of the crew on that flight, would not at least one of them have realised immediately what was happening and grabbed for an oxygen mask. Air crew must be trained in what would happen in a sudden decompression situation.

It would have only needed one of the crew to be in a lucid state and to make their way to the cockpit and get oxygen to the captain and, or, No1.
The passengers and crew were all in the same environment, all breathing the same air.

When the oxygen ran out, it ran out for all concerned, at about the same speed.

If one of the crew were (miraculously) still in a lucid state, abandoning their potential life-saver, the fixed point oxygen mask, to run (or walk, or crawl) their way onto the flight deck would ensure rapid brain hypoxia long before that person could rescue anybody, resulting in firstly euphoria, secondly confusion, thirdly a rapid loss of energy and slow, very slow, physical responses to anything.

Attempting anything as complex as trying to rescue anyone else while rapidly becoming increasingly incapable mentally and physically is an impossibility, except in movies.
Not convincing sorry.

You possibly missed the bit about "immediately" that is immediately after the, in theory' decompression when the oxygen masks would have dropped down.

There would have been a trail of oxygen masks dangling down all through the length of the plane anyone moving along could grab one have a few breaths and move on unless all the seats were full and all the passengers had put them on.

Sorry I missed the bit about when the oxygen ran out, didnt see how long it took.
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The Freescale fairy tale is all bollocks.



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Freescale says the employees onboard were technical staff travelling to the company's chip facilities for a review. A patent frequently cited by the conspiracy theorists does exist. But rather than being military in nature, it covers a system for optimising the number of circuits on a piece of semi-conductor material. And none of the four people mentioned as being the patent holder were on the plane.
Malaysia Airlines MH370: The persistence of conspiracy theories - BBC News
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Attempting anything as complex as trying to rescue anyone else while rapidly becoming increasingly incapable mentally and physically is an impossibility, except in movies.
Not convincing sorry.

You possibly missed the bit about "immediately" that is immediately after the, in theory' decompression when the oxygen masks would have dropped down.

There would have been a trail of oxygen masks dangling down all through the length of the plane anyone moving along could grab one have a few breaths and move on unless all the seats were full and all the passengers had put them on.

Sorry I missed the bit about when the oxygen ran out, didnt see how long it took.
The maximum period of useful time as hypoxia sets in after depressurization, in MH370's case, at 45,000 ft, would have been less than 3 minutes. In fact, after around 2 minutes without O2, all passengers and attendants would be at least, confused.

In fact, all aboard would initially have been scared stiff as the plane suddenly ascended rapidly from 30,000 ft or so to 45,000 ft, all would be thinking of survival, how to put that mask on, not rescue, as they'd assume the pilot was in control.

About 15-30 seconds fixing masks in place, at least. Then there'd be around 15 minutes of O2 available, and no-one in their right mind would attempt to remove their life-line of O2 on the off chance that they could rescue a woozy pilot.

After that, if the plane had not dropped to a safer level and re-pressurized with O2, hypoxia would quickly occur and death would result in 30 seconds onwards.

The scenario you envisage of someone somehow 'knowing' that the pilot needed rescuing, (How?) removes their O2 mask, unfastens their seat belt, makes their way along to the flight deck, pausing every so often to take a suck at conveniently spaced, unused O2 masks on their way, finally finding another convenient supply of O2 somewhere and giving it to a (theoretically) unconscious pilot, all the while with no O2 supply,...pilot then revives, brain all functioning as normal, to bring the plane safely down.

That little high energy escapade with a drastically reduced O2 supply would knock out any normal man or woman in less than a minute.
Then he'd die, without O2.

As you pointed out, unused O2 masks would be hard to find if the seats were full, so a no-go scenario
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And none of the four people mentioned as being the patent holder were on the plane.
I tell ya, its a full cover up
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Attempting anything as complex as trying to rescue anyone else while rapidly becoming increasingly incapable mentally and physically is an impossibility, except in movies.
Not convincing sorry.

You possibly missed the bit about "immediately" that is immediately after the, in theory' decompression when the oxygen masks would have dropped down.

There would have been a trail of oxygen masks dangling down all through the length of the plane anyone moving along could grab one have a few breaths and move on unless all the seats were full and all the passengers had put them on.

Sorry I missed the bit about when the oxygen ran out, didnt see how long it took.
The maximum period of useful time as hypoxia sets in after depressurization, in MH370's case, at 45,000 ft, would have been less than 3 minutes. In fact, after around 2 minutes without O2, all passengers and attendants would be at least, confused.

In fact, all aboard would initially have been scared stiff as the plane suddenly ascended rapidly from 30,000 ft or so to 45,000 ft, all would be thinking of survival, how to put that mask on, not rescue, as they'd assume the pilot was in control.

About 15-30 seconds fixing masks in place, at least. Then there'd be around 15 minutes of O2 available, and no-one in their right mind would attempt to remove their life-line of O2 on the off chance that they could rescue a woozy pilot.

After that, if the plane had not dropped to a safer level and re-pressurized with O2, hypoxia would quickly occur and death would result in 30 seconds onwards.

The scenario you envisage of someone somehow 'knowing' that the pilot needed rescuing, (How?) removes their O2 mask, unfastens their seat belt, makes their way along to the flight deck, pausing every so often to take a suck at conveniently spaced, unused O2 masks on their way, finally finding another convenient supply of O2 somewhere and giving it to a (theoretically) unconscious pilot, all the while with no O2 supply,...pilot then revives, brain all functioning as normal, to bring the plane safely down.

That little high energy escapade with a drastically reduced O2 supply would knock out any normal man or woman in less than a minute.
Then he'd die, without O2.

As you pointed out, unused O2 masks would be hard to find if the seats were full, so a no-go scenario
The cabin crew have portable O2 supplies (c.f. At 11:49, flight attendant Andreas Prodromou entered the cockpit and sat down in the captain's seat, having remained conscious by using a portable oxygen supply.) but in these post 9-11 days what they don't have is access to the cockpit.

Matey boy would have locked himself in like the Germanwings nutter.
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But I seem to recall that article saying that in the event of decompression, the cockpit door unlocks automatically....

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But I seem to recall that article saying that in the even of decompression, the cockpit door unlocks automatically....
That I haven't read, but the Flight crew have an independent oxygen supply of 15 minutes and the *first* action in the event of a decompression event is rapid descent to a lower altitude (10,000 feet or lower) and notifying ATC.

Honestly, this is going nowhere LD, it's irrelevant bollocks and doesn't fit what we know the plane actually did. It never got below 29,500 feet before it was last seen over the Andaman.

Oh, and Transponders don't just turn themselves off.

The whole thing was deliberate; even the whackjobs know that.
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..the Flight crew have an independent oxygen supply of 15 minutes and the *first* action in the event of a decompression event is rapid descent to a lower altitude (10,000 feet or lower) and notifying ATC.

It never got below 29,500 feet before it was last seen over the Andaman.
Where did you get that info from?

Other reports say that after ascending to 43,000 ft, remaining there for some time, MH370 took about two minutes to turn to the south-west, and descended to 12,000 ft as it flew over Malaysia.
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The whole thing was deliberate
Yes, it was. But the pilot's brain was not functioning properly due to hypoxia.

People do the silliest things in an oxygen-deprived state, but they think they are being rational.

For example : ENT had a difficult birth, and the damage from oxygen starvation stayed with him the rest of his life
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People do the silliest things in an oxygen-deprived state, but they think they are being rational.
So what's your excuse, troll?
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..the Flight crew have an independent oxygen supply of 15 minutes and the *first* action in the event of a decompression event is rapid descent to a lower altitude (10,000 feet or lower) and notifying ATC.

It never got below 29,500 feet before it was last seen over the Andaman.
Where did you get that info from?

Other reports say that after ascending to 43,000 ft, remaining there for some time, MH370 took about two minutes to turn to the south-west, and descended to 12,000 ft as it flew over Malaysia.
Well post one then.
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