Contact lost with Malaysia Plane.

[terry57]

^

My mate will not be happy reading that report ENT.

He is one of the hard core conspiracy nutters who recon the plane was carrying some very important people and was flown to a secret island in the middle of the ocean somewhere.

I love talking with him, he bangs on about all sorts of mad shit.

Funny as fook.

[ENT]

That report points away from the Oz led search in the wrong place.

My bet is that, going by the barnacles on the flaperon, the plane was ditched relatively safely in warm, 'friendly' waters, ( to make an easy escape for the captain) somewhere between 5 Lat South and 24 Lat South, somewhere upstream and east of where the plane parts were found.

[terry57]

^

Of course Ya shitting me Eh ENT.

Fookin hell.

[ENT]

Yahoo is just a news crawler.

I can only assume from the way the Aussies are throwing this back over the fence that they want the Malaysians to be left holding the baby.

If it contains information that suggests the pilot did it deliberately, I would imagine there will be a fairly massive class action lawsuit coming.

That was the name of the game from the start of the so called "search for missing MH370".
It involved a very expensive bathymetric study of the Indian Ocean.

The Oz gov et al got a massive payback, in the amount of surveyed topographical and geological info on the SE Indian Ocean floor, having surveyed along potentially rich oil and mineral deposit bearing sub-oceanic trenches, ridges, rift, folds and faults. All in a search for a place that the plane could be hidden in, like a deep oceanic trench, where, coincidentally lies stuff like oil and minerals.






Progressive Bathymetric Survey Map. MH370

[harrybarracuda]

A controlled ditching was always the most likely scenario, IMO.

The big questions are why, and where.

Here are your big answers.

Why?

Suicidal pilot.

Where?

Where he thought it would be hardest to find.

[harrybarracuda]

That report points away from the Oz led search in the wrong place.

My bet is that, going by the barnacles on the flaperon, the plane was ditched relatively safely in warm, 'friendly' waters, ( to make an easy escape for the captain) somewhere between 5 Lat South and 24 Lat South, somewhere upstream and east of where the plane parts were found.

They know where the plane last pinged.

What they haven't considered is that the pilot was still in control and perhaps deliberately flew it on a perpendicular or reverse flight path.

If they can prove that the flaps were fully deployed, then it proves that the pilot was still in control at the end, which changes the game completely from the assumptions under which they were working.

And stop going on about the fucking barnacles, you are not a marine biologist you silly sod.

[ENT]

That report points away from the Oz led search in the wrong place.

My bet is that, going by the barnacles on the flaperon, the plane was ditched relatively safely in warm, 'friendly' waters, ( to make an easy escape for the captain) somewhere between 5 Lat South and 24 Lat South, somewhere upstream and east of where the plane parts were found.

They know where the plane last pinged.

If they can prove that the flaps were fully deployed, then it proves that the pilot was still in control at the end, which changes the game completely from the assumptions under which they were working.

And stop going on about the fucking barnacles, you are not a marine biologist.

And you're not a clairvoyant.

Marine biology was a component of my degree structure, as was geology.

Those barnacles worry you don't they, harry.

The barnacles are a clue to knowing where the plane went down, which was a lot closer to Diego Garcia than where the Ozies were searching for it.

The debris find pattern, the condition of the debris and the age and condition of the barnacles, together point to warm sub-equatorial waters as being the locus of MH370's ditching, all the material moving westward in the South Indian Ocean counter-equatorial stream.

The "last ping"'s position has been moved around several times by the maths wizards of INMARSAT with their totally revolutionary maths that no one else can understand, their particular brand of fuzzy logic that had everyone looking in the wrong spot from the beginning.

So that method of finding the plane has proven fruitless.

Now it's up to 'other methods' to reveal the truth.

[peterpan]

come back to TD to find the same old loony Ent holding the floor,Ent should know about barnacles as he has them growing out his ears.

[harrybarracuda]

Marine biology was a component of my degree structure, as was geology.

As was seismology, as was architecture and building design, as was explosives, as.....

Yeah, like fuck.

You've got a TEFLer certificate and a woodwork CSE, own up.

[ENT]

Marine biology was a component of my degree structure, as was geology.

As was seismology, as was architecture and building design, as was explosives, as.....

Yeah, like fuck.

You've got a TEFLer certificate and a woodwork CSE, own up.

Envious little man, ain't ya harry? Missed out on yer higher tertiary education? Can't read a scientific journal for love or money, can you?

Harry, I realize you were 'channeled', tech college, business management or accountancy, career, marriage and probably your life/health insurance plan all the way to the grave.

Poor chap. Just accept your lot and be done with it. You're in good company, Allah's will rules there.

Others of us in this world, chose self-determination, freedom, rather than security, enjoy our search for knowledge, wisdom and truth, aims that you find impossible apparently.

You evidently never went near a university, judging by your remarks, nor do you understand how forensic investigation works and how broad a field of study anthropology can really be.

In your tiny little mind, one needs have a degree in every possible subject to know anything at all.

Have you got a degree in car polishing harry?

Get some tips from Neo, he's an "artisan" so he claims, almost an artist, to the pretentious, but no more than a spray painter hack in a car factory, dreaming of Michael Angelo, in fact. And ya know what? He hasn't even got a degree in spray-painting! Amazing eh?

Back to topic, my little bean-counting sand-crab, the goose-barnacles are key to finding where that flaperon off MH370 had been hanging out for more than a year after the plane was lost.

[ENT]

come back to TD to find the same old loony Ent holding the floor,Ent should know about barnacles as he has them growing out his ears.

You're obviously as stupid as you sound, my little moron.

[ENT]

A controlled ditching was always the most likely scenario, IMO.

The big questions are why, and where.

Here are your big answers.

Why?

Suicidal pilot.

Where?

Where he thought it would be hardest to find.

A blinkered point of view and limited reasoning power force you to come to those conclusions, harry.

Suicidal pilots don't make controlled ditching manoeuvres after 6 hours deliberately flying off the track.

Ditching the plane where it was hardest to find? Really?

Then why not dump it in the South China Sea instead of flying 6 hours while dog legging back over Malaysia, around Indonesia, then into the Indian Ocean?

A bit of a roundabout route for a suicide run, don't you think?

[harrybarracuda]

A controlled ditching was always the most likely scenario, IMO.

The big questions are why, and where.

Here are your big answers.

Why?

Suicidal pilot.

Where?

Where he thought it would be hardest to find.

A blinkered point of view and limited reasoning power force you to come to those conclusions, harry.

Suicidal pilots don't make controlled ditching manoeuvres after 6 hours deliberately flying off the track.

Ditching the plane where it was hardest to find? Really?

Then why not dump it in the South China Sea instead of flying 6 hours while dog legging back over Malaysia, around Indonesia, then into the Indian Ocean?

A bit of a roundabout route for a suicide run, don't you think?

Obviously wanted the plane lost never to be recovered, not a GermanWings suicidal squarehead. Many obvious reasons for this; insurance; protecting his reputation; liability.

[harrybarracuda]

Marine biology was a component of my degree structure, as was geology.

As was seismology, as was architecture and building design, as was explosives, as.....

Yeah, like fuck.

You've got a TEFLer certificate and a woodwork CSE, own up.

Envious little man, ain't ya harry? Missed out on yer higher tertiary education? Can't read a scientific journal for love or money, can you?

Harry, I realize you were 'channeled', tech college, business management or accountancy, career, marriage and probably your life/health insurance plan all the way to the grave.

Poor chap. Just accept your lot and be done with it. You're in good company, Allah's will rules there.

Others of us in this world, chose self-determination, freedom, rather than security, enjoy our search for knowledge, wisdom and truth, aims that you find impossible apparently.

You evidently never went near a university, judging by your remarks, nor do you understand how forensic investigation works and how broad a field of study anthropology can really be.

In your tiny little mind, one needs have a degree in every possible subject to know anything at all.

Have you got a degree in car polishing harry?

Get some tips from Neo, he's an "artisan" so he claims, almost an artist, to the pretentious, but no more than a spray painter hack in a car factory, dreaming of Michael Angelo, in fact. And ya know what? He hasn't even got a degree in spray-painting! Amazing eh?

Back to topic, my little bean-counting sand-crab, the goose-barnacles are key to finding where that flaperon off MH370 had been hanging out for more than a year after the plane was lost.

So it's a fake TEFLer certificate that you bought on the Khao San road then.

[ENT]

A bit of a roundabout route for a suicide run, don't you think?

Obviously wanted the plane lost never to be recovered, not a GermanWings suicidal squarehead. Many obvious reasons for this; insurance; protecting his reputation; liability.[/QUOTE]

Your argument doesn't make sense.

Why was the plane steered into a comparatively soft soft ditching to an outright dive into the sea or a mountain?

[ENT]

^^ Low-browed twaddle.

[harrybarracuda]

^^ Low-browed twaddle.

Most of your posts are.

That's why I keep the comments succinct.

[harrybarracuda]

Why was the plane steered into a comparatively soft soft ditching to an outright dive into the sea or a mountain?

Which bit of "Obviously wanted the plane lost never to be recovered" confused you?

[baldrick]

the goose-barnacles

into a comparatively soft soft ditching

so what would you consider to be the airspeed of an unladen goose barnacle for a soft ditching ? and are we taliking the african goose barnacle ?

[ENT]

Why was the plane steered into a comparatively soft soft ditching to an outright dive into the sea or a mountain?

Which bit of "Obviously wanted the plane lost never to be recovered" confused you?

So? Why would he want it found, whatever the pilot's motive?

If you postulate suicide as the motive to ditch the plane, how would a soft ditch into a warm, barnacle rich shallow environment hide the plane better than a nose dive into the sea? It would have been just after dawn, he could see what he was doing.

This particular 'soft ditch' ended with plane parts broken or snapped off after hitting water at no great speed, not shattered on impact, as seen by the evidence so far. No signs of fire either. How long did the fuselage float for before finally sinking? disintegrating

And why would the pilot attempt a soft ditch after a previously simulated practice run or six, in trying to suicide? Whoever landed that plane didn't want to die.

Odd that no radio signal, or an SOS, or anything was picked up at all, after ditching, especially just below the big spy-in-the-sky INMARSAT and Diego Garcia's 'over the horizon'radar systems......a call for help," TAXI! "or something, or maybe the pilot died on impact, or had already arranged for transport out of there,

Oz didn't pick up anything on radar, Diego Garcia won't say nuffin, yet both could 'see' halfway across the Indian Ocean.

[harrybarracuda]

Why was the plane steered into a comparatively soft soft ditching to an outright dive into the sea or a mountain?

Which bit of "Obviously wanted the plane lost never to be recovered" confused you?

So? Why would he want it found, whatever the pilot's motive?

Do you have a problem with English?

OBVIOUSLY WANTED THE PLANE LOST

FFS.

He didn't want it found, and let's face it he's done a pretty fucking good job.

If you postulate suicide as the motive to ditch the plane, how would a soft ditch into a warm, barnacle rich shallow environment hide the plane better than a nose dive into the sea?

Because then the airframe would sink mostly intact leaving no debris field to find, which is what fucking happened isn't it? And the bits they have found are commensurate with a low velocity controlled water landing.

And why would the pilot attempt a soft ditch after a previously simulated practice run or six, in trying to suicide? Whoever landed that plane didn't want to die.

Or didn't want to be found you idiot, try and keep up.

Oz didn't pick up anything on radar, Diego Garcia won't say nuffin, yet both could 'see' halfway across the Indian Ocean.

That's according to your looney tunes website collection, when in fact you haven't got a fucking clue what radar is on Diego Garcia and there is fuck all point in it being pointed at a load of empty sea.

If it's got radar with that capability it's almost certainly pointed at the two nuclear powers northwards.

[ENT]

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[ENT]

If you postulate suicide as the motive to ditch the plane, how would a soft ditch into a warm, barnacle rich shallow environment hide the plane better than a nose dive into the sea?

[QUOTE harrybarrycuda]Because then the airframe would sink mostly intact leaving no debris field to find, which is what fucking happened isn't it? And the bits they have found are commensurate with a low velocity controlled water landing.[/QUOTE]


Some MH370 debris found show little if any evidence of marine growth after being submerged for more than two years.
However, one large piece, a flaperon, was found hosting a forest of mature goose-necked barnacles which proliferate the seas between Chagos Archipelago and the Cocos Islands, both washed by the anti-clockwise flowing South Indian Ocean counter-equatorial stream.

How did some MH370 debris evidently remain out of the sea for years before finally being immersed in the sea to be cast up as flotsam on shores as far apart as Tanzania, South Africa and Rodriguez Islands, washed there from somewhere between latitudes 5 and 24 and between 70 -80 degrees longitude

The plane landed in warm shallow waters, near land, for some debris to stay high and dry and the rest immersed in barnacle rich seawater.

An archipelago such as Chagos, 49 miles north of Diego Garcia fits the requirements.

Oz didn't pick up anything on radar, Diego Garcia won't say nuffin, yet both could 'see' halfway across the Indian Ocean.

[QUOTE harrybarracuda]That's according to your looney tunes website collection, when in fact you haven't got a fucking clue what radar is on Diego Garcia and there is fuck all point in it being pointed at a load of empty sea.

If it's got radar with that capability it's almost certainly pointed at the two nuclear powers northwards.[/QUOTE]

Their tracking systems are pointed at more than a couple of third world nuclear arms players, India and Pakistan.

In fact Diego Garcia's own website tells you that it's GEODSS system can track an object the size of a basketball more than 20,000 miles away.
A small aircraft can be picked up at 3, 500 kilometres by its OTH radar

Air Operations

[harrybarracuda]

In fact Diego Garcia's own website tells you that it's GEODSS system can track an object the size of a basketball more than 20,000 miles away.
A small aircraft can be picked up at 3, 500 kilometres by its OTH radar

Air Operations

Yeah, unfortunately it doesn't say any of that shit.

Air Operations

Welcome to your new job in the Air Operations Department at NSF Diego Garcia. Your tour here will be both professionally and personally rewarding.
Air Traffic Controller
As an Air Traffic Controller, you will be guiding tactical aircraft supporting OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM and OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM. In addition, you will be controlling many Air Mobility Command cargo aircraft supporting various missions in and around the Indian Ocean and other operational theaters. It is those very AMC aircraft that bring the island its vast majority of mail, cargo, personnel and equipment, making your job an integral part of the operational mission. The view of the flight line from the tower will also allow you to see several coalition aircraft as they pass through.
Electronics Technicians
As an Electronics Technician assigned to Diego Garcia you will be a Performance Assessment Representative (PAR) within the Ground Electronics Maintenance Division (GEMD). As a PAR, you will be responsible for overseeing contractors under the Base Operating Support (BOS) contract. These contractors maintain all navigation and communication equipment in support of air operations. On any given day, there are several million dollars of contract work being performed on the island. Quite a daunting task to be a representative of the U.S. Government, and the Air Boss (Air Operations Officer) will require you to learn quickly. Additionally, you might be called upon to assist in the maintenance of the SPS-49 radar and other electronics issues on the island.
Aviation Botswain’s Mate
As an Aviation Boatswain's Mate assigned to the Air Operations Department, you will be a Performance Assessment Representative (PAR) charged with oversight the Airfield Facilities and Fire and Emergency Service portion's of the Base Operating Support (BOS) contract. ABH's also manage the Foreign Object Damage (FOD) and Bird Animal Strike Hazard (BASH) programs to ensure arriving and departing aircraft take no damage due to debris or the many birds that occupy the island. As an ABH you will be called on from time to time assist in fire fighting training to the Military Sealift Command ships that are in the lagoon. “ABH's GET THE JOB DONE!”

In fact it only mentions the SPS-49:

Range 3 nmi (5.6 km) to 256 nmi (474 km) (AN/SPS-49A(V)1)

So where is your link that says they have radar that can spot a basketball on the opposite side of the planet?




Added: GEODSS has a bit of a clue in the acronym.....

Ground-Based Electro-Optical Deep Space Surveillance

FFS ENT you are so ridiculous sometimes.

Diego Garcia is a Naval Support base so its primary responsibility is for Feeding, Watering and Fueling a variety of US Navy transport.


Have you been reading your whackjob websites again?

[AntRobertson]

Fuck me, has TD C.S.I still not solved this one?!