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Old 11-03-2014, 09:28 AM   #251 (permalink)
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Something seriously STINKS about this investigation.

There are multiple long range radars in the area from bases & warships. Each logs their raw radar video for weeks. The raw radar "paint" data shows altitude trajectory

I was in the Royal Navy for 6 years. Airliners are the easiest thing in the planet to track. We used to see them 900 miles away, our raw paint used to correlate perfectly with the IFF transponder data.

This is not the south Atlantic. SE Asia is congested with lots of countries close by.. probably even a few warships in the area to.

Asian incompetence/retardness... or just lack of cooperation and national pride?

.......but it did take 5 days to find the wreckage of Air France 447. This incident was at night so maybe there wasn't much activity nearby plus reduced vision. Although I see what you mean: odd that were told the plane's last known position was over the sea and now they are searching land?
Radar works night and day..
Also Air france crashed literally in the middle of the Atlantic between Americas and Africa..

The Gulf of Thailand is a very cozy little area, with lots of bases, lots of radars constantly tracking and probably a few warships.

If it blew up the radar paint would have just disappeared

If it crash landed you'd be able to see the altitude gradually drop


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May? these things are not ambiguous.. it either stayed on track or it turned around.. there's no may about it..

And they've indicated they're actually looking at military radar so surely they'd be able to ascertain if the thing flew 300miles west, across the country and into the Andaman sea
So punter are you basically saying that someone using radar that night should have it's last position before it went below radar ? So who the fuck and why the fuck are they keeping it a secret. I am in agreement that something doesn't seem right about this whole thing.
Not someone.. EVERYONE.. countrys with modern(ish) militarys operate early warning radar 24/7 It's common practice to record all data and time stamp it for incidents exactly like this.

We have RAF Flyingdales in the UK
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The Malaysian authorities didnt check whether the PPs were stolen
Malaysia may have reputation as being a a place where you can board aeroplanes with ease on stolen PPs .
The question is : Would they have gotton through at their intended destination on the stolen PPs ?
If they definitely would have been caught at their intended destination with the stolen passports , you could assume that they didnt intend to arrive there .
It depends on the reason for travelling. If they were travelling to Europe to seek asylum there, they might not care about the stolen passport being discovered at their destination because they could still claim asylum. They may even ditch the passport (or give it to someone else) before getting off the plane or approaching immigration (passports are sometimes found on planes hidden somewhere or stuffed down a toilet). And if they were asylum seekers or being trafficked, it's likely that someone else involved was also on the plane, somebody involved in people trafficking who would want to make sure the men arrrived at their destination, and the courier would probably collect the passports before the 'customers' arrive.

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So someone somewhere, sorry everyone everywhere, knows the last position of this plane before it went below radar and they are keeping it quiet. Seriously I feel so sorry for these relatives.
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Something seriously STINKS about this investigation.

There are multiple long range radars in the area from bases & warships. Each logs their raw radar video for weeks. The raw radar "paint" data shows altitude trajectory

I was in the Royal Navy for 6 years. Airliners are the easiest thing in the planet to track. We used to see them 900 miles away, our raw paint used to correlate perfectly with the IFF transponder data.

This is not the south Atlantic. SE Asia is congested with lots of countries close by.. probably even a few warships in the area to.

Asian incompetence/retardness... or just lack of cooperation and national pride?

.......but it did take 5 days to find the wreckage of Air France 447. This incident was at night so maybe there wasn't much activity nearby plus reduced vision. Although I see what you mean: odd that were told the plane's last known position was over the sea and now they are searching land?
Radar works night and day..
Also Air france crashed literally in the middle of the Atlantic between Americas and Africa..

The Gulf of Thailand is a very cozy little area, with lots of bases, lots of radars constantly tracking and probably a few warships.

If it blew up the radar paint would have just disappeared

If it crash landed you'd be able to see the altitude gradually drop


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May? these things are not ambiguous.. it either stayed on track or it turned around.. there's no may about it..

And they've indicated they're actually looking at military radar so surely they'd be able to ascertain if the thing flew 300miles west, across the country and into the Andaman sea
So punter are you basically saying that someone using radar that night should have it's last position before it went below radar ? So who the fuck and why the fuck are they keeping it a secret. I am in agreement that something doesn't seem right about this whole thing.
Not someone.. EVERYONE.. countrys with modern(ish) militarys operate early warning radar 24/7 It's common practice to record all data and time stamp it for incidents exactly like this.

We have RAF Flyingdales in the UK
No matter how much radar tracking ability is available you can't tell what happened if a target just goes off the screen suddenly. The reports state that this AC was on radar.....appeared to make a turn and then just went off radar, with no warning; no distress calls....nothing! It appeared to be a few degrees off course to the South before making the turn as well.

This has to be the perfect case for rampant speculation, conspiracy theories and virtually unlimited amounts of bollocks..
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^ indeed but I think they need to get divers to the last point of contact. They may have already but nothing has been stated. That is the most obvious place to start. Get panes covering the large stretches of sea but get ships, man power and divers around that one spot.
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In response to 287 and 288 above, I have read that a Chinese family did make contact with a passenger's mobile and that the signal was being used to track the location.

I have also read that both military and civilian radar show the plane turning around before radar contact was lost. It seems something happened which caused an electrical failure, which would have prevented the pilots from making radio contact, and which gave the pilots cause to believe they would not reach their destination safely. It must have been sudden since there are no reports of passengers making frantic calls to loved ones from their mobile phones, and if anyone were still alive I believe contact would have been made by now.

A reliable plane and an airline with a good safety record, in mid air over water. It all adds up to something very unpleasant. If no credible organization has claimed responsibility it will be because the airline was threatened in advance.
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.......but it did take 5 days to find the wreckage of Air France 447. This incident was at night so maybe there wasn't much activity nearby plus reduced vision. Although I see what you mean: odd that were told the plane's last known position was over the sea and now they are searching land?
Radar works night and day..
Also Air france crashed literally in the middle of the Atlantic between Americas and Africa..

The Gulf of Thailand is a very cozy little area, with lots of bases, lots of radars constantly tracking and probably a few warships.

If it blew up the radar paint would have just disappeared

If it crash landed you'd be able to see the altitude gradually drop


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May? these things are not ambiguous.. it either stayed on track or it turned around.. there's no may about it..

And they've indicated they're actually looking at military radar so surely they'd be able to ascertain if the thing flew 300miles west, across the country and into the Andaman sea
So punter are you basically saying that someone using radar that night should have it's last position before it went below radar ? So who the fuck and why the fuck are they keeping it a secret. I am in agreement that something doesn't seem right about this whole thing.
Not someone.. EVERYONE.. countrys with modern(ish) militarys operate early warning radar 24/7 It's common practice to record all data and time stamp it for incidents exactly like this.

We have RAF Flyingdales in the UK
No matter how much radar tracking ability is available you can't tell what happened if a target just goes off the screen suddenly. The reports state that this AC was on radar.....appeared to make a turn and then just went off radar, with no warning; no distress calls....nothing! It appeared to be a few degrees off course to the South before making the turn as well.

This has to be the perfect case for rampant speculation, conspiracy theories and virtually amounts of bollocks..
No you can't tell what exactly happened but you can use process of elimination

If it suddenly vanished from radar then it crashed or blew up in the vicinity of where it last was showing.. easy ain't it?
It certainly isn't hundreds of miles to the west in the Andaman sea
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How did the Austrian go from being in his 30's to being 60? This 'investigation' by the Malaysian keystone cops is fucked beyond comprehension.
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Radar works night and day..
Also Air france crashed literally in the middle of the Atlantic between Americas and Africa..

The Gulf of Thailand is a very cozy little area, with lots of bases, lots of radars constantly tracking and probably a few warships.

If it blew up the radar paint would have just disappeared

If it crash landed you'd be able to see the altitude gradually drop


May? these things are not ambiguous.. it either stayed on track or it turned around.. there's no may about it..

And they've indicated they're actually looking at military radar so surely they'd be able to ascertain if the thing flew 300miles west, across the country and into the Andaman sea
So punter are you basically saying that someone using radar that night should have it's last position before it went below radar ? So who the fuck and why the fuck are they keeping it a secret. I am in agreement that something doesn't seem right about this whole thing.
Not someone.. EVERYONE.. countrys with modern(ish) militarys operate early warning radar 24/7 It's common practice to record all data and time stamp it for incidents exactly like this.

We have RAF Flyingdales in the UK
No matter how much radar tracking ability is available you can't tell what happened if a target just goes off the screen suddenly. The reports state that this AC was on radar.....appeared to make a turn and then just went off radar, with no warning; no distress calls....nothing! It appeared to be a few degrees off course to the South before making the turn as well.

This has to be the perfect case for rampant speculation, conspiracy theories and virtually amounts of bollocks..
No you can't tell what exactly happened but you can use process of elimination

If it suddenly vanished from radar then it crashed or blew up in the vicinity of where it last was showing.. easy ain't it?
It certainly isn't hundreds of miles to the west in the Andaman sea
Right....and that is the mystery. It should be somewhere in the area where radar contact was lost. If it turns up in the Malacca straight..... ????? that would open up a whole new line of enquiry I would think....
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^^^ exactly and that is the most likely scenario, so why the fuck they are bothering with Andaman sea is beyond me. They will be trying to over analysiseverything instead of using common sense and critical thinking, typical Asian.
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Missing MH370: Help from bomoh must be in accordance with Islam, says Jamil Khir - Nation | The Star Online

How pathetic.

The nation who produced Shebby Singh, hangs people for weed and can't find one of it's fucking planes. What a bunch of fucktards, more concerned with religious correctness then finding these poor people. I told you, a bunch of hallway monitors.
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How pathetic.

The nation who produced Shebby Singh, hangs people for weed and can't find one of it's fucking planes. What a bunch of fucktards, more concerned with religious correctness then finding these poor people.
These guys are going to be mighty pissed off if a bunch if infidels find it with very anti-Islamic sonar gear made in the USA by Republican Bible thumpers....
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How pathetic.

The nation who produced Shebby Singh, hangs people for weed and can't find one of it's fucking planes. What a bunch of fucktards, more concerned with religious correctness then finding these poor people.
These guys are going to be mighty pissed off if a bunch if infidels find it with very anti-Islamic sonar gear made in the USA by Republican Bible thumpers....
The blackbox will probably have to be kept in a bucket of water from Mecca during transportation to land. Otherwise it would be un-islamic You can just imagine it gets to land and there is some Imam saying no no it is un-islamic, throw it away, to a great cheer from the crowd and the beheading of some poor unsuspecting Christian crusader journalist. Fucking pathetic people to bring up religion at a time like this, go fuck a goat.
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I think Gulf of Thailand highly likely

Malacca straits unlikely

Andaman Sea extremely unlikely

But as we all know.. the SE Asian brain does not operate like that does it?
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the US need to step in here and taker over the investigation
And how many planes and ships couldnt they locate close to home in that Bermuda triangle ?

I see sailor boy is playing spot the ball now. What was your role in the navy SP ?
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And how many planes and ships couldnt they locate close to home in that Bermuda triangle ?

I see sailor boy is playing spot the ball now. What was your role in the navy SP ?
Thanks for your contribution, I am sure we are all the better for your historical comparison.
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The passengers and debris from PanAm flight 103 were scattered along a 130 km (81 mile) corridor over an area of 845 square miles. The Malaysian flight might not have broken up in mid air but you never know.
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^ indeed but I think they need to get divers to the last point of contact. They may have already but nothing has been stated. That is the most obvious place to start. Get panes covering the large stretches of sea but get ships, man power and divers around that one spot.
What spot! Do you have any idea of the size of area you are speaking of? You could every diver in SE asia in the water for a month without finding anything!
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The passengers and debris from PanAm flight 103 were scattered along a 130 km (81 mile) corridor over an area of 845 square miles. The Malaysian flight might not have broken up in mid air but you never know.
My friends dad was actually on that flight, they never found him
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Old 11-03-2014, 10:19 AM   #271 (permalink)
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but, "from CCTV footage the two passengers using the Austrian and Italian passport are Asian in appearance". "Nope, from CCTV footage, the two passengers in question are NOT Asian in appearance." "Oh, by the way, they are black/African guys, that's why we mistook them for Asian". "Oh, and the 30-something Austrian is actually a 60-something Austrian."

And before Fluke weighs in, you folks have been downloading wayyyyyyyyyy too many Bourne movies. Doing a photo substitution on a modern passport is not a matter of popping into the hotel room and doing a peel-and-glue job. It is VERY difficult to alter anything in a passport without it being glaringly obvious - except to Malaysians...
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^ indeed but I think they need to get divers to the last point of contact. They may have already but nothing has been stated. That is the most obvious place to start. Get panes covering the large stretches of sea but get ships, man power and divers around that one spot.
What spot! Do you have any idea of the size of area you are speaking of? You could every diver in SE asia in the water for a month without finding anything!
I understand that but it is the logical place to start looking and besides don't battleships and coast guard ships have sonar ???? surely something as big as a plane or a part of a plane would show up pretty easily, I mean there can't be that much shit down there.

What I am trying to say is they should assume that the plane went down intact at the spot it was last seen on the radar. That it hit the sea intact and is now in that area on the sea bed obviously broken up into separate pieces. Start with what you know...the position and what the most likely event was.....plane fell intact into the sea. This being because no one has claimed responsibility for a bomb and the likelihood of mass disintegration is small compared to mechanical or electrical failure resulting in nose dive into the ocean.
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^^^ exactly and that is the most likely scenario, so why the fuck they are bothering with Andaman sea is beyond me. They will be trying to over analysiseverything instead of using common sense and critical thinking, typical Asian.
Are you related to Socal?

You sound a real nob head anyway!

Since I believe in Education I will try to help. When conducting any type of search you start with the most likely area. Then widen your search area. Then re search. As more resources are made available you then look at less likely scenerio's. The reason is that in the past planes have been hijacked and forced to fly towards point x only to crash due to reasons y. Or faults develop that have the aircraft deviate in ways not experienced before.

Actualy this is approach is very common sense and very much the standard. As to critical thinking, why not try some yourself. Actually having some knowledge before pontificating would be beneficial.

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A family who lived just down the road from me lost a daughter in the Air India flight that was destroyed off Ireland. They never found her either......but the debris and bodies were all over the place and being picked up the same day. It blew up at 31000ft.......I've already mentioned this in a previous post.

So this begs the question; if the AM flight was bombed or just broke up at 35000 ft why is there no debris trail or floating bodies anywhere in the area where it disappeared of the radar. It's a big area but not that big
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Bkbc, why dont you turn your pc off, get your swimming trunks on and a pair of flippers and let us know how you get on ?
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What I am trying to say is they should assume that the plane went down intact at the spot it was last seen on the radar.
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