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    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker View Post
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    Pedantic I know but I like things proper....

    It's QANTAS (capitals)
    Quite right, not being pedantic . . .



    "QANTAS", an acronym for "Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services"
    Learn something new every day.
    Seriously I though it stood for Australians national carrier.

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    I always thought ANA stood for All Nippon Airways.

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    All good quiz questions.


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    New phase of MH370 search to start in 2 weeks, says Australia PM
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    KUALA LUMPUR, September 06, 2014

    First Published: 17:30 IST(6/9/2014)
    Last Updated: 17:35 IST(6/9/2014)

    An intensified underwater search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 will start in about two weeks' time, Australian premier Tony Abbott said Saturday as he visited Malaysia to discuss the issue.

    Abbott said the hunt for the jet, which inexplicably veered off its Kuala Lumpur-Beijing route on March 8 with 239 people aboard, would continue for as long as necessary.

    Australia has been spearheading the hunt for the plane, which is believed to have crashed in the southern Indian Ocean off western Australia, but the massive air, sea and underwater search has so far failed to find any wreckage.

    Speaking after talks with his Malaysian counterpart Najib Razak, Abbot said the new phase of the search would begin "in about a fortnight's time", in addition to ongoing mapping through a sonar survey.

    "(The underwater search) will utilise the best available technology. It will last as long as it needs to scour the seabed," he told reporters.

    New phase of MH370 search to start in 2 weeks, says Australia PM - Hindustan Times

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    Hunt for Missing Malaysia Plane to Resume - ABC News

    Crews will resume the underwater hunt for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 at the end of the month, and will begin the search in an area farther south than initially planned, a senior search official said Friday.

    The search had been due to start next week, but the first of three ships that will scour a remote patch of the Indian Ocean for the plane that vanished in March needed to undergo some additional work in Indonesia, Australian Transport Safety Bureau Chief Commissioner Martin Dolan said. The ship, Malaysia's GO Phoenix, is now expected to begin searching on Sept. 30.

    Officials have been refining their analysis of satellite data from the Boeing 777 to get the best idea of where they believe it crashed into the ocean far off Australia's west coast. The most recent analysis suggests the aircraft turned south earlier than previously thought, meaning it may have entered the water in an area south of what was initially considered the highest priority search zone, Dolan said.

    The GO Phoenix will therefore begin its search in that southerly stretch of ocean, located along what is known as the "seventh arc" — a 60,000-square kilometer (23,000-square mile) targeted area where investigators believe the plane ran out of fuel and crashed, based on the last ping from the engine transmitters.

    "Our plan has a sequence of priorities," Dolan said. "It's all about probability — we'll start with the highest probability."

    The second ship, provided by Dutch contractor Fugro Survey Pty. Ltd, will likely focus on an area south of the GO Phoenix when it eventually arrives, Dolan said.

    Flight 370 disappeared March 8 after veering off its northerly course from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing for reasons unknown. It is thought to have crashed 1,800 kilometers (1,100 miles) off Australia's west coast, but no trace of the aircraft or the 239 people on board have been found.

    Two survey vessels have spent months painstakingly mapping the entire underwater search area, which reaches depths of 6 kilometers (3.7 miles). Once the search begins, the Malaysian and Fugro ships will slowly tow equipment with side-scan sonar about 100 meters (330 feet) above the ocean floor to look for wreckage. The data from the "towfish" will be transmitted in real-time back to crew aboard the ships, who will analyze it for anything unusual.

    The search is expected to take up to a year.

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    Seems like a surveying and mapping program, not a search for a lost airliner.

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    Over half a year now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Seems like a surveying and mapping program, not a search for a lost airliner.
    No it doesn't if you bother reading to the end.

    Once the search begins, the Malaysian and Fugro ships will slowly tow equipment with side-scan sonar about 100 meters (330 feet) above the ocean floor to look for wreckage. The data from the "towfish" will be transmitted in real-time back to crew aboard the ships, who will analyze it for anything unusual.

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    Aireon launches emergency response tracking
    Posted on September 22, 2014 by Aimee Turner

    Aireon , developer of the world’s first space-based ADS-B global air traffic surveillance system, is to develop a global emergency tracking solution that will be provided as a public service to the aviation community, free-of-charge.

    The Aireon Aircraft Locating and Emergency Response Tracking (Aireon ALERT) service will allow rescue agencies to request the location and last flight track of any 1090 MHz ADS-B equipped aircraft flying in airspace currently without surveillance.

    “A comprehensive, global aircraft tracking solution is essential in emergency situations, as evidenced by MH370 earlier this year and Air France 447 in 2009,” said Don Thoma, president and CEO, Aireon. “AireonSM is being deployed to improve the efficiency and safety of aircraft operations in oceanic and unsurveilled airspace.

    “The same technology behind these efficiency and safety gains can also make a significant difference in providing quick, accurate information in emergency situations. With one global view of ADS-B equipped aircraft, Aireon ALERT will provide accurate and real-time tracking data immediately to authorized search and rescue operations, without requiring airlines to equip aircraft with new avionics or the ANSPs and authorities to deploy new systems.”

    Aireon is deploying a global space-based ADS-B surveillance capability providing direct air traffic controller visibility of flights operating in oceanic or remote airspace, focused on improving the efficiency and safety of aircraft operations. When Aireon is fully operational, anticipated for 2017, it will create a powerful platform capable of tracking ADS-B equipped aircraft around the globe in real-time.

    The Aireon ALERT service will be available soon after Aireon’s full deployment and will be provided through a 24/7 application and emergency call center. Historical track data will be available to pre-authorized users, including ANSPs, airlines and search and rescue authorities, through Aireon ALERT soon after controller communications are lost with an aircraft, and the system can also provide real-time tracking of aircraft in distress, provided ADS-B transmissions are still operational.

    “Tracking of aircraft in emergency and search and rescue situations is a complex issue,” said Cyriel Kronenburg, vice president sales and marketing for Aireon. “We plan to engage the various aviation stakeholders including the airlines, ANSPs, regulators and search and rescue organizations over the next 12 months to define the technical, operational and legal details of providing this data in emergency situations.”

    “We anticipate support from the world’s airlines for the approach taken by Aireon for emergency tracking,” said John Crichton, president and CEO of NAV CANADA. “Airlines already stand to gain over $125 million per year in fuel savings in the North Atlantic alone by using Aireon’s space-based surveillance service. The Aireon ALERT public service offers an additional benefit, free of charge, ensuring that ADS-B equipped aircraft can be tracked anywhere in the world, even in airspace managed by ANSPs that have not subscribed to the Aireon service.”

    Aireon is a joint venture among Iridium Communications, NAV CANADA, ENAV, IAA, and Naviair, established to launch the Aireon system by hosting ADS-B receiver payloads on Iridium NEXT, Iridium’s second-generation satellite constellation, scheduled for first launch in 2015. This new capability is a quantum leap from today’s land-based systems, extending air traffic surveillance to the entire planet and offering untold opportunity for the safety and efficiency of air travel over oceanic and remote regions.

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    MH370 Search Pushes South on New View of Plane Movements
    Underwater vehicles will search for the missing Malaysian Airline System Bhd. (MAS)’s Flight 370 further south than previously expected, after analysts revised their views of the plane’s last movements.

    Priority regions for a deep-sea sonar search “will most likely extend south of the previous ‘orange’ priority area’,” the Australian Transport Safety Bureau said in a statement on its website. Three search vessels are preparing to start a yearlong scan of the ocean bottom for wreckage of the aircraft, which disappeared March 8 with 239 people on board.

    The search in 6.3 kilometer-(3.9 mile) deep waters of the Indian Ocean off Western Australiaaims to find remains of the Boeing Co. (BA) 777-200. The only clues to the aircraft’s final resting place have been data exchanges with an Inmarsat Plc (ISAT) satellite, which indicated it ditching along an arc of ocean west of Perth.

    “Recent refinement to the analysis has given greater certainty about when the aircraft turned south into the Indian Ocean,” the Safety Bureau said on its website. The working group planning the search zones also had a better understanding of satellite ground station operations during the final flight of the Malaysia Airlines aircraft.
    Malaysia Airlines is controlled by Khazanah Nasional Bhd., Malaysia’s sovereign wealth fund.

    The revised priority search zone extends to a latitude of around 35 degrees south, according to amap published online, compared with a southern limit of about 32 degrees south in a previous map published June 24.

    The Malaysian-contracted GO Phoenix search vessel will arrive at the underwater search area on Oct. 1, and search for about 20 days, according to the statement.

    Two vessels operated by Fugro NV under a contract with the Australian government are also heading to the search zone. The Fugro Equator will start deep-sea sonar searches around the end of October after a ship-based seafloor scan is complete and the Fugro Discovery will arrive inAustralia around Oct. 2, where a crew and equipment will be mobilized.


    MH370 Search Pushes South on New View of Plane Movements - Bloomberg





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    How Two Specialist Ships Will Search Underwater for MH370
    World | Agence France-Presse | Updated: September 29, 2014 11:46 IST

    SYDNEY: The search for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 enters a new underwater phase this week almost seven months after the jet went missing, with two specialist ships to join the hunt.

    MH370 disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8 with 239 people onboard and no trace of the Boeing 777-200 has been found despite a massive air, sea and underwater search.

    Authorities have since used technical data to focus the search in the southern Indian Ocean far west of Western Australia along the thin, long arc from which the plane emitted its last satellite "handshake".

    Australia has been spearheading the hunt for the plane, which is believed to have come down after mysteriously diverting off-course, leaving search teams with a dauntingly vast task that has been beset by false leads and initial confusion -- to the continued frustration of grieving relatives.

    The latest phase to begin in early October will see two ships -- Fugro Discovery and Malaysian-contracted GO Phoenix -- send sophisticated sonar systems some 5,000 metres (3 miles) below sea level to search the ocean floor using sound waves, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) said.

    The systems, attached to the ships by tow cables up to 10 kilometres long, have been programmed to detect the biggest parts of the aircraft that are likely to be in one piece, such as engines, landing gear and fuselage, the ATSB's Peter Foley said.

    If "abnormalities" are detected, the ships will return to those areas and pilot the vehicles "slower and lower", using cameras to look at the sea bed, said Foley who is in charge of search operations.

    Foley said he was "cautiously optimistic" the underwater probe would be successful, but he acknowledged the "very challenging" conditions faced by the search teams at the remote and largely unexplored location.

    On the surface, the ships and their crew operate in cold, windy conditions and on rough seas with waves as high as 12 metres.

    Underwater, the searchers are discovering new features in a varied terrain previously mapped with coarser resolution using limited satellite data.

    "Given the area that we are going to need to potentially search, it's an extraordinary challenge," Foley said.

    The new phase follows the mapping of some 110,000 square kilometres (44,000 square miles) of the remote area's vast sea floor since May -- by Chinese survey ship Zhu Kezhen and the Australian-contracted Fugro Equator.

    With the search zone cutting across Broken Ridge -- a mountainous sea floor structure formed by spreading plate margins -- the three-dimensional maps produced from the survey by Geoscience Australia have revealed an underwater world of volcanoes, ridges and deep trenches.

    The changes in height, with ridges up to 300 metres high and trenches some 1,400 metres deep, point to the tough job ahead. But the data could also inform other research after the underwater probe is concluded.

    "What it is giving us is some background on the evolution of the continental plates that exist in this area, the geology of the sea floor... and it gives us places to look at in future for biological communities," Stuart Minchin, from Geoscience Australia, told AFP.

    "Having this kind of information about the sea floor also impacts our modelling of ocean currents and provides some background information for potential tsunami impact modelling down the track," added Minchin.

    He said the mapping had identified new features, including a ridge six kilometres wide, 15 kilometres long and nearly 2,000 metres above the sea floor, as well as two volcanoes and seamounts, which are remnants of volcanoes.

    The ATSB said on September 24 that further refinement of communications and flight data from MH370 would be used to determine the first areas to be scoured by the ships, "which will most likely extend south" of the previous priority zone.

    The team has also hired a sonar specialist who worked with Air France AF447's recovery team after that plane crashed in the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, with many similar challenges -- such as water depth and terrain -- in the searches, Foley said.

    "We are totally focused on finding that aircraft and we've got really expert help, so optimism is high," he said.

    How Two Specialist Ships Will Search Underwater for MH370

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    SYDNEY: The search for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 enters a new underwater phase this week almost seven months after the jet went missing, with two specialist ships to join the hunt.
    Thanks for the update, sorry can't green you.

    I still believe it is unlikely they will find the plane under these condition. But the scientific value will be high, mapping such a large area to previously unknown resolution.

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    Someone will stumble upon it, sometime, somewhere, maybe many years from now...

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    In a museum in Texas....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy View Post
    Someone will stumble upon it, sometime, somewhere, maybe many years from now...
    My thoughts exactly.

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    Serious question.
    How much time and money should be spent on this search?
    Who should pay for it?
    What really is to be gained from finding it?
    When will it be time to just let it go?

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    We can send the Rosetta satellite to mars, though can't find a plane on earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    We can send the Rosetta satellite to mars, though can't find a plane on earth.
    We can actually see Mars.

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    hmm

    225 million km
    On the opposite end of the scale, Mars and Earth can be 401 million km apart (249 million miles) when they are in opposition and both are at aphelion. The average distance between the two is 225 million km. Mars and Earth reach this closest point to one another approximately every two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    hmm

    225 million km
    On the opposite end of the scale, Mars and Earth can be 401 million km apart (249 million miles) when they are in opposition and both are at aphelion. The average distance between the two is 225 million km. Mars and Earth reach this closest point to one another approximately every two years.
    Yes but man first observed Mars in 1659 or thereabout. So we've had a long time to work out how to get there.

    The opposite is true with this aircraft. Once it's found, they can do what's needed in a matter of months.

    Finding it is the problem.

    I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    Serious question.
    How much time and money should be spent on this search?
    Who should pay for it?
    What really is to be gained from finding it?
    When will it be time to just let it go?
    More to the point : why are Australian taxpayers already shelling out so much to search for a Malaysian plane ?

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    Because they're thick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    Serious question.
    How much time and money should be spent on this search?
    Who should pay for it?
    What really is to be gained from finding it?
    When will it be time to just let it go?
    More to the point : why are Australian taxpayers already shelling out so much to search for a Malaysian plane ?

    I would guess, like with ships, that there are international SAR treaties in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    Serious question.
    How much time and money should be spent on this search?
    Who should pay for it?
    What really is to be gained from finding it?
    When will it be time to just let it go?
    More to the point : why are Australian taxpayers already shelling out so much to search for a Malaysian plane ?

    I would guess, like with ships, that there are international SAR treaties in place.
    I would also guess that not only are Malaysia sending money, but that both Malaysia and China are repaying the favour with some nice trade deals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    We can send the Rosetta satellite to mars
    Noooooooo! Or we could but fortunately we sent it to a comet. It just passed by Mars.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Yes but man first observed Mars in 1659 or thereabout.
    The ancient greeks knew Mars. They called it Ares, the god of war because of the red color. I am sure older civilizations were aware of it too. In 16xx it was just seen first through a telescope, larger than a dot.

    I see the search as valuable, not because I believe it will be found but there will be very detailed maps of that area, scientifically valuable but no one would spend the money on getting the info but for the plane.
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