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Old 09-07-2016, 11:36 PM   #76 (permalink)
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To get the boy British citizenship and a passport you'll need to prove paternity. If your name's not on the birth certificate forget it.
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I'd tell you to get a lawyer Fluke, but you would probably start telling them how to do their jobs and fukk it all up, so all I can say is good luck with all that.
I dont think that that will be necessary, I am pretty certain that the family wont get any authorities involved and I dont want them to get involved either .
His mother has to make a 300 Baht 3 hour round trip to see him in the village , she must be getting fed up keep doing that ,
The grandmother must be fed up looking after him, as she has her daily errands to do
The novelty of having must have worm off by now and they must now realise that they wont be getting a pay out from me .
His mother must also realise that he will be better off with me .
I think that they will be quite grateful of me for coming to collect him.
I will bring him back with me, I will them speak to his mother and make visiting arrangements for her and any issues will be solved amicably .
That is my forecast
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To get the boy British citizenship and a passport you'll need to prove paternity. If your name's not on the birth certificate forget it.
You havent read the whole thread, have you.
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So, if you found out that your Childrens Mother had no Nationality before you had kids, you wouldnt have had Children with her and so your Children wouldnt exist ?[/quote] it took you 3 years to find out the mother of your kid you fathered in Thailand wasn't Thai? Or doesn't hold residency status? That's fucked up.but on a positive side your kid should get citizenship by default from your home country assumiming your home country's as civilized as mine, but getting back to your question , my kids exist because I knew what country my kids mum is from, I ask questions fluke, I didn't just assume that because she had brown skin and black hair then she must be Lao.[/quote]

OK, so if a few weeks into your relationship with your kids mother, you found out that she had no nationality, you would have finished with her ?
Fair enough , I didnt
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Outstanding effort though ... a kid with no nationality, kidnapped, mother uncooperative, mother unable to give child nationality, father unable to get child nationality....seriously....why the fuck did you breed ?
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Yep, My Mother told me to go and get my Son from the village
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No passport from your home country? no father's name on the birth certificate? Mother and child are stateless? What a clusterfluke.


and they say the guys that marry Isaan slappers make bad choices.

Sorry Fluke, hope it all works out bud,.
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No passport from your home country? no father's name on the birth certificate? Mother and child are stateless? What a clusterfluke.


and they say the guys that marry Isaan slappers make bad choices.

Sorry Fluke, hope it all works out bud,.
As stated previously in the thread, my name is on the birth certificate and my Son has taken my surname , he should also be able to get Thai ID and Nationality when he completes his schooling at 16 and can show that he was born here. The Thai Gov is trying to legitimise un documented people .
I can also ask the UK Home Secretary directly to give a ruling on his case, also, as previously stated in this thread .
But whatever, my Sons here and I wouldnt change him for anything, so I do not consider it to be a bad choice, once again, as previously stated in this thread
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I don't understand that if your son has been at granny's all these weeks why you haven't gone and got him earlier? He is only little, the longer you leave it the worse it will be.

Instead of writing on here all day today, why weren't you sorting something out? Going and talking to granny, your ex, the ladyboy whoever. Maybe even to have your child for a few days, to let everyone have a think about what is best for the wee mite. From the way you are writing, you don't seem to have much fight in you..

If you are of European stature, you may not fit in the metal box with a window.

And also, if he has a Thai birth certificate - does that not make him Thai? Can you not use that paper to get him his UK (I'd go Irish, if i was you!) passport? Why was this not sorted out when he was born?

You really have got yourself into a pickle, but i wish you good luck!!

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From the way you are writing, you don't seem to have much fight in you..
Im off tomorrow to get this sorted out .
Im going behind enemy lines on my own
On a rescue mission.
Do you want to come with me ?
I may need some back up.
Lets see who has the fight in them .
You coming with me ?
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The novelty of having must have worm off by now and they must now realise that they wont be getting a pay out from me .
His mother must also realise that he will be better off with me .
I think that they will be quite grateful of me for coming to collect him.
I will bring him back with me, I will them speak to his mother and make visiting arrangements for her and any issues will be solved amicably .
That is my forecast
Not going to happen, be prepared to pay something.

The girl I call my daughter is quite obviously not the fruit of my loins. I have however been responsible for her since she was about 3 or 4 months old. Short story long is that she was the offspring of the previous Mrsís very young brother (15) and even younger girlfriend (14). They couldnít handle the responsibility of taking care of a baby so the kid was handed over to the girlís mother. The grandmother had her own young kids to look after and the teenage father was unhappy about how his kid was being looked after. In the middle of one night we got a call from him saying he was on the train and would be in Bangkok in a few hours. He had essentially kidnapped his own kid and was bringing her to her older sister.

All was good and I was somewhat happy to take on the responsibility of being the father figure to this child. The only fly in the ointment came when we started thinking about sending her to school. If I recall correctly to get her into school, we needed her birth certificate and this was unfortunately still with the grandmother. My Mrs tried to get the grandmother to hand the birth certificate over but the grandmother refused on the basis that she had spent a lot of money on the kid while she had been taking care of her. Keep in mind that at this point the grandmother had looked after her for about three months and I had been looking after her for about three years. I jokingly suggested that instead of me paying them how about they take the kid back and pay me for the three years. They surprisingly didnít see the humour in that or even think it was a good idea.

My true reaction to the whole thing was that there was no way on earth that I was going to pay for another human being, that it was morally wrong and I could believe that they would even suggest it was an option. After all I was giving one of their blood relatives a much better life, surely they should be grateful and happy for what I was doing for one of their family members. The Mrs tried to talk me into it but I refused. Over the following months there were a few backwards and forwards discussions between the families and a handful of meetings and all of them basically said that to get the birth certificate something will have to be paid. I still refused on the basis that I am not buying another human.

About six months after we had requested the birth certificate my Mrs pitches up with it saying that the grandmother had given in and handed it over. Being the gullible fool I was at that time I believed her. What really happed was that she saved up the money over the six months and paid what the grandmother wanted. I didnít even click to what had happened until a couple of years later. At that time, we were negotiating with the birth mother to sign the kid over to my Mrs as being the legal guardian, but perhaps that may be a story for another time. For the guardianship I happily paid whatever the birth mother was asking as it just made our family life easier and complete.

When all of this happened I had been living in Thailand for about five years. I thought I had a good handle on Thailand and the culture but looking back on it I really had no idea. The people I was dealing with look on life in a completely different way and it was natural for them to ask for the money, whereas in my culture to pay for a piece of paper that really belonged to the daughter was wrong. My cultural beliefs mean nothing in Thailand when it came to doing the right thing for my kid. In this case it was better that I played by the local rules. e of paper that really belonged to the daughter was wrong

If I was to do again I would have just paid for the birth certificate and moved on. It really would have been a lot less stressful for everyone involved. I also now would absolutely not look at it as buying another person, I would see it as simply paying the grandmother for her services and getting what I needed.

You can be sure that you will most likely face the same when you try to take back you kid. They will ask for compensation for the time, effort and whatever miscellaneous expenses they can think of. My advice is use a lawyer to help negotiate this and just pay whatever the reasonable negotiated price is and move on with your life. If you donít pay you will spend more time, probably the same amount of money anyway and be completely stressed out.

TLDNR Ė You are in a culture that doesnít see things the way you do. Donít try to do this yourself, use a lawyer, negotiate a payment, make sure you and them know the terms and conditions of the payment, get you son back and move on with your life.
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Yeah, ask for advice and don't listen to anything, I hope they'll let you rot in the sweat box if any of this is happening outside your fantasy, stupid foking troll.
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I didnt ask for advice .
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From the way you are writing, you don't seem to have much fight in you..
Im off tomorrow to get this sorted out .
Im going behind enemy lines on my own
On a rescue mission.
Do you want to come with me ?
I may need some back up.
Lets see who has the fight in them .
You coming with me ?
Don't get bolshy. It's not me in this situation. It's you.

I would presume most men on here would have been banging on granny's door months ago. but not you, you seem to have come up with excuse after excuse.

If you pay my flight plus expenses - yup i'll come with you. but it may take a few weeks or months to sort my papers out... just like you.

I may have to have a little sit down in a temple on the way.

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I know, that may prove to be a problem.

But a seven hour drive after a 20 hour flight, you can iron out your differences.

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he should also be able to get Thai ID and Nationality when he completes his schooling at 16
Fluke, you know very little of Thailand even though you think you do. Thai ID cards are issued as from the age of 7 and the child must be registered in the blue house book. Has yer missus got a blue house book?

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Yep, My Mother told me to go and get my Son from the village
Man up Fluke and think for yer self.
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I wonder what the process is for a new birth certificate with all the changes required ? 500 baht ?
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I did go to the consulate to register his birth , but the Lady working there said that there was no need top , because the registration is just filed and nothing becomes of it
you got to be joking, right ? if you didn't fill that form, you are fucked, it was the only chance you had to "legitimize" your child
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he just lets him do what he likes , she thinks that being a good mother is being their best friend.
this is the Thai style, they all do it like that, it's a cultural thing, it's normal for here
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Fluke this is all too much. Get down to Bangkok and hook up with Lady Kai. You two are in the exact same place mentally. You will have access to money and influence.
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Hmmm..Yet another universal tale of irresponsible parenting.
You state that you wish to become sole caregiver to your beloved son.
One wonders why you did not take on that role when, as you have stated, your GF proved to be an irresponsible mother. Could you not have taken over the care and feeding of your son as many a dutiful, loving father would have done?
SorryÖ. a bit judgmental methinks since we do not and will never know the whole story.
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How about, meeting up with the mother, grandmother and perhaps another senior Thai who has some authority and having a discussion? Something along the lines of: this is a clusterfuk and we have all made mistakes, but let's put our differences aside and make a future for the little one. Firstly, we need to sort out the correct papers, nationality and a passport for him, a.s.a.p. Then, we need to consider his schooling and putting him through university, let's make a plan. &, of course, we want him to have the happiest life possible, and to some extent all of us too - how do we go about that in a way where we can all get along while foregrounding the child's future?

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