What makes terrorists?

**HermantheGerman** · 21-10-2006, 12:24 PM

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The same way I can ask questions such as:

Have you, lately, seen any Muslim country invading another country and killing indiscriminately? The answer is No. Unfortunately, only western armies do that.

The Quran is no different from the Bible so to speak. The only difference is that the Quran has not been edited since the beginning where as the Bible has been edited thousands of times.[/quote]

Again, you have almost answered the question yourself?
Your key word is LATELY ! Muslim countries are so far back that they don't have the means to run off for war. THANK GOD!
But don't worry, they don't realy need to be invaded. They are terrorising their own population enough already.

**ceburat** · 21-10-2006, 12:52 PM

Try reading the Koran, verses 5:32 thru 5:37. A very peaceful religion.

Right?

**Sir Burr** · 21-10-2006, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Why will democracy never work in a muslim country?

What about:-

Turkey
Malaysia
Indonesia
Bangladesh
Pakistan (intermittently)
Tunisia
Morocco

Democracy seems to fail more in Bhuddist countries more than Muslim countries:-

Nepal
Thailand
Sri Lanka

**ceburat** · 21-10-2006, 12:57 PM

[quote=humphrey;196323]

Originally Posted by ceburat;195869Have you ever see a white man from the west walk into a Muslim Business place and blow himself up killing many women and children. Only Islamics do that.

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No I haven't, yet I have read and heard and seen 'smart' bombs rip into an apartment block and kill women, children, the elderly. These were ordered by 'white' men.

If those people fight like cowards and hide amongst women and children or park their missel launchers right next to aprartments/houses. What do you expect?

**Mhz** · 21-10-2006, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by Mhz

You know Ceburat, I thought you were a sensible guy but I have to admit that you are no different from all those fart-knockers that one encounters on many dicussion forums.

What is it Mhz? Every one must agree with you in every detail to be on the good guy list. Sorry to inform you - different strokes for different folks.

I dont care and it is no problem that you disagree with me and my views. It's your views that makes me feel ignorant.

Now tell me aren't you the one wishing for the death of all Muslims on this planet??

**humphrey** · 21-10-2006, 12:59 PM

[quote=ceburat;196340]

Originally Posted by humphrey

Originally Posted by ceburat;195869Have you ever see a white man from the west walk into a Muslim Business place and blow himself up killing many women and children. Only Islamics do that.

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No I haven't, yet I have read and heard and seen 'smart' bombs rip into an apartment block and kill women, children, the elderly. These were ordered by 'white' men.

If those people fight like cowards and hide amongst women and children or park their missel launchers right next to aprartments/houses. What do you expect?

You've gotta be kidding me, right?

**ceburat** · 21-10-2006, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Mhz

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by Mhz

You know Ceburat, I thought you were a sensible guy but I have to admit that you are no different from all those fart-knockers that one encounters on many dicussion forums.

What is it Mhz? Every one must agree with you in every detail to be on the good guy list. Sorry to inform you - different strokes for different folks.

I dont care and it is no problem that you disagree with me and my views. It's your views that makes me feel ignorant.

Now tell me aren't you the one wishing for the death of all Muslims on this planet??

No. Only death for militants,terrorists, etc.

Try reading the Koran 5:32 thru 5:37. Not just the part of 5:32 that says only good things.

Why do my views make you feel ignorant?

**ceburat** · 21-10-2006, 01:10 PM

[quote=humphrey;196342]

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by humphrey

Originally Posted by ceburat;195869Have you ever see a white man from the west walk into a Muslim Business place and blow himself up killing many women and children. Only Islamics do that.

[/quote

No I haven't, yet I have read and heard and seen 'smart' bombs rip into an apartment block and kill women, children, the elderly. These were ordered by 'white' men.

If those people fight like cowards and hide amongst women and children or park their missel launchers right next to aprartments/houses. What do you expect?

You've gotta be kidding me, right?

sounds like a butterfly to me!

**humphrey** · 21-10-2006, 01:17 PM

Sorry, don't understand.

**Mhz** · 21-10-2006, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Ceburat

No, I am not angry.

Yes you are, infact you are very very angry.

Originally Posted by Ceburat

Going into Irak was a noble move. The US is not envolved in state-terrorism except in the minds of mis-guided people.

In what way is it a noble cause?? How many millions iof Americans and Brits are against the war?? Are they all misguided??

Originally Posted by Ceburat

911 was mass murder of innocent people. Who flew the planes? What religion were they? What organization were they representing?

What about the massacre in Haditha? What about the rape of the 14 years old girl and the killing of her all family members in Mahmuddiya?? What about the Mai Lai massacre? What about Abu Gharib?? What about Guantanamo Bay?? PHEW... I can keep ion going on and on and on.

Originally Posted by Ceburat

Why do you and others talk down Israelis. They are good people who would be peachfull if people would leave them alone.

Why? You wanna know Why??

Okay so here we go. Israelis have been slaughtering Palestinians and Lebonese for decades. The Israeli arnmy is countinously involved in kidnapping of innocent civilians and there are 9k+ people in Israeli prisons held wuith out anycharge for more than a decade. One of the Rabbis thinks that one million Arabs are not worth one jewish fingernail.

Right now this all I can think of if you want more I can bring it for you.

Originally Posted by Ceburat

The bottom line is this. I am an american fighting man. I am prepared to give my life in the defense of my country, etc, etc, etc. I might add as was said before by a better man than me, I regret that I have but one life to give for my country. I love America. I voted for GWB and support him 100 percent. And, I might add again, all of the above goes without killing innocent women and children.

Good for you, you should be prepared to sacrifice your everything for your country. If your country is under attack and I repeat if your country is under attack. Yeah 9/11 was bad and i totally disagree with the people who committed those terrorist acts.

Now do you realise that like you every person is ready to sacrifice his/her life for their country?? Why do you call the people who fight against an invading army Terrorists??

**Mhz** · 21-10-2006, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by Mhz

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by Mhz

You know Ceburat, I thought you were a sensible guy but I have to admit that you are no different from all those fart-knockers that one encounters on many dicussion forums.

What is it Mhz? Every one must agree with you in every detail to be on the good guy list. Sorry to inform you - different strokes for different folks.

I dont care and it is no problem that you disagree with me and my views. It's your views that makes me feel ignorant.

Now tell me aren't you the one wishing for the death of all Muslims on this planet??

No. Only death for militants,terrorists, etc.

Try reading the Koran 5:32 thru 5:37. Not just the part of 5:32 that says only good things.

Why do my views make you feel ignorant?

Oh so you do agree that there are good things in the Quran? I thought that the Quran is a hand book of destruction.

I am glad that you read the Quran but try to understand as well otherwise there is no difference between you and those fokwit terroists.

**ceburat** · 21-10-2006, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by humphrey

Sorry, don't understand.

that understandable

**HermantheGerman** · 21-10-2006, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Why will democracy never work in a muslim country?

What about:-

Turkey
Malaysia
Indonesia
Bangladesh
Pakistan (intermittently)
Tunisia
Morocco

Democracy seems to fail more in Bhuddist countries more than Muslim countries:-

Nepal
Thailand
Sri Lanka

Which county do you want to dicuss first?
Lets take Turkey!
Why has the European Union just warnend Turkey again about their democracy/human rights issue?
Type in at Google: "Turkey is no democracy" I think you be busy for the rest of the day....and then we will discuss the other countries.

P.S. Have to admit though that Turkey is an islamic country that come closest to democracy.

**ceburat** · 21-10-2006, 01:40 PM

Who was invading when terrorist blew up a night club in Bali?

Who was invading when terrorist caused 911?

I don't call armies or members of an army terrorists. There is a difference.

**humphrey** · 21-10-2006, 01:42 PM

Simple question.
What's a butterfly?

**ceburat** · 21-10-2006, 01:52 PM

[quote=Mhz;

Oh so you do agree that there are good things in the Quran? I thought that the Quran is a hand book of destruction.

I am glad that you read the Quran but try to understand as well otherwise there is no difference between you and those fokwit terroists.[/quote]

Yes Mhz, there is some good in the Koran. But, not all is good there.

Some apologists only quote a part of 5:32. I understand what they are doing--trying to keep the peace, I hope, unless they are just trying to deceive.

Other's use the full and correct interpretation of 5:32 and 5:33 to the full extent, thus, the problem.

Islamics need to police their own. Have you read the news today? Mr. Mabarik of Egypt. (sorry I mis-spelled his name-good man).
He states something to the fact that, Muslims are responsible for their own bad reputation and need to clean up their act.

**Butterfly** · 21-10-2006, 01:56 PM

ceburat, you do seem very angry. 911 maybe ?

Your constant circle arguments reminds me very much of kerux who keeps ignoring or fail to understand the arguments of others.

You just reinforced my idea that you and kerux are made of the same mold and belongs to the same group of people, clueless religious zealots. The only difference is that kerux is at least more entertaining

**Sir Burr** · 21-10-2006, 01:59 PM

Gents,

This is the issues forum. lets keep it civilized and quit the personal insults.

PS. This is an official moderator's notice.

**Butterfly** · 21-10-2006, 02:04 PM

^ oh no, you are a mod too !!!

PS: Why didn't I get the memo

**HermantheGerman** · 21-10-2006, 02:08 PM

Mhz

Since you are sooooooooo concerned about the Palis but forgot the other refugees......

The Real Refugees
Most of the world is ignoring the real catastrophe of the past recent era: the brutal expulsion of some 867,000 Jews from Arab countries, and the seizure, by the Arab governments, of over $13-billion worth of Jewish property and assets.
Estimates of the number of Arabs who fled the newly-created State of Israel in 1948 (i.e. from the area inside Israel's pre-1967 borders) vary from 430,000 to 957,000, depending on who you ask. The most reliable figure appears to be 539,000.
Are you good in math Mhz? Do you get my point?
I feel sorry for every refugee in this world muslim or jew. It is a tragedy. But why do muslims (especially you) make it such a ONE sided issue.

Not to mention the refugees in Africa that some fucked up islamic country ( I'am talking about millions not a handfull of Palis) is terrorizing.

..... I have one question for you. Why have some Pali refugees been offered money and new homes to settle down, but the Pali Gov. has refused the offer? Even though many Pali refugees would have LOVED to take that offer!
The answer is:
"In general, one can say that Arab governments regarded the destruction of the State of Israel as a more pressing matter than the welfare of the Palestinian refugees. Palestinian bitterness and anger had to be kept alive. It was clear that this could best be done by ensuring that a great many Palestinians Arabs continued to live under sub-normal conditions, the victims of hunger and poverty. No Arab Government preached this as a defined policy; most Arab Governments tacitly put it into practice."

Do you know how many homeless people, refugees, etc. we had after and during WW II.
The tragedy in Palestine/Israel is not the first-last-only in this world.

**HermantheGerman** · 21-10-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

ceburat, you do seem very angry. 911 maybe ?

Your constant circle arguments reminds me very much of kerux who keeps ignoring or fail to understand the arguments of others.

You just reinforced my idea that you and kerux are made of the same mold and belongs to the same group of people, clueless religious zealots. The only difference is that kerux is at least more entertaining

.....and you are more insulting!

**Mhz** · 21-10-2006, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Why will democracy never work in a muslim country?

What about:-

Turkey
Malaysia
Indonesia
Bangladesh
Pakistan (intermittently)
Tunisia
Morocco

Democracy seems to fail more in Bhuddist countries more than Muslim countries:-

Nepal
Thailand
Sri Lanka

Which county do you want to dicuss first?
Lets take Turkey!
Why has the European Union just warnend Turkey again about their democracy/human rights issue?
Type in at Google: "Turkey is no democracy" I think you be busy for the rest of the day....and then we will discuss the other countries.

P.S. Have to admit though that Turkey is an islamic country that come closest to democracy.

What about the American government and it's torture calls?? How many times the U.N asked the U.S.A to close guantanamo bay?? What about the illegally held prisoners by the Israelis??

**Mhz** · 21-10-2006, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Mhz

Since you are sooooooooo concerned about the Palis but forgot the other refugees......

The Real Refugees
Most of the world is ignoring the real catastrophe of the past recent era: the brutal expulsion of some 867,000 Jews from Arab countries, and the seizure, by the Arab governments, of over $13-billion worth of Jewish property and assets.
Estimates of the number of Arabs who fled the newly-created State of Israel in 1948 (i.e. from the area inside Israel's pre-1967 borders) vary from 430,000 to 957,000, depending on who you ask. The most reliable figure appears to be 539,000.
Are you good in math Mhz? Do you get my point?
I feel sorry for every refugee in this world muslim or jew. It is a tragedy. But why do muslims (especially you) make it such a ONE sided issue.

Not to mention the refugees in Africa that some fucked up islamic country ( I'am talking about millions not a handfull of Palis) is terrorizing.

..... I have one question for you. Why have some Pali refugees been offered money and new homes to settle down, but the Pali Gov. has refused the offer? Even though many Pali refugees would have LOVED to take that offer!
The answer is:
"In general, one can say that Arab governments regarded the destruction of the State of Israel as a more pressing matter than the welfare of the Palestinian refugees. Palestinian bitterness and anger had to be kept alive. It was clear that this could best be done by ensuring that a great many Palestinians Arabs continued to live under sub-normal conditions, the victims of hunger and poverty. No Arab Government preached this as a defined policy; most Arab Governments tacitly put it into practice."

Do you know how many homeless people, refugees, etc. we had after and during WW II.
The tragedy in Palestine/Israel is not the first-last-only in this world.

Refugees in their own land??

Yes many Arabs want Israel destroyed because .........

They kill mothers with their babies

They maimed young children

They burn toddlers to death

They burn youngsters

They shoot for the head

Even head shots on children

And more children

Jewish settlers threw a molotov cocktail at this child.

This is what she looked like after "reparative surgery"

Fathers lose their sons

Sons lose their hands

Some almost lose their lives

Young girls are disfigured

Never to marry. . . .

Other children are buried alive in rubble

Burned to death in his home

Shot dead sitting on the street

Buried in rubble

They attack refugees in their sleep; with machine guns

Rocket attacks burn others to death in their homes

Helicopter gunships destroy homes

Jewish settlers abduct Palestinians and beat them
to death.

The settlers showed no mercy: skinning the man alive on his back. . . .

and his legs

THey gun down unarmed civilians in the street

They burn down Palestinian homes
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They send whole families fleeing

They brutally arrest little children

They shoot older children who dare protest

They drag pre-teens to arrest

The young throw stones

While Israelis break bones

The message from Jews is clear

And so are the results:
Mom shot dead in front of child

They die in the night

They die in the day

They are gassed in their houses of Worship

Their Olive Orchards are bulldozed.

Their homes are wrecked

Even the Holiest site of Christians, the Church of The Nativity, where
Jesus was born, is not spared by the Israelis!

They are set-up for death on the street

They surrender and cooperate. . . .

They submit totally

Get publicly stripped to their underwear. . . .

Then get shot in the head in cold blood.

But it is called "fighting terror."

Young girls, shot dead.

A father and son caught in a cross fire

The father pleads "Don't shoot" while the terrified son hides.

Father tries to shield his son and look for escape. . .

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But the brutal Israelis open fire. . . .

The son is dead in his fathers lap;
the father is critically wounded
Refugee camps are not safe haven

They kill Arab men. . . .
They kill Arab women. . .
They literally blow the heads off Arab babies.
(Soldier hands decapitated baby to rescuer.)
They use smoke machines to hide their activities from the media
hey use tanks on public buildings
They bulldoze private houses
Children playing with toys are burned to death.
They hit people with heavy artillery
Frail old men are not spared
Bulldozers rip their bodies apart
Others are burned almost to death.
Peaceful protesters are Gassed
hey even piss on Palestinian buildings!
They threaten Catholic Priests with tanks
They use stun grenades on unarmed people
They use tear gas on people merely walking the streets.

And they terrorize even young Arabs by aiming assault weapons at them.
So tell me Herman are they all terrorists?? Does Israel want to live peacefully??

Most of the pics are horrendous and gory.
I deleted a lot.
To be found here: Relocate
Stroller

**Mhz** · 21-10-2006, 03:59 PM

Now dont come with shit like they were launching rockets on Israelis and Blah Blah Blah. Many of the pictures including this one are of civilians and refugees what you call them.

So tell me why is the YID holding an assault rifle at the child?? Is it because he is strapped with a bomb??

Who would want to be a refugees like these?? I dont.

**Mhz** · 21-10-2006, 04:02 PM

I know the reply already. It might be

Oh they asked for it.

They support terrorists.

They send their children to blow innocent Israelis.

The media is Biased.

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