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Begbie · 19-11-2006, 03:04 PM

The salary of the chief executive of a large corporation is not a market award for achievement. It is frequently in the nature of a warm personal gesture by the individual to himself.

John Kenneth Galbraith

Niteowl · 20-11-2006, 01:43 AM

Prejudice is a burden that confuses the past, threatens the future and renders the present inaccessible.

- Maya Angelou

Niteowl · 20-11-2006, 01:45 AM

Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise.

- Maya Angelou

stroller · 25-11-2006, 10:03 PM

After every ''victory'' you have more enemies.

~Jeanette Winterson

stroller · 25-11-2006, 10:04 PM

War is fear cloaked in courage.

~General William Westmoreland

seth106 · 14-12-2006, 09:49 PM

"The state welcomes only those forms of cultural activity which help it to maintain its power. It persecutes with implacable hatred any activity which oversteps the limits set by it and calls its existence into question. It is, therefore, as senseless as it is mendacious to speak of a ‘state culture‘; for it is precisely the state which lives in constant warfare with all higher forms of intellectual culture and always tries to avoid the creative will of culture." (Rocker, Culture and Nationalism, Michael E. Coughlan, 1978, p.85)

The stakes, Rocker noted, are high:

"If the state does not succeed in guiding the cultural forces within its sphere of power into courses favourable to its ends, and thus inhibit the growth of higher forms, these very higher forms will sooner or later destroy the political frame which they rightly regard as a hindrance." (Rocker, p.83)

seth106 · 14-12-2006, 09:51 PM

“Education is character development, harmonious completion of human personality. But what the state accomplishes in this field is dull drill, extinction of natural feeling, narrowing of the spiritual field of vision, destruction of all the deeper elements of character in man. The state can train subjects... but it can never develop free men who take their affairs into their own hands; for independent thought is the greatest danger that it has to fear.” (Rocker, p.190)

seth106 · 14-12-2006, 10:11 PM

"Only in freedom does there arise in man the consciousness of responsibility for his acts and regard for the rights of others; only in freedom can there unfold in its full strength that most precious social instinct: man's sympathy for the joys and sorrows of his fellow men and the resultant impulse toward mutual aid in which are rooted all social ethics, all ideas of social justice." (Rocker, p.148)

seth106 · 14-12-2006, 10:13 PM

A few hundred years earlier, the Indian philosopher Nagarjuna said much the same thing:

“Not doing harm to others,
Not bowing down to the ignoble,
Not abandoning the path of virtue –
These are small points, but of great
Importance.” (Nagarjuna and Sakya Pandit, Elegant Sayings, Dharma Publishing, 1977, p.12)

Boon Mee · 21-12-2006, 04:33 PM

"You may find people who will contend that patriotism is something to be a little bit embarrassed about or that honor is somewhat outdated as a notion and that concentrating on America's imperfection makes you a realist. Not so. That's a sign of a cynic. Being a cynic is easy. You can just sit back, heckle from the cheap seats while others serve, storm the beaches, build nations, meet their destinies. Idealists write history's stirring chapters; cynics read those chapters and seem not to understand. Choose to be an idealist. There have always been those who contend that what's wrong with the world is America. Don't believe it"

--Donald Rumsfeld

stroller · 26-12-2006, 07:04 PM

PATRIOT, n. One to whom the interests of a part seem superior to those of the whole. The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors.
--Ambrose Bierce

Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them! ~Albert Einstein

RDN · 26-12-2006, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stroller

PATRIOT, n. One to whom the interests of a part seem superior to those of the whole. The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors.
--Ambrose Bierce

Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them! ~Albert Einstein

Ambrose Bierce

Quote:

His dark, sardonic views and vehemence as a critic earned him the nickname, "Bitter Bierce."

Albert Einstein

Quote:

"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."

OK, Einstein, if you don't want to fight, just say so.

stroller · 26-12-2006, 11:22 PM

Yeah, Bierce is good, more:

"Every patriot believes his country better than any other country . . . In its active manifestation—it is fond of killing—patriotism would be well enough if it were simply defensive, but it is also aggressive . . . Patriotism deliberately and with folly aforethought subordinates the interests of a whole to the interests of a part . . . Patriotism is fierce as a fever, pitiless as the grave and blind as a stone."

“Corporation: An ingenious device for obtaining profit without individual responsibility.”

“Religion. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.”

Boon Mee · 27-12-2006, 08:21 AM

"Liberal: A power worshiper without power." --George Orwell

Roc · 27-12-2006, 09:38 AM

Why has noddy got a big hat and a bell?
'I'll tell you why cos he's a c#nt'! --Ricky Gervais

Hootad Binky · 27-12-2006, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

"Liberal: A power worshiper without power." --George Orwell

Conservative: A Liberal who got mugged.
-P.J. O'Rouke

RDN · 07-01-2007, 02:15 AM

The great nations have always acted like gangsters, and the small nations like prostitutes - Stanley Kubrick

stroller · 14-01-2007, 10:30 PM

I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center.
--Kurt Vonnegut

A purpose of human life, no matter who is controlling it, is to love whoever is around to be loved.
--Kurt Vonnegut

Boon Mee · 16-01-2007, 11:12 PM

War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over -- Gen William T. Sherman

Boon Mee · 19-01-2007, 12:10 PM

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the President"

--Hillary Clinton

14-12-2006, 09:49 PM	#86 (permalink)
seth106 Koh Phangan Last Online: 27-04-2008 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Not quite sure really Posts: 634	"The state welcomes only those forms of cultural activity which help it to maintain its power. It persecutes with implacable hatred any activity which oversteps the limits set by it and calls its existence into question. It is, therefore, as senseless as it is mendacious to speak of a ‘state culture‘; for it is precisely the state which lives in constant warfare with all higher forms of intellectual culture and always tries to avoid the creative will of culture." (Rocker, Culture and Nationalism, Michael E. Coughlan, 1978, p.85) The stakes, Rocker noted, are high: "If the state does not succeed in guiding the cultural forces within its sphere of power into courses favourable to its ends, and thus inhibit the growth of higher forms, these very higher forms will sooner or later destroy the political frame which they rightly regard as a hindrance." (Rocker, p.83) __________________ Jah Rastafari

21-12-2006, 04:33 PM	#90 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 20-08-2008 06:39 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,673	"You may find people who will contend that patriotism is something to be a little bit embarrassed about or that honor is somewhat outdated as a notion and that concentrating on America's imperfection makes you a realist. Not so. That's a sign of a cynic. Being a cynic is easy. You can just sit back, heckle from the cheap seats while others serve, storm the beaches, build nations, meet their destinies. Idealists write history's stirring chapters; cynics read those chapters and seem not to understand. Choose to be an idealist. There have always been those who contend that what's wrong with the world is America. Don't believe it" --Donald Rumsfeld __________________ ผมเป็นคนบ้านนอก Last edited by Boon Mee : 21-12-2006 at 04:39 PM.

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19-11-2006, 03:04 PM	#81 (permalink)
Begbie Senior Member Last Online: Today 04:40 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lagrangian Point Posts: 5,113	The salary of the chief executive of a large corporation is not a market award for achievement. It is frequently in the nature of a warm personal gesture by the individual to himself. John Kenneth Galbraith

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Niteowl Ao Nang Last Online: 11-03-2008 04:41 AM Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 126	Prejudice is a burden that confuses the past, threatens the future and renders the present inaccessible. - Maya Angelou

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Niteowl Ao Nang Last Online: 11-03-2008 04:41 AM Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 126	Most plain girls are virtuous because of the scarcity of opportunity to be otherwise. - Maya Angelou

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stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 10:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	After every ''victory'' you have more enemies. ~Jeanette Winterson

25-11-2006, 10:04 PM	#85 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 10:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	War is fear cloaked in courage. ~General William Westmoreland

14-12-2006, 09:51 PM	#87 (permalink)
seth106 Koh Phangan Last Online: 27-04-2008 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Not quite sure really Posts: 634	“Education is character development, harmonious completion of human personality. But what the state accomplishes in this field is dull drill, extinction of natural feeling, narrowing of the spiritual field of vision, destruction of all the deeper elements of character in man. The state can train subjects... but it can never develop free men who take their affairs into their own hands; for independent thought is the greatest danger that it has to fear.” (Rocker, p.190)

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seth106 Koh Phangan Last Online: 27-04-2008 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Not quite sure really Posts: 634	"Only in freedom does there arise in man the consciousness of responsibility for his acts and regard for the rights of others; only in freedom can there unfold in its full strength that most precious social instinct: man's sympathy for the joys and sorrows of his fellow men and the resultant impulse toward mutual aid in which are rooted all social ethics, all ideas of social justice." (Rocker, p.148)

14-12-2006, 10:13 PM	#89 (permalink)
seth106 Koh Phangan Last Online: 27-04-2008 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Not quite sure really Posts: 634	A few hundred years earlier, the Indian philosopher Nagarjuna said much the same thing: “Not doing harm to others, Not bowing down to the ignoble, Not abandoning the path of virtue – These are small points, but of great Importance.” (Nagarjuna and Sakya Pandit, Elegant Sayings, Dharma Publishing, 1977, p.12)

26-12-2006, 07:04 PM	#91 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 10:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	PATRIOT, n. One to whom the interests of a part seem superior to those of the whole. The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors. --Ambrose Bierce Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them! ~Albert Einstein

26-12-2006, 11:22 PM	#93 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 10:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	Yeah, Bierce is good, more: "Every patriot believes his country better than any other country . . . In its active manifestation—it is fond of killing—patriotism would be well enough if it were simply defensive, but it is also aggressive . . . Patriotism deliberately and with folly aforethought subordinates the interests of a whole to the interests of a part . . . Patriotism is fierce as a fever, pitiless as the grave and blind as a stone." “Corporation: An ingenious device for obtaining profit without individual responsibility.” “Religion. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.”

27-12-2006, 08:21 AM	#94 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 20-08-2008 06:39 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,673	"Liberal: A power worshiper without power." --George Orwell

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RDN Khun Marmite Last Online: 15-05-2007 12:41 AM Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ราไวย์, ภูเก็ต Posts: 3,511	The great nations have always acted like gangsters, and the small nations like prostitutes - Stanley Kubrick

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stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 10:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center. --Kurt Vonnegut A purpose of human life, no matter who is controlling it, is to love whoever is around to be loved. --Kurt Vonnegut

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Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 20-08-2008 06:39 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,673	War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over -- Gen William T. Sherman

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Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: 20-08-2008 06:39 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,673	"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the President" --Hillary Clinton

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