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stroller · 16-10-2006, 08:34 PM

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
- Epicurus

stroller · 16-10-2006, 08:35 PM

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken

seth106 · 16-10-2006, 10:16 PM

Each of the Iraqi children killed by the United States was our child. Each of the prisoners tortured in Abu Ghraib was our comrade. Each of their screams was ours. When they were humiliated, we were humiliated. The U.S. soldiers fighting in Iraq - mostly volunteers in a poverty draft from small towns and poor urban neighborhoods - are victims just as much as the Iraqis of the same horrendous process, which asks them to die for a victory that will never be theirs: Source: Arundhati Roy, "Tide? Or Ivory Snow? Public Power in the Age of Empire," Arundhati Roy: Public Power in the Age of Empire

flash · 16-10-2006, 10:24 PM

In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced
to talk to God.

Braveheart

seth106 · 16-10-2006, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flash

In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced
to talk to God.

Braveheart

and share a pint or three

seth106 · 16-10-2006, 10:43 PM

Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle: Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people for a purpose which is unattainable." : U.S. historian Howard Zinn, 1993

"If a country develops an economic system that is based on how to pay for the war, and if the amounts of fixed capital investment that are apparent are tied up in armaments, and if that country is a major exporter of arms, and its industrial fabric is dependent on them, then it would be in that country's interests to ensure that it always had a market. It is not an exaggeration to say that it is clearly in the interests of the world's leading arms exporters to make sure that there is always a war going on somewhere.": Marilyn Waring - Source: Documentary 'Who's Counting', based on her book 'Counting for Nothing'.

seth106 · 17-10-2006, 02:32 PM

"If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot,

therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual." : Frank Herbert

"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do." : William Blake

kingwilly · 17-10-2006, 07:48 PM

"I have seen several entirely sincere people who thought they were (permanent) Seekers after Truth. They sought diligently, persistently, carefully, cautiously, profoundly, with perfect honesty and nicely adjusted judgment--until they believed that without doubt or question they had found the Truth. That was the end of the search. The man spent the rest of his life hunting up shingles wherewith to protect his Truth from the weather. If he was seeking after political Truth he found it in one or another of the hundred political gospels which govern men in the earth; if he was seeking after the Only True Religion he found it in one or another of the three thousand that are on the market. In any case, when he found the Truth he sought no further; but from that day forth, with his soldering-iron in one hand and his bludgeon in the other he tinkered its leaks and reasoned with objectors." (from What is Man?) -- Mark Twain

kingwilly · 17-10-2006, 07:51 PM

"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them." The Quotable Bertrand Russell p. 138

RDN · 17-10-2006, 08:02 PM

"At present, intelligent people do not have their children vaccinated, nor does the law now compel them to. The result is not, as the Jennerians prophesied, the extermination of the human race by smallpox; on the contrary more people are now killed by vaccination than by smallpox."

--George Bernard Shaw (August 9, 1944, the Irish Times)

What a dick head.

attaboy · 17-10-2006, 11:06 PM

ray is always the other person. - Jean-Paul Sartre

seth106 · 18-10-2006, 12:02 PM

" ... No "terrorist" gene is known to exist or is likely to be found... Surely the(y), and their supporters were afflicted by something that caused their metamorphosis from normal human beings capable of gentleness and affection into desperate, maddened, fiends with nothing but murder in their hearts and minds. What was that? Simple logic says that we must go to the roots of terror. Only a fool can believe that the services of a suicidal terrorist can be purchased, or that they can be bred at will anywhere: Ouch Borith: Permanent Representative Of The Kingdom Of Cambodia To The UN: 10/03/2001

cali kid · 18-10-2006, 12:44 PM

Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing.( especially in Thailand )

"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." .

Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school.

-- Albert Einstein

seth106 · 18-10-2006, 01:13 PM

"When a politician says to you, 'Jack, if there's anything I can do for you, just let me know,' that means you're dead." As JFK once told Gore Vidal:

seth106 · 18-10-2006, 03:17 PM

So that confident strut of the Bush gang, their incessant upbeat pronouncements about the war, their complacent smirks, their callous indifference to the unspeakable horror they have unleashed upon the world – these are not the hallmarks of self-delusion, or wilful ignorance, or a disassociation from reality. They know full well what the reality is – and they like it. Chris Floyd 2006

Roxy · 18-10-2006, 05:16 PM

We Would Rather Do Business With 1000 Terrorists Than With One Jew.

Goldberg's Funeral Home (USA)

seth106 · 19-10-2006, 10:00 PM

American preachers have a task more difficult, perhaps, than those faced by us under South Africa's apartheid, or Christians under Communism.

We had obvious evils to engage; you have to unwrap your culture from years of red, white and blue myth. You have to expose, and confront, the great disconnect between the kindness, compassion and caring of most American people, and the ruthless way American power is experienced, directly and indirectly, by the poor of the earth.

You have to help good people see how they have let their institutions do their sinning for them. This is not easy among people who really believe that their country does nothing but good, but it is necessary, not only for their future, but for us all.

--Peter Storey, former president of the Methodist Church of South Africa

stroller · 20-10-2006, 01:42 PM

George Bernard Shaw:

Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it.

attaboy · 20-10-2006, 02:06 PM

Hell is other people. - Jean-Paul Sartre

seth106 · 20-10-2006, 09:45 PM

"America did not invent human rights. In a very real sense, it is the other way around. Human rights invented America." : Jimmy Carter - [James Earl Carter] (1924- ) 39th US President

"From the equality of rights springs identity of our highest interests; you cannot subvert your neighbor's rights without striking a dangerous blow at your own.": Carl Schurz - (1829-1906) German-born, US General, US Senator (MO), Founded the Liberal Republican movement

"Law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." : Thomas Jefferson - (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President

"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except Negroes and foreigners and Catholics.' When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy hypocrisy.": Abraham Lincoln - (1809-1865) 16th US President

16-10-2006, 10:16 PM	#23 (permalink)
seth106 Koh Phangan Last Online: 27-04-2008 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Not quite sure really Posts: 634	Each of the Iraqi children killed by the United States was our child. Each of the prisoners tortured in Abu Ghraib was our comrade. Each of their screams was ours. When they were humiliated, we were humiliated. The U.S. soldiers fighting in Iraq - mostly volunteers in a poverty draft from small towns and poor urban neighborhoods - are victims just as much as the Iraqis of the same horrendous process, which asks them to die for a victory that will never be theirs: Source: Arundhati Roy, "Tide? Or Ivory Snow? Public Power in the Age of Empire," Arundhati Roy: Public Power in the Age of Empire __________________ Jah Rastafari

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kingwilly spirit was irrepressible Last Online: Yesterday 01:14 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 21,352	"I have seen several entirely sincere people who thought they were (permanent) Seekers after Truth. They sought diligently, persistently, carefully, cautiously, profoundly, with perfect honesty and nicely adjusted judgment--until they believed that without doubt or question they had found the Truth. That was the end of the search. The man spent the rest of his life hunting up shingles wherewith to protect his Truth from the weather. If he was seeking after political Truth he found it in one or another of the hundred political gospels which govern men in the earth; if he was seeking after the Only True Religion he found it in one or another of the three thousand that are on the market. In any case, when he found the Truth he sought no further; but from that day forth, with his soldering-iron in one hand and his bludgeon in the other he tinkered its leaks and reasoned with objectors." (from What is Man?) -- Mark Twain __________________

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16-10-2006, 08:34 PM	#21 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 10:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus

16-10-2006, 08:35 PM	#22 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 10:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." -- H. L. Mencken

16-10-2006, 10:24 PM	#24 (permalink)
flash Fag an bealac! Last Online: Today 06:57 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 53 00 N, 8 00 W Posts: 2,057	In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God. Braveheart

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seth106 Koh Phangan Last Online: 27-04-2008 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Not quite sure really Posts: 634	Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle: Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people for a purpose which is unattainable." : U.S. historian Howard Zinn, 1993 "If a country develops an economic system that is based on how to pay for the war, and if the amounts of fixed capital investment that are apparent are tied up in armaments, and if that country is a major exporter of arms, and its industrial fabric is dependent on them, then it would be in that country's interests to ensure that it always had a market. It is not an exaggeration to say that it is clearly in the interests of the world's leading arms exporters to make sure that there is always a war going on somewhere.": Marilyn Waring - Source: Documentary 'Who's Counting', based on her book 'Counting for Nothing'.

17-10-2006, 02:32 PM	#27 (permalink)
seth106 Koh Phangan Last Online: 27-04-2008 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Not quite sure really Posts: 634	"If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual." : Frank Herbert "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do." : William Blake

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kingwilly spirit was irrepressible Last Online: Yesterday 01:14 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 21,352	"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the gods of Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them." The Quotable Bertrand Russell p. 138

17-10-2006, 11:06 PM	#31 (permalink)
attaboy Elite Member Last Online: Today 06:47 AM Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,975	ray is always the other person. - Jean-Paul Sartre

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seth106 Koh Phangan Last Online: 27-04-2008 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Not quite sure really Posts: 634	" ... No "terrorist" gene is known to exist or is likely to be found... Surely the(y), and their supporters were afflicted by something that caused their metamorphosis from normal human beings capable of gentleness and affection into desperate, maddened, fiends with nothing but murder in their hearts and minds. What was that? Simple logic says that we must go to the roots of terror. Only a fool can believe that the services of a suicidal terrorist can be purchased, or that they can be bred at will anywhere: Ouch Borith: Permanent Representative Of The Kingdom Of Cambodia To The UN: 10/03/2001

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cali kid Ban Lean Pho Last Online: 10-07-2008 03:55 PM Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chiang mai Posts: 967	Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing.( especially in Thailand ) "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." . Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school. -- Albert Einstein

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seth106 Koh Phangan Last Online: 27-04-2008 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Not quite sure really Posts: 634	"When a politician says to you, 'Jack, if there's anything I can do for you, just let me know,' that means you're dead." As JFK once told Gore Vidal:

18-10-2006, 03:17 PM	#35 (permalink)
seth106 Koh Phangan Last Online: 27-04-2008 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Not quite sure really Posts: 634	So that confident strut of the Bush gang, their incessant upbeat pronouncements about the war, their complacent smirks, their callous indifference to the unspeakable horror they have unleashed upon the world – these are not the hallmarks of self-delusion, or wilful ignorance, or a disassociation from reality. They know full well what the reality is – and they like it. Chris Floyd 2006

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Roxy Surat Thani Last Online: 28-10-2006 12:50 AM Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 159	We Would Rather Do Business With 1000 Terrorists Than With One Jew. Goldberg's Funeral Home (USA)

19-10-2006, 10:00 PM	#37 (permalink)
seth106 Koh Phangan Last Online: 27-04-2008 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Not quite sure really Posts: 634	American preachers have a task more difficult, perhaps, than those faced by us under South Africa's apartheid, or Christians under Communism. We had obvious evils to engage; you have to unwrap your culture from years of red, white and blue myth. You have to expose, and confront, the great disconnect between the kindness, compassion and caring of most American people, and the ruthless way American power is experienced, directly and indirectly, by the poor of the earth. You have to help good people see how they have let their institutions do their sinning for them. This is not easy among people who really believe that their country does nothing but good, but it is necessary, not only for their future, but for us all. --Peter Storey, former president of the Methodist Church of South Africa

20-10-2006, 01:42 PM	#38 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 10:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	George Bernard Shaw: Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it.

20-10-2006, 02:06 PM	#39 (permalink)
attaboy Elite Member Last Online: Today 06:47 AM Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,975	Hell is other people. - Jean-Paul Sartre

20-10-2006, 09:45 PM	#40 (permalink)
seth106 Koh Phangan Last Online: 27-04-2008 12:04 PM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Not quite sure really Posts: 634	"America did not invent human rights. In a very real sense, it is the other way around. Human rights invented America." : Jimmy Carter - [James Earl Carter] (1924- ) 39th US President "From the equality of rights springs identity of our highest interests; you cannot subvert your neighbor's rights without striking a dangerous blow at your own.": Carl Schurz - (1829-1906) German-born, US General, US Senator (MO), Founded the Liberal Republican movement "Law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." : Thomas Jefferson - (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President "Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except Negroes and foreigners and Catholics.' When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy hypocrisy.": Abraham Lincoln - (1809-1865) 16th US President

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