Thread: extraordinary rendition

Excellent post, ray. Certainly worth some green.

I remember that story when it happened in 2002

Us authorities were desperate then, still desperate now

That's outrageous.

As Colin Powell so eloquently stated in a letter that really angered Bush: we have lost the moral basis for our fight against terrorism.

Powell trumps Bush on torture. By Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine

notice now that the GWB white house is saying the CIA doesn't have any detainees in its custody.

well, that's because they're currently getting tortured in syria, egypt and the more abscure countries that end in '-istan'.

"Torture" Techniques Revealed

"Here's the eeeeeevvvvviiiiiiilllllllll "torture" that John McCain, Andrew Sullivan, Ted Kennedy, & Company think is just too cruel to be used on terrorists who saw the heads off of Americans and support flying planes into our buildings:

"The techniques sought by the CIA are: induced hypothermia; forcing suspects to stand for prolonged periods; sleep deprivation; a technique called "the attention grab" where a suspect's shirt is forcefully seized; the "attention slap" or open hand slapping that hurts but does not lead to physical damage; the "belly slap"; and sound and light manipulation."

Here's how this "torture" plays out in the real world:

"Several of those techniques chime with information gleaned about interrogation methods used against some serious terror suspects. The New York Times recently reported that Abu Zubaydah, the first al-Qaida member captured after the September 11 attacks, was kept in a freezing cell until he went blue, and later assailed with loud Red Hot Chili Peppers music."

I love the image of a murderous terrorist shivering in his cell while two giant speakers pump infidel music like, "Love Rollercoaster," into his cell. The only way it could be better would be if he had to watch a giant TV screen with “The Hebrew Hammer," in constant loop.

In any case, the people who think that using a "belly slap" or "sleep deprivation" is too extreme, really have skewed priorities. We're talking about getting information from these terrorists that may prevent the next 9/11 using techniques that aren't any rougher than what our troops go through in basic training or what a college football team has to endure in the course of a season. If those are the worst techniques that we use on terrorists, then they're getting off light."

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ummmmmmmm.........i'm glad you found the wherewithal to join the thread, but your post has absolutely NOTHING to do with extraordinary rendition.

if you want to start a thread about torture methods used by the US govt on US soil or military bases, i'd be interested to read the posts and make some of my own.

thus, i'd like to recommend that you re-read the OP and try again!

You opened it up with the mention of torture in you OP rayray which is as least half the purpose of your OP whether you admit it or not.

the first use of the word torture is 'outsourced torture'. i.e. extraordinary rendition.

c'mon now sailorboy. you can do better than that. put that navy 'can do' attitude to work.

whoops!

WASHINGTON, Sept. 20 — In an embarrassing turnabout, the Department of Justice backed away Wednesday from a denial by Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales of responsibility for the treatment of a Canadian who was seized by American authorities in 2002. The man was deported to Syria, where he was imprisoned and beaten.

Asked at a news conference on Tuesday about a Canadian commission’s finding that the man, Maher Arar, was wrongly sent to Syria and tortured there, Mr. Gonzales replied, “Well, we were not responsible for his removal to Syria.” He added, “I’m not aware that he was tortured.”


The attorney general’s comments caused puzzlement because they followed front-page news articles of the findings of the Canadian commission. It reported that based on inaccurate information from Canada about Mr. Arar’s supposed terrorist ties, American officials ordered him taken to Syria, an action documented in public records.


On Wednesday, a Justice Department spokesman said Mr. Gonzales had intended to make only a narrow point: that deportations are now handled by the Department of Homeland Security, not the Department of Justice.

right.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/wo...on&oref=slogin

Unorthodox Shipping Agents

The first criminal trial over the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" of terror suspects has opened in Italy.

Twenty-six Americans and six Italians are accused of kidnapping an Egyptian terror suspect and sending him to Egypt, where he was allegedly tortured.

The Americans - most believed to be CIA agents - will be tried in absentia.

Italy has not announced if it will seek their extradition to the Milan trial.
US President George W Bush will arrive in Italy hours after the trial opens.

extraordinary rendition = outsourced torture.

let there be no doubt that america lost the moral high ground.

and for all of the american posters on this board, these atrocities are being committed in your name.

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | First CIA rendition trial opens

This is a thread from a couple of months back, the OP being a very good article by George Monbiot on the now seemingly acceptable use of torture-
https://teakdoor.com/issues/11571-do-...e-of-this.html

I'm off-topic here, Ray and others but here's a brief snipped on a ruling pertaining to U.S. citizens:

Updated: 3:36 p.m. PT June 11, 2007

RICHMOND, Va. - The Bush administration cannot use new anti-terrorism laws to keep U.S. residents locked up indefinitely without charging them, a divided federal appeals court said Monday.

Entire & Link: Setback for Bush on ‘enemy combatants’ - U.S. Security - MSNBC.com

Welcome Aboard-

Have a nice flight, Sir.
In a few days time, he'll be wishing the plane had crashed.

oh man. the more we learn, the worse it is.

The United States is operating "floating prisons" to house those arrested in its war on terror, according to human rights lawyers, who claim there has been an attempt to conceal the numbers and whereabouts of detainees.

US accused of holding terror suspects on prison ships | World news | The Guardian

Extraordinary rendition is simply the american prolix euphemism for the crime of kidnapping.

They have a quaint history of this, notably, to terminate with extreme prejudice meaning to murder or assassinate and collateral damage i.e. to inflict innocent civilian deaths.

Such semantic gymnastics however serve a purpose in that a buffer of unreality is created between those who perpetrate such crimes and the public to whom they are meant to be accountable. It certainly helps if the public are american in which case the addition of bovine stupidity and unquestioning acceptance all helps to protect the establishment from consequences that may flow from their actions.

Unfortunately, international action in the case of ' extraordinary rendition ' is weak. A perverse osmosis exists whereby alleged offenders can be extradited to the US but traffic t'other way simply doesn't occur. The case of the CIA thugs who kidnapped victims and transited through Italy is a case in point but who knows, maybe justice will prevail.

I shall not hold my breath.