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Storekeeper · 25-07-2006, 12:26 PM

Yeah, that's the ticket. The US told Iran to arm Hezbollah with weapons to fire on Israel. The US and UK have been supporting Israel long before oil was a major concern in the world.

Who does more to help suffering people in the world than the US ?

Milkman · 25-07-2006, 01:27 PM

The U.S. first got directly into the ME when it hopped into bed with the Saudis in the 1930s.

If there was any support for a nation-state of Israel before UN Resolution 181 then it was mostly the Jewish community in America. Other symbolic support probably started in the 1920s when the immigrants started to increase in Palestine. (I'll have to go back and dig around.)

man with no head · 25-07-2006, 01:41 PM

The U.S. has also caused tremendous amounts of suffering as well.

man with no head · 25-07-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Yeah, that's the ticket. The US told Iran to arm Hezbollah with weapons to fire on Israel.

Iran-Contra anyone?

Storekeeper · 25-07-2006, 03:58 PM

That's another good one ... let's blame the whole mess on the Marine Corps and LTCOL Oliver North.

Butterfly · 25-07-2006, 04:33 PM

Oliver North was a traitor. Why he wasn't taken care of, is a mystery. He must have good files with him to be not in jail.

man with no head · 25-07-2006, 04:47 PM

Disobey the law, sell arms to your enemy, and run for Senate....the American Way™

Boon Mee · 25-07-2006, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by surasak

The U.S. has also caused tremendous amounts of suffering as well.

Yeah, well, we do it for noble purposes.
Like Viet Nam! "Had to destroy that Vil in order to save it"
Get the drift?

stroller · 25-07-2006, 09:35 PM

^
Vietnam is more suited as an example of the useless suffering the arrogant US foreign policies have brought about.

The Balkans are a better example for "noble purposes".

Storekeeper · 26-07-2006, 12:08 PM

A cycle of nonsense: "For reasons unknown, some people seem to regard verbal equivalence as moral equivalence -- and the latter as some kind of badge of broadmindedness, if not intellectual superiority. Therefore, when Palestinian terrorists ("militants" in politically correct Newspeak) attack Israel and then Israel responds with military force, that is just another "cycle of violence" in the Middle East to some people. The "cycle" notion suggests that each side is just responding to what the other side does. But just what had Israel done to set off these latest terrorist acts? It voluntarily pulled out of Gaza, after evacuating its own settlers, and left the land to the Palestinian authorities. Terrorists then used the newly acquired land to launch rockets into Israel and then seized an Israeli soldier. Other terrorists in Lebanon followed suit. The great mantra of the past, "trading land for peace," is now thoroughly discredited, or should be. But facts mean nothing to people who are determined to find equivalence, whether today in the Middle East or yesterday in the Cold War."

Townhall.com::A 'cycle' on nonsense::By Thomas Sowell

stroller · 26-07-2006, 12:35 PM

Now you've quoted from this article and highlighted the last sentence, do you care to enlighten us all to the facts concerned, and as to who these "people who are determined to find equivalence" are?

Storekeeper · 26-07-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stroller

Now you've quoted from this article and highlighted the last sentence, do you care to enlighten us all to the facts concerned, and as to who these "people who are determined to find equivalence" are?

Are you messing with me ? Or is there a disconnect between English speaking/writing/reading ability and actual comprehension ? This is a serious question if all you can do is give me a smart ass retort then don't waste your time.

Marmite the Dog · 26-07-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Storekeeper

But just what had Israel done to set off these latest terrorist acts? It voluntarily pulled out of Gaza, after evacuating its own settlers, and left the land to the Palestinian authorities. Terrorists then used the newly acquired land to launch rockets into Israel and then seized an Israeli soldier. Other terrorists in Lebanon followed suit. The great mantra of the past, "trading land for peace," is now thoroughly discredited, or should be.

If only things were that simple.

Storekeeper · 26-07-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

But just what had Israel done to set off these latest terrorist acts? It voluntarily pulled out of Gaza, after evacuating its own settlers, and left the land to the Palestinian authorities. Terrorists then used the newly acquired land to launch rockets into Israel and then seized an Israeli soldier. Other terrorists in Lebanon followed suit. The great mantra of the past, "trading land for peace," is now thoroughly discredited, or should be.

If only things were that simple.

You've already proven to me you're not one of the simpletons MtD. You're always even keeled for the most part.

stroller · 26-07-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Are you messing with me ? Or is there a disconnect between English speaking/writing/reading ability and actual comprehension ? This is a serious question if all you can do is give me a smart ass retort then don't waste your time.

Just wondering whether 'these people' is meant as another attack on "liberals" in general, some posters on this forum, some journalists or commentators, or for what you quoted from the article, without making a connection to what has been said in this thread.
Or are you too lazy to add your own words?

Storekeeper · 26-07-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stroller

Just wondering whether 'these people' is meant as another attack on "liberals" in general, some posters on this forum, some journalists or commentators, or for what you quoted from the article, without making a connection to what has been said in this thread.
Or are you too lazy to add your own words?

If you would notice it was a very short cut-n-paste paragraph. How that translates into you attacking me reveals alot about you. Rather than critique the post you've chosen to critque me.

Just in case your Enlgish skills are even worse than I suspected that's called attacking the messenger instead of the message.

If you weren't so stupid you would have been able to avoid this lecture.

Aren't you a moderator in this part of the forum ? It appears you don't know the rules against personal attacks.

stroller · 26-07-2006, 02:27 PM

I queried what you meant to say by quoting the article, and challenged you to be more precise, that's not against forum rules.
It does distract from the topic though, so I won't persue this further for now.

Storekeeper · 26-07-2006, 03:10 PM

IMHO you posters who consider yourselves strong debaters ... just make up your debating rules as you go along.

You should just put the false pretense aside and admit cussin' and discussin' is alot more fun and alot less complicated.

Boon Mee · 26-07-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Storekeeper

IMHO you posters who consider yourselves strong debaters ... just make up your debating rules as you go along.

You should just put the false pretense aside and admit cussin' and discussin' is alot more fun and alot less complicated.

Yep...the cussin' & discussin' crowd are your basic defeat & retreat bunch...

Marmite the Dog · 26-07-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Storekeeper

You've already proven to me you're not one of the simpletons MtD.

Sucker!

26-07-2006, 12:08 PM	#50 (permalink)
Storekeeper Because I said so. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ban Phe Posts: 4,822	A cycle of nonsense: "For reasons unknown, some people seem to regard verbal equivalence as moral equivalence -- and the latter as some kind of badge of broadmindedness, if not intellectual superiority. Therefore, when Palestinian terrorists ("militants" in politically correct Newspeak) attack Israel and then Israel responds with military force, that is just another "cycle of violence" in the Middle East to some people. The "cycle" notion suggests that each side is just responding to what the other side does. But just what had Israel done to set off these latest terrorist acts? It voluntarily pulled out of Gaza, after evacuating its own settlers, and left the land to the Palestinian authorities. Terrorists then used the newly acquired land to launch rockets into Israel and then seized an Israeli soldier. Other terrorists in Lebanon followed suit. The great mantra of the past, "trading land for peace," is now thoroughly discredited, or should be. But facts mean nothing to people who are determined to find equivalence, whether today in the Middle East or yesterday in the Cold War." Townhall.com::A 'cycle' on nonsense::By Thomas Sowell __________________ "England forever; the USA one day longer" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

26-07-2006, 02:27 PM	#57 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	I queried what you meant to say by quoting the article, and challenged you to be more precise, that's not against forum rules. It does distract from the topic though, so I won't persue this further for now. Last edited by stroller : 26-07-2006 at 02:35 PM.

25-07-2006, 12:26 PM	#41 (permalink)
Storekeeper Because I said so. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ban Phe Posts: 4,822	Yeah, that's the ticket. The US told Iran to arm Hezbollah with weapons to fire on Israel. The US and UK have been supporting Israel long before oil was a major concern in the world. Who does more to help suffering people in the world than the US ?

25-07-2006, 01:27 PM	#42 (permalink)
Milkman Gone Off Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: shelf Posts: 9,391	The U.S. first got directly into the ME when it hopped into bed with the Saudis in the 1930s. If there was any support for a nation-state of Israel before UN Resolution 181 then it was mostly the Jewish community in America. Other symbolic support probably started in the 1920s when the immigrants started to increase in Palestine. (I'll have to go back and dig around.)

25-07-2006, 01:41 PM	#43 (permalink)
man with no head Somewhere Travelling Last Online: 11-08-2007 07:39 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,424	The U.S. has also caused tremendous amounts of suffering as well.

25-07-2006, 03:58 PM	#45 (permalink)
Storekeeper Because I said so. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ban Phe Posts: 4,822	That's another good one ... let's blame the whole mess on the Marine Corps and LTCOL Oliver North.

25-07-2006, 04:33 PM	#46 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,645	Oliver North was a traitor. Why he wasn't taken care of, is a mystery. He must have good files with him to be not in jail.

25-07-2006, 04:47 PM	#47 (permalink)
man with no head Somewhere Travelling Last Online: 11-08-2007 07:39 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,424	Disobey the law, sell arms to your enemy, and run for Senate....the American Way™

25-07-2006, 09:35 PM	#49 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	^ Vietnam is more suited as an example of the useless suffering the arrogant US foreign policies have brought about. The Balkans are a better example for "noble purposes".

26-07-2006, 12:35 PM	#51 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	Now you've quoted from this article and highlighted the last sentence, do you care to enlighten us all to the facts concerned, and as to who these "people who are determined to find equivalence" are?

26-07-2006, 03:10 PM	#58 (permalink)
Storekeeper Because I said so. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ban Phe Posts: 4,822	IMHO you posters who consider yourselves strong debaters ... just make up your debating rules as you go along. You should just put the false pretense aside and admit cussin' and discussin' is alot more fun and alot less complicated.