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BBC NEWS | UK | England | West Midlands | Arrests at anti-Islamic protest

Police in Birmingham have arrested 33 people during a demonstration against Islamic fundamentalism and counter-protest by anti-fascists.
The demonstration - by groups calling themselves the English and Welsh Defence League and Casuals United - was made up of football fans, said police.
The counter-protest was organised by campaign group Unite Against Fascism, West Midlands Police said.
Two people were injured in the disturbances in the city centre.
Police said there were "sporadic incidents of disturbance in the city centre" with the majority of the arrests being for disorder.
There was one report of criminal damage to a vehicle, but more were expected. No police officers were hurt.
'Burning flag'
Resident Gary Nichols witnessed the disturbances on Saturday evening from his city centre flat and said he was unable to go outside for about two and a half hours.
"It was very disheartening to see," he told the BBC.
"I've never experienced anything like it before in the three years I've lived here.
"It started off with a group of white guys who were chanting 'England, England'. I thought they were just football fans, but then a larger group of black and Asian people turned up and it all kicked off.
"You had people burning the Union flag. People were being kicked - some of them weren't anything to do with the protests.
"It all seemed to be very systematic - groups were arriving in cars and getting involved in the violence.
"It really wasn't nice to see and I hope I never see it again."
Speaking before Saturday's demonstrations, on the West Midlands Police website, Superintendent Matt Ward said there had been a similar protest against Islamic fundamentalism last month, involving 70 to 90 people.
He said July's protest had been "vocal" but peaceful.
Asked about the latest demonstrations, Supt Ward said the police wanted to balance the rights of protesters with retailers and shoppers who wanted to use the city centre for their normal business.

meepho

do not congregate in a crowd in england and start acting patriotic as this is obviously inviting opposition therefor deemed racist.

crazy dog

Why would the rent a mob anti fascists want to oppose a demo against the very thing they say they are against? Shame the Police did not arrest Islamic nutters when they demonstrated against returning troops in Luton.

Bangyai

Here we go..... ' rivers of blood ' ......getting closer.

My mother tells me that the local RAF had a parade in her hometown of Uxbridge this week , to welcome home some airman returning from Afghanistan. Being patriotic , she turned up with her friend to give them a cheer . She noticed that the attending crowd was very large and supportive but before long her friend pointed out that in the sea of faces there was only one Asian and one black man. For Uxbridge, this is a very strange scenario as the streets are usually awash with immigrants in their national dress. As she put it

" I didn't know there were so many of ' us ' still living here. I wonder where they all hide themselves the rest of the time ? "

pompeybloke

Yes. This will kick on from here...

meepho

we have a big gathering daily it seems in wooton basset just outside swindon,
it is a village and every thing passes off with the respect the deceased deserve, and as with uxbridge very rare to see any ethnic people in attendance.
intergration and harmony has not quite arrived yet but give it time

Dan

I see the fascists call themselves "Casuals United". And it's the anti-fascists who you call rent-a-mob - as if a bunch of knuckle-head lumpen proletariat like that aren't looking for a fight. Fuck 'em. And why shouldn't British citizens demonstrate against troops returning from more imperial adventures in Asia? They've got every right - and many would think duty - to.

Dan

3 out of 4 British Muslims strongly relate to UK » Link Muslims


So it seems your opinions don't match the research. I know which I value more.

Still, one should be honest

This is pretty repugnant but I would have thought the flag-waving Mail/Torygraph don't-you-just-hate-johnny-foreigner idiots would have found this rather attractive.

pompeybloke

No Dan, I don't accept that view from a PC collaboration poll. From people that live In the UK, from my brothers, and from frequent trips back there, this percentage of Islamic "tolerance" doesn't wash. Even if it did, what about the quarter of UK muslims who don't approve? Why don't they just fvck off then, and give us our streets back?

I find it repugnant that British soldiers returning from duty or just 'plain dead' from causes deemed good or bad should be demonstrated against in their own land.

Dan

Why don't the 50% of whites who don't associate themselves with the country fuck off, too? They're all equally British.

And if you've got a problem with Gallup's work (other than the fact that it doesn't fit with your Neanderthal prejudices), then let's see a detailed critique.

Tough shit. That's what living in a democracy entails.

pompeybloke

Because it's their home.

neanderthal? ta ...get low quick...name calling early...another coward.

Dan

You missed my rather obvious point. They're all equally British. Or does being British entail not being Muslim? Is that an essential part of being British?

If your concern is with people not associating with and supporting British institutions, then you should be happy to swap the white chavs for immigrants. Of course, if this isn't the case and you just hate non-whites, come out and say it. You're amongst friends here.

Bangyai

^^^ Unfortunately, if some of them had their way we wouldn't have a democracy, we'd have sharia law.
The issue here is not racism or religious persecution, its about having a little respect for the country you have chosen to live in. You don't see people protesting about Chinese immigrants because they are not a burdon on the state and are content to live under the existing laws of the land. This is not how it is with a vocal minority of muslims. They come from some fucked up Islamic country and want to fuck up ours. NOTE : I said vocal minority. Unfortunately , the silent majority of muslims who are law abiding and have integrated do not do enough to distance themselves from their extremist co religionists and their silence appears in the eyes of many to give tacit approval to the latter.

IMO its a pretty cheap shot when the words facist or racist are thrown in someones face when those doing the throwing are often worse culprits themselves. For example, how happy would muslim parents be to see their sons or daughters marry an infidel christian ? Short answer ...... not very.

pompeybloke

First of all, you are not my friend. Secondly, I have some very good friends in England of Carribean origin, so don't try and stick me into some sort sf stereo-typical fascist box; you tried that on another thread. muslims don't assimilate and are a threat.

Are you muslim perchance?

Dan

And these scholarly pieces of sociological research are based on.....?

Indeed not. The friends I was referring to were your fellow racists on this board. I thought it was clear enough but I'll paint clearer signposts for you in future.

And you didn't answer this question:

lob

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gotta chip in on this one dan, for a lot of brits, yes it does, to be a brit, u have to be born there have british parents/parent, have the morals, make that ethics of the british, ie chritian ethics, you can practice what religion u like but not in the legal system, you can hold/say what views u like, but not stir anty british sentement. this means no stoneing no setting fire to a woman raped ect, but then you know all the above, dont u. question is do you understand and believe it.

pompeybloke

err...personal experience, or does it have to be learnt from a book, oh scholarly one?

Name calling again, very cowardly, and ignorant.

Propagator

Dan

Are you a pacifist, because that it the way that you are coming across? Do you feel that it is correct for people to jeer a homecoming parade for soldiers that at fighting in another country, albeit that this fight is taking place on behest of the UN.

astasinim

I wish they would.
We dont live in a democracy.

larvidchr

^^
No Dan is just one of those left wing's that don't seem to be able to debate an Issue without getting hysterical and calling half the board fascists, it's part of the left wing training in the communists youth camps "when ever your argumentation is weak, which is nearly all the time, you just start screaming - uneducated racists fascists Nazi Zionist murderers of children - and then throw Molotov cocktails" and so on, he is not very polite to his fellow posters and not worth wasting your time on before he learns to calm down a bit.

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