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ChiangMai noon · 18-07-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by britmaveric

The U.S. can begin trying Osama bin Laden's former driver next week at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, a federal judge ruled Thursday, rejecting the defendant's plea to halt the historic first trial in the military system set up following the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

anyone care to tell Tex pat that this isn't the teenager that allegedly threw a grenade 6 years ago.

chinthee · 18-07-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

nobody is denying the importance of Fox news in maintaining control over the blind. take fox away and people might actually begin to see.

Americans who live in the US, I know rarely watch Fox. Expats who have Fox to watch in Thailand are grossly wrong on the attached importance they think this channel plays in America. In fact, it is only the top rated cable news program because many people don't watch cable news. The huge American networks, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc., are more watched domestically.

Yet, all these expats, because all they see coming into their home in Thailand is Fox, and maybe CNN, think it is more important than it is.

Grow up. Travel a little. Visit the US before spouting this crap.

ChiangMai noon · 18-07-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chinthee

Grow up. Travel a little. Visit the US before spouting this crap.

so brit is making stuff up again right?

ChiangMai noon · 18-07-2008, 12:48 PM

seems fox has taken a massive hit in viewership.

maybe there is hope yet, but some still cling.

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Study shows Fox News viewers misinformed about war, Iraq, WMD
Posted October 6th, 2003 at 11:43 am

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I have naively believed for years that staying informed about current events by getting some news is better than blissful ignorance derived from getting no news. Then Fox News Channel helped demonstrate just how wrong I was.

The Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland conducted a thorough study of public knowledge and attitudes about current events and the war on terrorism. Researchers found that the public’s mistaken impressions of three facets of U.S. foreign policy — discovery of alleged WMD in Iraq, alleged Iraqi involvement in 9/11, and international support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq — helped fuel support for the war.

While the PIPA study concluded that most Americans (over 60%) held at least one of these mistaken impressions, the researchers also concluded that Americans’ opinions were shaped in large part by which news outlet they relied upon to receive their information.

As the researchers explained in their report, “The extent of Americans’ misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions. Those who receive most of their news from NPR or PBS are less likely to have misperceptions. These variations cannot simply be explained as a result of differences in the demographic characteristics of each audience, because these variations can also be found when comparing the demographic subgroups of each audience.”

Almost shocking was the extent to which Fox News viewers were mistaken. Those who relied on the conservative network for news, PIPA reported, were “three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions. In the audience for NPR/PBS, however, there was an overwhelming majority who did not have any of the three misperceptions, and hardly any had all three.”

Looking at the misperceptions one at a time, people were asked, for example, if the U.S. had discovered the alleged stockpiles of WMD in Iraq since the war began. Just 11% of those who relied on newspapers as their “primary news source” incorrectly believed that U.S. forces had made such a discovery. Only slightly more — 17% — of those who relied on NPR and PBS were wrong. Yet 33% of Fox News viewers were wrong, far ahead of those who relied on any other outlet.

Likewise, when people were asked if the U.S. had “clear evidence” that Saddam Hussein was “working closely with al Queda,” similar results were found. Only 16% of NPR and PBS listeners/viewers believed that the U.S. has such evidence, while 67% of Fox News viewers were under that mistaken impression.

Overall, 80 percent of those who relied on Fox News as their primary news source believed at least one of the three misperceptions. Viewers/listeners/readers of other news outlets didn’t even come close to this total.

In other words, Fox News viewers are literally less informed about these basic facts. They have, put simply, been led to believe things that are simply not true. These poor dupes would have done better in this survey, statistically speaking, if they received no news at all and simply guessed whether the claims were accurate.

And, in addition to a fun bash-Fox-athon, I wanted to add that the PIPA study also documented that those who relied on newspapers as their primary news source were better informed than those who watched any of the television news broadcasts. The only folks more informed than newspaper readers were NPR listeners.

Panda · 18-07-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

I wonder how American young will react if their country was invaded by a foreign force, like the Chinese.

I guess they wouldn't fight and surrender to the Chinese, or worse, they would cooperate,

Actually, 90% of the US population would cooperate, and fail to resist.

That's not saying much for US patriotism, but it would still leave 30 million terrorist enemy combatants to be hunted down and killed or incarcerated.

britmaveric · 18-07-2008, 12:51 PM

Fox news Seen:

Also these countries:

ChiangMai noon · 18-07-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by britmaveric

Fox news Seen

you left out...."as comedy"

chinthee · 18-07-2008, 12:53 PM

^Of course, as I said before, FoxNews is a propaganda machine of Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes. They give away the channel to anyone in the world, why else do you think it's on every damn cable and satellite system???

britmaveric · 18-07-2008, 12:54 PM

Pretty Impressive you must admit even if you believe its comedy, hey CMN?

And most news these days are far from unbiased.

ChiangMai noon · 18-07-2008, 12:55 PM

Brit has cleverly trolled this away from the original point of the thread.

this wasn't supposed to be yet another 'fox news is crap' thread.
we all know it's bullshit.

britmaveric · 18-07-2008, 12:58 PM

^What was the point of this thread again? (smth about fictional gitmo abuses???)

chinthee · 18-07-2008, 12:59 PM

It might come as a surprise to CMN and other uninformed typical American bashers who haven't spent any time there, but most Americans still get their news from firstly, the morning local paper, secondly, from watching the local evening news followed by its affiliate on one of the major networks, ABC, CBS, NBC.

This is where the huge bulk of information dissemination comes from to the average American. relatively few watch CNN, BBC, or Fox. A-J is not available, which is an interesting fact in itself. There was recently one cable station on the east coast that has defied FCC and has broadcasted AJ. Not sure where that stands.

Anyway, Fox is relatively unimportant to the average American as a news source. Get that through your heads before you start calling all American Fox sheep. It's a big country. Lots of varying views and opinions. Millions and millions of college educated and well traveled people. Open your mind.

Accidental Ajarn · 18-07-2008, 01:01 PM

I couldn't be bothered to read the thread, some old stuff, ain't everything the Bush administration does bad?

It does seem that there are many non-Americans who spend a considerable amount of their lives seeking out and sharing information needed to reenforce their view of the US as evil?

Why?

DO you guys really think this is a productive use of your time?

flash · 18-07-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by britmaveric

^What was the point of this thread again? (smth about fictional gitmo abuses???)

its about how many calories prisoners get, irrelevant clips from youtube and how well Fox news give a balanced and unbiased view of current affairs.

Brit you should go back to sitting on the fence with no real opinion, you are making yourself look foolish.

flash · 18-07-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

I couldn't be bothered to read the thread, some old stuff, ain't everything the Bush administration does bad?

Its a good idea to the read the thread before jumping in with your opinion.

Texpat · 18-07-2008, 01:18 PM

Tell us more about Americans will you CMN?

Puh~leease?

Great post Chinthee. No shortage of TD twats trying to make broad generalizations based on their loyal viewership of Hollywood movies and cable TV.

flash · 18-07-2008, 01:21 PM

you will be able to find information about Americans on Fox News

AntRobertson · 18-07-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

With nutters like this defending you... a mate of yours Anty?

Nothing constructive to add then Tex?

That you need to get yor jollies with all these personal attacks undermines any valid point(s) you may actually have to make.

18-07-2008, 12:51 PM	#66 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 2,319	Fox news Seen: Also these countries: Argentina Australia Bahamas Barbados Belize Bermuda Cambodia Cayman Islands Chile Colombia Costa Rica Dominican Republic Finland Grenada Guam Guatemala Hong Kong Iceland Indonesia Ireland Israel Italy Jamaica Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Lebanon Macau Malaysia Maldives Mexico Netherlands New Zealand Nigeria Norway Pakistan Palau Panama Peru Papua New Guinea Philippines Portugal Russia Saudi Arabia Singapore Saint Kitts Saint Lucia Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Spain Slovenia Sweden Thailand Trinidad and Tobago Tonga United Arab Emirates United Kingdom Venezuela

18-07-2008, 12:53 PM	#68 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,969	^Of course, as I said before, FoxNews is a propaganda machine of Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes. They give away the channel to anyone in the world, why else do you think it's on every damn cable and satellite system???

18-07-2008, 12:54 PM	#69 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 2,319	Pretty Impressive you must admit even if you believe its comedy, hey CMN? And most news these days are far from unbiased.

18-07-2008, 12:55 PM	#70 (permalink)
ChiangMai noon llewys goch Last Online: Today 07:18 AM Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: o dan y bryn Posts: 23,162	Brit has cleverly trolled this away from the original point of the thread. this wasn't supposed to be yet another 'fox news is crap' thread. we all know it's bullshit.

18-07-2008, 12:58 PM	#71 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 2,319	^What was the point of this thread again? (smth about fictional gitmo abuses???)

18-07-2008, 12:59 PM	#72 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,969	It might come as a surprise to CMN and other uninformed typical American bashers who haven't spent any time there, but most Americans still get their news from firstly, the morning local paper, secondly, from watching the local evening news followed by its affiliate on one of the major networks, ABC, CBS, NBC. This is where the huge bulk of information dissemination comes from to the average American. relatively few watch CNN, BBC, or Fox. A-J is not available, which is an interesting fact in itself. There was recently one cable station on the east coast that has defied FCC and has broadcasted AJ. Not sure where that stands. Anyway, Fox is relatively unimportant to the average American as a news source. Get that through your heads before you start calling all American Fox sheep. It's a big country. Lots of varying views and opinions. Millions and millions of college educated and well traveled people. Open your mind.

18-07-2008, 01:01 PM	#73 (permalink)
Accidental Ajarn Phi Phi Island Last Online: Yesterday 04:21 PM Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 499	I couldn't be bothered to read the thread, some old stuff, ain't everything the Bush administration does bad? It does seem that there are many non-Americans who spend a considerable amount of their lives seeking out and sharing information needed to reenforce their view of the US as evil? Why? DO you guys really think this is a productive use of your time?

18-07-2008, 01:18 PM	#76 (permalink)
Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: Today 01:58 AM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 7,778	Tell us more about Americans will you CMN? Puh~leease? Great post Chinthee. No shortage of TD twats trying to make broad generalizations based on their loyal viewership of Hollywood movies and cable TV.

18-07-2008, 01:21 PM	#77 (permalink)
flash Fag an bealac! Last Online: Today 07:21 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 53 00 N, 8 00 W Posts: 2,057	you will be able to find information about Americans on Fox News

18-07-2008, 01:39 PM	#79 (permalink)
flash Fag an bealac! Last Online: Today 07:21 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 53 00 N, 8 00 W Posts: 2,057