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Old 19-07-2008, 10:34 PM   #301 (permalink)
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I haven't seen any evidence of this, I am very interested to learn though.
Haven't seen any evidence of torture either, eh?
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Old 19-07-2008, 10:39 PM   #302 (permalink)
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Interesting PR peice. I note that the article mentions that they didn't actually talk to any of the inmates.
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Old 19-07-2008, 10:43 PM   #303 (permalink)
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^ Perhaps because of: "The takeaway I had from it was how dangerous these people are."

Anty...you got to get a clue. That isn't Kumbaya Land...
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Old 19-07-2008, 10:43 PM   #304 (permalink)
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Any reports from an independent source not linked to the US government?
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Old 19-07-2008, 10:46 PM   #305 (permalink)
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That piece Brit quoted?
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Old 19-07-2008, 10:46 PM   #306 (permalink)
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Haven't seen any evidence of torture either, eh?
FBI files detail GuantĂ¡namo torture tactics | World news | guardian.co.uk

Captives at Guantánamo Bay were chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor for 18 hours or more, urinating and defecating on themselves, an FBI report has revealed.
The accounts of mistreatment were contained in FBI documents released yesterday (pdf) as part of a lawsuit involving the American Civil Liberties Union, a civil liberties group.

In the 2004 inquiry, the FBI asked nearly 500 employees who had served at Guantánamo Bay to report possible mistreatment by law enforcement or military personnel. Twenty-six incidents were reported, some of which had emerged in earlier document releases.

Besides being shackled to the floor, detainees were subjected to extremes of temperature. One witness said he saw a barefoot detainee shaking with cold because the air conditioning had bought the temperature close to freezing.

On another occasion, the air conditioning was off in an unventilated room, making the temperature over 38C (100F) and a detainee lay almost unconscious on the floor with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been pulling out his hair throughout the night.
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Old 19-07-2008, 10:47 PM   #307 (permalink)
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Old 19-07-2008, 10:48 PM   #308 (permalink)
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Any reports from an independent source not linked to the US government?
That piece Brit quoted?
That report was by Senator Bob Bennett
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Old 19-07-2008, 10:48 PM   #309 (permalink)
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Uh...perhaps they be dangerous people that gots locked up there?

Read it again...

Visit to Gitmo was an eye-opener, Bennett says | Deseret News (Salt Lake City) | Find Articles at BNET
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Old 19-07-2008, 10:49 PM   #310 (permalink)
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Haven't seen any evidence of torture either, eh?
FBI files detail GuantĂ¡namo torture tactics | World news | guardian.co.uk

Captives at Guantánamo Bay were chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor for 18 hours or more, urinating and defecating on themselves, an FBI report has revealed.
The accounts of mistreatment were contained in FBI documents released yesterday (pdf) as part of a lawsuit involving the American Civil Liberties Union, a civil liberties group.

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Besides being shackled to the floor, detainees were subjected to extremes of temperature. One witness said he saw a barefoot detainee shaking with cold because the air conditioning had bought the temperature close to freezing.

On another occasion, the air conditioning was off in an unventilated room, making the temperature over 38C (100F) and a detainee lay almost unconscious on the floor with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been pulling out his hair throughout the night.
Wait that comes from a govt source, can't have it both ways mate?
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lies flash, dreadful lies.
I know, those pesky FBI agents are very anti-American
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Any reports from an independent source not linked to the US government?
That piece Brit quoted?
That report was by Senator Bob Bennett
So you think if Cindy Sheehan went down there, the report would reflect a more objective opinion?
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Wait that comes from a govt source, can't have it both ways mate?
Exactly, One government two different storys, can you see a pattern emerging?
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Wait that comes from a govt source, can't have it both ways mate?
Exactly, One government two different storys, can you see a pattern emerging?
I'm sure you'll elucidate us?
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nothing to eludicate, your government are releasing conflicting reports
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So something in Lousiana caused the The US Government to detain prisoners in Gitmo?

Strange reasoning, but I getting to see a pattern.
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nothing to eludicate, your government are releasing conflicting reports
Over what time span? Concerning the FBI report, read the dates the claimed events took place, 2002, 2003? It's been years since I read the pdf. of the FBI reports. Bennet filed his report in 2006.

The US court system is slowly working out what is legal at GITMO. The system works.
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Over what time span? Concerning the FBI report, read the dates the claimed events took place, 2002, 2003? It's been years since I read the pdf. of the FBI reports. Bennet filed his report in 2006.

The US court system is slowly working out what is legal at GITMO. The system works.
Slowly is the operative word. The system might appear to work if you've not been held without trial for 6 years...
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