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Issues There is much going on in the world and the opportunity to discuss these issues and how they affect your world is always relevant. Your opinion is important and though we might not solve the problems confronting society, we just might open someones eyes. What is your opinion?

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Old 18-07-2008, 08:48 PM   #201 (permalink)
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getting a little testy are we?

Did I ask some questions that bother you?
Not at all, you're acting like a child.

For a self-professed academic you sure don't put yourself across very well. There are young children that would blush with shame playing the silly little games that you are.
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Thank you for your enlightened commments on the issues.

Carry on.

Keep hating everything America, I am sure it will help make you live a better and more productive life.
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Old 18-07-2008, 08:53 PM   #203 (permalink)
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Thank you for your enlightened commments on the issues.

Carry on.

Keep hating everything America, I am sure it will help make you live a better and more productive life.
not very good at this are you?
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^^ I suspect you're not half as bright as you'd want me to believe, AA.

That being said I'm fairly certain that you're smart enough to actually be feeling a twinge of embarrasment right now at the juvenile nonsense you've been posting on this thread.
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Old 18-07-2008, 08:55 PM   #205 (permalink)
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watched the documentary on these British lads a couple of days ago.

they were there for a wedding ffs.

tex would have had them dead for being pakistani brits.

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Questioned at gunpoint, shackled, forced to pose naked.
* Vikram Dodd and Tania Branigan
* The Guardian,


Britain and the US last night faced fresh allegations of abuses after a British terror suspect said an SAS soldier had interrogated him for three hours while an American colleague pointed a gun at him and threatened to shoot him.

The allegation is contained in a new dossier detailing repeated beatings and humiliation suffered by three Britons who were captured in Afghanistan, then held in Guantánamo Bay for two years, before being released in March without charge.

Rhuhel Ahmed, one of the "Tipton Three", claims in the 115-page dossier that shortly after his capture in November 2001 he was interviewed in Afghanistan by a British interrogator who said he was from the SAS. Mr Ahmed alleges he was taken by US guards to be interrogated by the British officer in a tent. "One of the US soldiers had a gun to his head and he was told if he moved they would shoot him," the report says. The SAS officer pressed him to admit he had gone to Afghanistan to fight a holy war. Last night the Ministry of Defence said it would investigate the allegation.

A spokesman said: "The British army follows the rules laid out in the Geneva convention and soldiers are told to follow that. It is not permissible to point guns at people's heads during interrogation. We would investigate if any allegation of that nature is made."

The dossier, based on two months of interviews by the men's lawyers, provides the first full account by the three Britons of their ordeal as terror suspects.

Details of the experiences of Shafiq Rasul, Asif Iqbal and Rhuhel Ahmed, all from the same small Midlands town, are revealed today by the Guardian, and will be formally released this afternoon in the US. The three Britons allege they were repeatedly beaten, shackled in painful positions during interrogations and subjected to sleep deprivation. On one occasion, Mr Iqbal recalled: "I was left in a room and strobe lighting was put on and very loud music. It was a dance version of Eminem played repeatedly."

Mr Rasul said he was asked: "If I wanted to get surface-to-air missiles from someone in Tipton, who would I go to?"

In an echo of the abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib jail in Baghdad which shamed Washington, the three Britons, held as illegal enemy combatants by the US, say they were photographed naked and subjected to anal searches unnecessarily, after being shackled for hours.

The three claim their interrogators, from a phalanx of US intelligence agencies including the CIA, accused them of being in a video shot in 2000 alongside Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaida leader, and Mohamed Atta, the leader of the September 11 attack. At the time one of the three was working in a Currys electrical store in the Midlands and two others were in trouble with the British police. Despite this, all three say the pain they were in and ill treatment led them confess to being in the video.

The dossier also alleges complicity by Britain in their treatment. The three challenge a claim by the Foreign Office junior minister, Chris Mullin, who in the Commons said no Briton had complained of their treatment in Guantánamo. Mr Iqbal says a British embassy official took down a two-page list of alleged abuses, while the two others say they made their complaints orally. Mr Rasul says he was interrogated by British personnel up to seven times, with MI5 officers questioning the Britons repeatedly.

On June 4 last year Tony Blair told the Commons: "Information is still coming from people detained there ... that information is important."

In the dossier the Britons say the level of mental illness among detainees is higher than admitted by the US. The Tipton Three say guards told them that a fellow British detainee, Moazzam Begg, still imprisoned in Guantánamo, had been kept in isolation and "was in a very bad way". They say that Jamil el-Banna, of London, was so traumatised that "mentally, basically, he's finished".

Mr Banna is a Jordanian citizen with refugee status in Britain, but the government refuses to represent him. It also refuses to represent another Londoner, Bisher al-Rawi, originally from Iraq, who lived in Kingston, south-west London.

Lawyer Gareth Peirce said the report showed Britain's complicity in the human rights abuses at Guantánamo: "The [British government] attitude displayed the hypocrisy of the public face in the UK saying we're doing all we can and the private face there in Guantánamo involved up to their elbows in the oppression."

Nine Britons were imprisoned in Guantánamo without charge or access to a lawyer. The Tipton Three were among five released in March, who were questioned on arrival in Britain before being released. Four Britons remain in Guantánamo, as well as four British residents.
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Good story. I missed the part about what they were doing in Afghanistan in Nov 2001 and why they were picked up by the Brits and Yanks.

Pheasant hunting no doubt. Midlands boys mindlessly wander into a Queda stronghold. Just out for a walkabout.

Odd how the story omitted that piece.
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Good story. I missed the part about what they were doing in Afghanistan in Nov 2001 and why they were picked up by the Brits and Yanks.
they were released without charge having been found entirely innocent.

watch the documentary if you want the full story, you might add a balance to your outlook.
after all, we get subjected to your government's all the time.
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Good story. I missed the part about what they were doing in Afghanistan in Nov 2001 and why they were picked up by the Brits and Yanks.
they were released without charge having been found entirely innocent.

watch the documentary if you want the full story, you might add a balance to your outlook.
after all, we get subjected to your government's all the time.
Tex is starting to remind me of that Homeland Security guy from 'Harold & Kumer Escape From Guantanamo Bay'
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Tex is starting to remind me of that Homeland Security guy from 'Harold & Kumer Escape From Guantanamo Bay'
indeed, it's eyes closed fingers in ears and lots of "lalalalal, I'm not listening to you, lalala".

btw, who is Britvic?

sure i know the bastard.... he's dropping hints in repos.
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Dunno, got me there. New one on me, don't think I've even seen him post/
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Dunno, got me there. New one on me, don't think I've even seen him post/
that'll be britmaveric.

claimed welshness earlier in the thread.

racking my brain to dig up Welsh anti muzzies in Chiangmai.

only know about 5 Welsh people.

none of them really fit the bill.

would do some snooping myself but i don't go out since i quit the nast drink.
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“Why do so many foreigners spend their lives in attempts to find fault with America?”

No answer

”Don't they have lives?”

No answer

How does this obsession make their lives more meaningful and enjoyable?

CHN: ju8st wanting to see some justice.

“Ant how many hours of your life has been spend in seeking out information that reinforces your hatred of everything US?”

Ant: Clearly more than you do on formulating logical, intelligent and reasoned posts on this forum.

“getting a little testy are we? Did I ask some questions that bother you?”

Ant: Sweet baby Jesus, you're a child! Grow-up you intellectual fraud.

Ant: Not at all, you're acting like a child.

Ant: For a self-professed academic you sure don't put yourself across very well. There are young children that would blush with shame playing the silly little games that you are.

Ant: I suspect you're not half as bright as you'd want me to believe, AA.

Ant: That being said I'm fairly certain that you're smart enough to actually be feeling a twinge of embarrasment right now at the juvenile nonsense you've been posting on this thread.

After this enlightening exchange, I still don’t understand the value you non-Americans get from your excessive need for expressing your irrational hatred of America, Bush and anything associated with the current US Presidential administration.

Sorry, but I just don’t get it. I can not see how this obsession benefits you guys.

Anyone care to try to enlighten me?

Or if you prefer, you can hurl more childish insults instead of facing the issue I brought up.
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nice font.

makes your point a whole lot better.

this has nothing to do with American bashing.

it is a thread highlightingt the injustices of guantanamo.

when you can appreciate that, maybe you can join in with some germane comments.
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“Why do so many foreigners spend their lives in attempts to find fault with America?”
This part of the board is called issues, it is for the disscusion of current affairs and topics that people might have issues with, this particular thread is about the treatment of interns at Guantanamo Bay which happens to be under the control of the USA, other threads deal with different Issues regarding all sorts of nationalities.




”Don't they have lives?”

Speaking only for myself I can assure you I have a very full and active life, sometimes in my very active life I take a few minutes to read a news paper or watch the news to see whats going on in the world and like most people discuss some of the topics that i find interesting, I think debate would only add to someones life as it can be very educational.

How does this obsession make their lives more meaningful and enjoyable?
It doesn't make my life more meaningful or enjoyable, but it might make me a more well rounded individual.


I think some people didn't answer you questions as they aren't really relative to the topic in hand.

I have said before on this thread I am not anti-American, I just don't agree with all its policies.

The bottom line is that the American Government treat American citizens like mushrooms,

They keep them in the dark and feed them full of crap!
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"this has nothing to do with American bashing."

Oh, now I am convinced. All of this is the result of objective logic where the issue has been carefully examined from all angles before a conclusion was arrived at.
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what is yout opinion on all this, so far you have just been complaining that people are anti-American, do you even have an opinion?
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"The bottom line is that the American Government treat American citizens like mushrooms,

They keep them in the dark and feed them full of crap!"

But somehow, non-Americans are able to find out th real story?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Good one, now I have totally changed my opinion. I used to think I was from a democracy, but now I know from our so enlightened foreign friends the "truth" since we Americans do not have access to the information needed to make informed opinions.
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