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Texpat

BBC
July 12, 2008

A French court has denied citizenship to a Muslim woman from Morocco, ruling that her practice of "radical" Islam is not compatible with French values.




The 32-year-old woman, known as Faiza M, has lived in France since 2000 with her husband - a French national - and their three French-born children.

Social services reports said the burqa-wearing Faiza M lived in "total submission to her male relatives".

Faiza M said she has never challenged the fundamental values of France.

Her initial application for French citizenship was rejected in 2005 on the grounds of "insufficientassimilation" into France.

She appealed, and late last month the Conseil d'Etat, France's highest administrative body which also acts as a high court, upheld the decision to deny her citizenship.

BBC NEWS | Europe | France rejects veiled Muslim wife

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Unable to become a Frog -- she must be crushed.

"Youh mazt azzimilate!" the judge told her. "Youh mazt grow ze hair under ze arhms.
And ze shower! Yes! No shower!"

(*edit* BBC originally had a photo of the woman, which I posted here. When I saw it missing, I thought a mod removed the photo, so I went back to the BBC site and it's gone from there. Maybe they used it without her permission.)

Red dragon

She is probably on her way to the UK right now to be welcomed wth open arms

Milkman

These people want to be citizens in France, UK, and West in general. But Westerners don't want to be citizens in their countries. In fact, if a westerner wanted to be a citizen in these countries, it's probably forbidden. It's time to lock the doors. Europe will pay dearly in the future for their decisions of today.

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chitown

Milk,

I was just wondering that when I read this and almost posted,

I mean look at Thailand. We can NEVER be citizens here and NEVER have rights. NEVER own land or be able to work without jumping through a bunch of hoops.

So why does the West not base there issuance of citizenship based on the country of the applicant.

Fo Thais, all they would be able to get would be a 1 year VISA. If they get divorced, they get deported. If they commit a crime, they get deported.

Why not mirror the applicant's country's rules on immigration?

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Texpat

Geez, then the Thai immy boys would be dealing with 180 different sets of rules.

They'd just shut down from intimidation.

chitown

No, not really.

Just citizenship. If Thailand will not let a foreigner become a citizen, then the US should not either. The only rule!

It might encourage other Thailand to slacken or change their rules on citizenship.

Spin

Yeah but thailand is a bit different to france, thailand is just a foking playground run by idiots. France is a proper country with rule of law and a future.

britmaveric

Well few farang have gained thai citizenship, just a heap of hoops to jump through. I think most dont want to jump through the hoops.

chitown

In the US, if an immigrant is married to a US citizen, they are pretty much guaranteed citizenship. It will just take some time.

No hoops. No three ring circus that cost a bunch of money.

Marmite the Dog

Good to see one European country with balls.

Gerbil

That photo must be getting CMN very excited.

Red dragon

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Get your face out
Get your face out
Get your face out for the boys!!

caller

Alas, that was my first thought on reading this post as well.

Of all those that have settled in the UK, I find the veiled ladies and their men the most difficult to come to terms with.

I was driving down Brentford High Street the other day, well stuck in traffic anyway, its not an area particularly renowned for its muslim population, yet I saw Burkha after Burkha after Burkha.

Change is happening so quickly, its disquieting.

bkkandrew

Quite. I have actually seen these Darth Vadar types clearing Immigration and Customs in the UK unchallenged!

panama hat

How do you know it is her anyway? Distinguishing features?

Going into Singapore a few weeks back a woman in front of me was asked to lift her veil by the female Immigration officer . . . the veiled one was reluctant and kept looking back at her husband in obvious fear (of what I don't know) and he looked none-too happy.
Eventually she was told that either she lifts the veil or she will be refused entry
. . . she lifted . . . and was let in.

I find it difficult to accept that some groups are recalcitrant of others' way of life and laws, yet demand respect for theirs.

Marmite the Dog

Only because our immigration dept is over-ran with them.

Texpat

The more we bend our laws to accommodate them, it seems, the more they demand. When the Oirish and Eyetalians and Yerumans came to America 150 years ago, it was assimilate or wither-on-the-vine.

Today immigrants set up their own communities with no intent of assimilation whatsoever. They watch satellite TV in their home language, buy preferred foods in their local shops, interact with the natives only to the extent they have to. Their children are automatic citizens and they're afforded the anchor to live there forever. When they become citizens themselves, little changes.

They only fall into line when the law demands it and even then contest every judgment. IMO, they're only immigrants in the geographic sense.

machangezi

A right decision, IMO. If she wants to live in France then obviously she should follow the laws of state. I mean her radical practice of Islam is incompatible with French values.

If she wants to live there, she will have to adopt to their ways of life. I do blame the French authorities, partially though, for allowing her to stay there since 2000. They should have chucked her out back then.

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Travelmate

could be a new beginning. Perhaps others will follow France's example. hopefully

AntRobertson

The Irish, Italians and Germans set up their own communities too. They did as people naturally tend to do; congregate with their own kind. Sections of New York are famous for this and people still indentify themselves (and are indentified by others) as Irish-American, Italian-American and so forth.

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