Thread: France rejects veiled Muslim wife

She is probably on her way to the UK right now to be welcomed wth open arms

Milk,

I was just wondering that when I read this and almost posted,

I mean look at Thailand. We can NEVER be citizens here and NEVER have rights. NEVER own land or be able to work without jumping through a bunch of hoops.

So why does the West not base there issuance of citizenship based on the country of the applicant.

Fo Thais, all they would be able to get would be a 1 year VISA. If they get divorced, they get deported. If they commit a crime, they get deported.

Why not mirror the applicant's country's rules on immigration?

Geez, then the Thai immy boys would be dealing with 180 different sets of rules.

They'd just shut down from intimidation.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Geez, then the Thai immy boys would be dealing with 180 different sets of rules.

They'd just shut down from intimidation.

No, not really.

Just citizenship. If Thailand will not let a foreigner become a citizen, then the US should not either. The only rule!

It might encourage other Thailand to slacken or change their rules on citizenship.

Originally Posted by chitown

I mean look at Thailand. We can NEVER be citizens here and NEVER have rights. NEVER own land or be able to work without jumping through a bunch of hoops.

Yeah but thailand is a bit different to france, thailand is just a foking playground run by idiots. France is a proper country with rule of law and a future.

Well few farang have gained thai citizenship, just a heap of hoops to jump through. I think most dont want to jump through the hoops.

In the US, if an immigrant is married to a US citizen, they are pretty much guaranteed citizenship. It will just take some time.

No hoops. No three ring circus that cost a bunch of money.

Good to see one European country with balls.

That photo must be getting CMN very excited.

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Originally Posted by Red dragon

She is probably on her way to the UK right now to be welcomed wth open arms

Alas, that was my first thought on reading this post as well.

Of all those that have settled in the UK, I find the veiled ladies and their men the most difficult to come to terms with.

I was driving down Brentford High Street the other day, well stuck in traffic anyway, its not an area particularly renowned for its muslim population, yet I saw Burkha after Burkha after Burkha.

Change is happening so quickly, its disquieting.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Good to see one European country with balls.

Quite. I have actually seen these Darth Vadar types clearing Immigration and Customs in the UK unchallenged!

Originally Posted by Texpat

(*edit* BBC originally had a photo of the woman, which I posted here. When I saw it missing, I thought a mod removed the photo, so I went back to the BBC site and it's gone from there. Maybe they used it without her permission.)

How do you know it is her anyway? Distinguishing features?

Going into Singapore a few weeks back a woman in front of me was asked to lift her veil by the female Immigration officer . . . the veiled one was reluctant and kept looking back at her husband in obvious fear (of what I don't know) and he looked none-too happy.
Eventually she was told that either she lifts the veil or she will be refused entry
. . . she lifted . . . and was let in.

I find it difficult to accept that some groups are recalcitrant of others' way of life and laws, yet demand respect for theirs.

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

I have actually seen these Darth Vadar types clearing Immigration and Customs in the UK unchallenged!

Only because our immigration dept is over-ran with them.

A right decision, IMO. If she wants to live in France then obviously she should follow the laws of state. I mean her radical practice of Islam is incompatible with French values.

If she wants to live there, she will have to adopt to their ways of life. I do blame the French authorities, partially though, for allowing her to stay there since 2000. They should have chucked her out back then.

could be a new beginning. Perhaps others will follow France's example. hopefully

Originally Posted by Texpat

The more we bend our laws to accommodate them, it seems, the more they demand. When the Oirish and Eyetalians and Yerumans came to America 150 years ago, it was assimilate or wither-on-the-vine.

Today immigrants set up their own communities with no intent of assimilation whatsoever. They only fall into line when the law demands it and even then contest every judgment. IMO, they're only immigrants in the geographic sense.

The Irish, Italians and Germans set up their own communities too. They did as people naturally tend to do; congregate with their own kind. Sections of New York are famous for this and people still indentify themselves (and are indentified by others) as Irish-American, Italian-American and so forth.

But hey hang on! Can't we take it as a "freedom of expression". I mean doesn't she have the right to wear what she deems fit for her? Or has she been rejected on the grounds that she really is a "radical nutjob"?

I do blame the French authorities as well for allowing her to stay there since 2000. They should have chucked her out back then.

How might they have know she wouldn't change?

Insofar as I'm a long term resident of Thailand, I consider myself in the same class.
I shop in Thai stores, eat at Thai restaurants and live in a Thai neighborhood. There isn't another farang within 8 kilometers of me. While I know this may not be the case with all farangs in Thailand, we generally make an effort to be among them (by choice or by necessity).

The same is not the case for many (at least some) immigrants to the west. Koreans in Los Angeles are particularly clannish. You can drive into a neighborhood and not see a sign in English for several miles.

The Irish, Italians and Germans set up their own communities too. They did as people naturally tend to do; congregate with their own kind. Sections of New York are famous for this and people still indentify themselves (and are indentified by others) as Irish-American, Italian-American and so forth.

Yes they set up communities, but not to the exclusion of other residents of the city.

Originally Posted by Gerbil

That photo must be getting CMN very excited.

i was married to a muslim in Turkey.

I used to get her to dress up in a scarf and nothing else.

Originally Posted by Texpat

The Irish, Italians and Germans set up their own communities too. They did as people naturally tend to do; congregate with their own kind. Sections of New York are famous for this and people still indentify themselves (and are indentified by others) as Irish-American, Italian-American and so forth.

Yes they set up communities, but not to the exclusion of other residents of the city.

Who is being excluded? It's not like there's barriers around the Korean areas is there.

They don't call 'Little Italy', well, Little Italy for nothing. Same goes for Chinatown etc. It's human nature that people congregate with those most similar to themselves.

It's funny that new immigrants are expected to do overnight what took the first immigrants generations to do (and we're still seeing vestiges of it now).

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Texpat

The more we bend our laws to accommodate them, it seems, the more they demand. When the Oirish and Eyetalians and Yerumans came to America 150 years ago, it was assimilate or wither-on-the-vine.

Today immigrants set up their own communities with no intent of assimilation whatsoever. They only fall into line when the law demands it and even then contest every judgment. IMO, they're only immigrants in the geographic sense.

The Irish, Italians and Germans set up their own communities too. They did as people naturally tend to do; congregate with their own kind. Sections of New York are famous for this and people still identify themselves (and are indentified by others) as Irish-American, Italian-American and so forth.

True, and they brought a wealth of ideas and values to their adopted country - same goes for Aus, SA, Germany, NZ, Israel etc . . .

In this context, however, it was easier for them to assimilate, something that is quite different with other groups of recent migrants. No-one expects them to assimilate immediately but the pre-requisites are simply not there . . . one just has to look at the Middle-Eastern community in Sydney to see that . . . two of the main features are lacking: intermingling and intermarriage with 'locals'
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