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AntRobertson

I don't think that's strictly true. There are areas of certain racial constitution in certain cities all over the world where others are made to feel, at the very least, 'unwelcome'. It's yet another sad and sorry fact of human existence that people can not like others based purely on what race they are (or aren't, as the case may be).

No idea. They should perhaps seek a new line of work if they are though.

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chitown

Some good reading. many pages, so here is an excerpt

Foreign Affairs - Europe's Angry Muslims - Robert S. Leiken


YOUR LAND IS MY LAND


Today, Muslims constitute the majority of immigrants in most western European countries, including Belgium, France, Germany, and the Netherlands, and the largest single component of the immigrant population in the United Kingdom. Exact numbers are hard to come by because Western censuses rarely ask respondents about their faith. But it is estimated that between 15 and 20 million Muslims now call Europe home and make up four to five percent of its total population. (Muslims in the United States probably do not exceed 3 million, accounting for less than two percent of the total population.)



France has the largest proportion of Muslims (seven to ten percent of its total population), followed by the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and Italy. Given continued immigration and high Muslim fertility rates, the National Intelligence Council projects that Europe's Muslim population will double by 2025.


Unlike their U.S. counterparts, who entered a gigantic country built on immigration, most Muslim newcomers to western Europe started arriving only after World War II, crowding into small, culturally homogenous nations. Their influx was a new phenomenon for many host states and often unwelcome. Meanwhile, North African immigrants retained powerful attachments to their native cultures. So unlike American Muslims, who are geographically diffuse, ethnically fragmented, and generally well off, Europe's Muslims gather in bleak enclaves with their compatriots: Algerians in France, Moroccans in Spain, Turks in Germany, and Pakistanis in the United Kingdom.


The footprint of Muslim immigrants in Europe is already more visible than that of the Hispanic population in the United States. Unlike the jumble of nationalities that make up the American Latino community, the Muslims of western Europe are likely to be distinct, cohesive, and bitter. In Europe, host countries that never learned to integrate newcomers collide with immigrants exceptionally retentive of their ways, producing a variant of what the French scholar Olivier Roy calls "globalized Islam": militant Islamic resentment at Western dominance, anti-imperialism exalted by revivalism.

As the French academic Gilles Kepel acknowledges, "neither the blood spilled by Muslims from North Africa fighting in French uniforms during both world wars nor the sweat of migrant laborers, living under deplorable living conditions, who rebuilt France (and Europe) for a pittance after 1945, has made their children ... full fellow citizens." Small wonder, then, that a radical leader of the Union of Islamic Organizations of France, a group associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, curses his new homeland: "Oh sweet France! Are you astonished that so many of your children commune in a stinging naal bou la France [fuck France], and damn your Fathers?

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chitown

page 2 excerpt

Foreign Affairs - Europe's Angry Muslims - Robert S. Leiken

GOING DUTCH

The uncomfortable truth is that disenfranchisement and radicalization are happening even in countries, such as the Netherlands, that have done much to accommodate Muslim immigrants. Proud of a legendary tolerance of minorities, the Netherlands welcomed tens of thousands of Muslim asylum seekers allegedly escaping persecution. Immigrants availed themselves of generous welfare and housing benefits, an affirmative-action hiring policy, and free language courses. Dutch taxpayers funded Muslim religious schools and mosques, and public television broadcast programs in Moroccan Arabic. Mohammed Bouyeri was collecting unemployment benefits when he murdered van Gogh.



The van Gogh slaying rocked the Netherlands and neighboring countries not only because the victim, a provocative filmmaker, was a descendant of the painter Vincent, the Dutch's most cherished icon, but also because Bouyeri was "an average second-generation immigrant," according to Stef Blok, the chairman of the parliamentary commission reviewing Bouyeri's immigration record. European counterterrorism authorities saw the killing as a new phase in the terrorist threat. It raised the specter of Middle East-style political assassinations as part of the European jihadist arsenal and it disclosed a new source of danger: unknown individuals among Europe's own Muslims. The cell in Hamburg that was connected to the attacks of September 11, 2001, was composed of student visitors, and the Madrid train bombings of March 2004 were committed by Moroccan immigrants. But van Gogh's killer and his associates were born and raised in Europe.

panama hat

Being afraid of entering certain areas is certainly not exclusive to Muslim neighbourhoods - actually I'm not sure that is true at all . . .

Actually, both you and I grew up in a place that has quite a few areas like this - how about Cabrini Green?
I lived in Wilmette, went to school at Northwestern . . . I wouldn't ever have even thought about going near the place . . . I doubt there are many Muslims there.

South Auckland - Maori
Redfern (Sydney) - Aborigines
South-Central LA

No Muslims there.


I do agree with you that the religion itself is the cause/effect of alienation - from both sides.

chitown

Get outa here!!!!!!

I am from Edgewater on the North side.

Went to Senn High.

panama hat

Edgewater? Hehehe . . . so close - my first job was at K-Mart on N. Elston.

Who would have thought you and I had something in common?!

EmperorTud

My Immigration Official contact says there is a quota on Westerners. And it is only a few hundred a year.

caller

Meanwhile, back in good old Blighty........

BBC NEWS | Politics | Bail plan for illegal immigrants

I mean, you couldn't make this up could you? For a start how will they have the funds to pay for the bail? Answer: Having done something illegal.

And then to allow them back in? Why throw 'em out in the first place?

As for tagging, just unbelievable.

Its absolute nuts.

EmperorTud

^ What I want to know is why we are allowing any new immigrants other than relatives of UK citizens or needed skilled labour into the country at all, given that England is now one of the most populated nations on the planet in regards to its size.

caller

I think its to replace all those looking to go the other way!

Maybe in a few years time there will be a competition to replace the name with something more suitable?

good2bhappy

^^ There are plenty of empty places in Scotland and Wales

Red dragon

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Piss off we have our fair share of the feckers already!!!!!


A quote from the visa application to uk guide.....................................
Digital photographs must be of your full face and you should not wear sunglasses, hat or any other head covering (unless you wear it for cultural or religious reasons).
Shocking!!!!

Travelmate

The more stay in England the better.

panama hat

Sorry to go off tangent again - I just remembered that the K-Mart wasn't the one I mentioned - there is/was one on Main just out of Skokie . . .

chitown

If we all thought the exactly the same, then Teakdoor (not to mention the whole world) would be a boring place!!