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Texpat

^ Agreed. That whole idea of blaming parents for the action of fully-grown children (19-years-old in this case) is garbage.

I am a product of my parents. They had some measure of influence on how I turned out. They are not to blame or applaud for actions I make as an adult.

Marmite the Dog

Where's me farkin' green?!

Milkman

Agree.

But one question: what is the background of his son. If his son had a clean record, didn't run with gangs, than grassing him up is terrible.

He apparently was afraid of some men. Why? But still, if I was afraid of some men in the USA, I'd carry one of my many guns.

I know, it's the UK, but how do you defend yourself against violence?

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Morden

[quote=Milkman;665101]The law is vague on this point. You are allowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself. Hand guns are illegal unless you are the old bill shooting Brazilian electricians on their way to work but more criminals carry them these days. So, if you are faced in your own home my a gun carrying intruder, for example, you may be allowed to hit him on the head. You won't know until the intruder sues you for assault and the Court decides whether you acted in self defence or committed a criminal act - I kid you not.

There's a backlash against this and the ineffectiveness of policing. People are more prepared to use household implements to defend themselves. The possession of a hand gun in the UK probably indicates a connection with drug dealing.

astasinim

[quote=Morden;665149]I think youd probably find it very hard to convince a judge that was self defence. You would be expected to answer why you chose to hit him over the head, as your first line of attack. Why not the arm that held the weapon? In the eyes of the law, your supposed to only use as much force as is necessary to allow you to escape from harms way.

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Morden

I think you're correct.

Do you remember farmer Martin in Norfolk? He got so fed up with the pikies breaking into his home that he waited for them one night with his shotgun. He killed one and hit another in the leg. He was imprisoned for a while but in the face of a lot of criticism and was released early. The pikie with the leg wound sued Martin but his case was thrown our when secret video showed that his bad limp was faked.

Ivor Biggun

If you read the full story and saw his photo you'd know he wasn't the sort to help old ladies across the road unless it was to rob them for drugs money. He was involved with drug gangs according to the news article and his excuse of holding the gun for someone else are his words. Nobody came forward to claim it. The little twat was up to no good and deserved the full 5 year term not 3. Keep the drug dealers off the streets.

Morden

How bad would your own son have to be before you shopped him?

Ivor Biggun

As bad as the dude having the gun. By having the gun in the house he is also involving his family members. He obviously didn't give a shit about them so why be considerate to him.

jandajoy

It's all part of the
"Nature - Nurture" arguement.
And
" Parental vs Social influence".

One thing I'm sure of;

a lot of parents have completely given up on nurturing their kids and believe that teachers, social workers and the state will do it for them.
It's endemic in the UK and Australia for sure.

I commend the father for the stance that he took. He accepted responsibility and made a decision. Doesn't happen that often in the UK now. More's the pity.

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November Rain

I'm interested in the fact that some members seem to believe the fact that the boy was acting under peer pressure & hiding the gun for others that he is afraid of & will not name. What is your basis for believing that? The fact that he said it & it was then reported in the media? Do you really expect him to say " I was planning an armed robbery" or "I was going to go postal in a school" or "I was going to murder my ex-girlfriend"? Of course he will blame someone else. Does that make it the truth?

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jandajoy

^ Absolutely right. The first option has to be to blame it on some thing or somebody else.
I see no reason to doubt that there is a distinct possibility that he'd got the gun and had every intention of using it for his own purposes.

I'm afraid that the fact that he's 19 is irrelevent.

BugginOut

Exactly. As if there aren't varying degrees of retards, idiots, and other reprobates born into the world that no quality of parenting or guidance could cure.

"We had to let Jeffrey Dahmer go, because he was a product of society."

Get real.

kingwilly

exactly.