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cujo · 04-07-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jandajoy

I read the above quoted articles this morning.

MEDIA HYPE !!!!!

Read them carefully and the Sharia law thing is a nonsense and the "English girls trafficked" pure sensationalism.

You know this how? You investigated these things yourself?

jandajoy · 04-07-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jandajoy

I read the above quoted articles this morning.

MEDIA HYPE !!!!!

Read them carefully and the Sharia law thing is a nonsense and the "English girls trafficked" pure sensationalism.

You know this how? You investigated these things yourself?

Firstly, I read them this morning. I read them again a second time as I was interested.
I looked at the words. Put them together into sentences and then paragraphs. Having achieved a reasonably satisfactory understanding of the literature I then dded a healthy dose of cynicism, a spot of common sense and a load of contemt for the modern media. Particularly the UK press.

Mix it all together and come out with a subjective view point.

bkkandrew · 05-07-2008, 03:49 PM

UK gets its first 'Ghost Tower' a la Bangkok!

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Credit crunch halts work on high-rise flats

Jul 4 2008 Tim Lewis, South Wales Echo

WORK has come to a halt at one of Cardiff’s new luxury apartment developments, sparking fears the project has been mothballed.

Six storeys of a 17-storey apartment block have been built but work has stopped after a buyer pulled out.

It is believed a single buyer had planned to buy a large number of the apartments but problems with the housing market caused by the credit crunch have forced them to rethink.

Continued at:

Credit crunch halts work on high-rise flats - WalesOnline

colourful-era · 06-07-2008, 09:01 PM

a ridiculous immigration policy over the last few years has only enhanced the problems of this already over-crowded isle.

what a disgrace that the short sighted right-wing liberals have let in unlimited hordes of desperados (from the new EU countries) to overheat the economy and thus result in the current devestation of recession , unemployment (for locals) and wage decreases.

The only ones benefiting long term from this are the Poles etc.. who have saved enough cash to go back home and buy their own land or property and still be eligible for UK 'benefits' - can't quite see that happening the other way round. Imagine working in Warsaw (for example) clearing tables for 5 years and then going back to the UK and buying a small place in the countryside - I don't think so!

AntRobertson · 06-07-2008, 09:09 PM

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right-wing liberals

Are they like the opposition party to the left-wing conservatives or sumfing?

colourful-era · 07-07-2008, 12:01 PM

You seem to have a problem understanding the concept of right-wing liberalsim - I think we've been through this nonsense before with our friend Sam Rainsy etc..

Various 'New Labour' types and their ilk are close to right-wing liberal status. - but you , I think , may fit the description well (or do you need a 'source' for that one?)

anyway, I thought you'd left this place for greener pastures.

Libertarian conservatism
Main article: Libertarian conservatism
Constrast to paleoconservatives, libertarian conservatives support free trade, strict laissez-faire policies on economics. They are vehemently opposed to environmental regulations, corporate welfare, subsidies, and other areas of economic intervention. Many of them have views in accord to Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard.
Libertarian conservatives are more tolerant to drug legalization and illegal immigration than paleoconservatives. They see that illegal immigration is caused by the welfare state, that should be first get rid of. However, many of them oppose abortion, as they see it as a positive liberty and violates the non-aggression principle because abortion is aggression towards the fetus.[6

AntRobertson · 07-07-2008, 12:10 PM

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Tony Blair, Hilary Clinton and their ilk are close to right-wing liberal status. - but you , I think , may fit the description well (or do you need a 'source' for that one?)

Well political labels are an inherently flawed idea at the best of times. Much less applying one to someone that you only 'know' through an anonymous internet forum. It may be convenient to think that with one stroke of the pen (so to speak) you can nicely pigeon-hole a persons entire political beliefs system but it's a fallacy really, innit.

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anyway, I thought you'd left this place for greener pastures.

So did I.

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Libertarian conservatism

And your point is... ? That has nothing to do with "right-wing liberals".

colourful-era · 07-07-2008, 12:18 PM

Ok, I was only applying it to you for fun so don't get too worked up about that one.

'right-wing liberal' is a convenient lay-man's term to describe Libertarian Conservatism or other such similar ideologies.

Agent_Smith · 07-07-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by colourful-era

'right-wing liberal' is a convenient lay-man's term

...actually sounds like a contradiction in terms. But in the US we may have different meanings than the UK. Liberal=Left wing and Conservative=Right wing. A right wing liberal is like saying hot ice water or a black piece of white paper.

colourful-era · 07-07-2008, 07:38 PM

Well you can have hot ice water - here in Cambodia in many of the local restaurants they give you a glass of ice into which you pour hot tea - so for a short period you do in fact have a type of 'hot ice-water'.

But being a right-wing liberal is nothing new whatsoever.

You would have strong liberal tendencies with a good measure of right-wing capitalism thrown in, but basically you would be conservative.
Possibly the Clintons of this world belong in such a group.

colourful-era · 07-07-2008, 07:39 PM

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And your point is... ? That has nothing to do with "right-wing liberals".

you can call it Conservative Liberalism if you like.

AntRobertson · 07-07-2008, 07:46 PM

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And your point is... ? That has nothing to do with "right-wing liberals".

you can call it Conservative Liberalism if you like.

That's the point, attaching a label is an unnecessary limitation. As has already been noted these labels can and do very between countries; they are pointless and ultimately meaningless. Any meaning you ascribe to them (and by virture of that another group of people) is only meaningful to you.

colourful-era · 07-07-2008, 07:54 PM

I am a right-wing Communist if you must know. -but this could mean many things from being an outright Nazi to a Socialist -

So yes, I agree - these types of labels could more or less be interpreted in any way you saw fit and are really only of use in the Political Science classroom.

still, it's always fun to try and argue over the toss of a coin with you.

AntRobertson · 07-07-2008, 07:58 PM

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still, it's always fun to try and argue over the toss of a coin with you.

Heads.

thegent · 08-07-2008, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

And your point is... ? That has nothing to do with "right-wing liberals".

you can call it Conservative Liberalism if you like.

That's the point, attaching a label is an unnecessary limitation. As has already been noted these labels can and do very between countries; they are pointless and ultimately meaningless. Any meaning you ascribe to them (and by virture of that another group of people) is only meaningful to you.

Simplistic tosh!

Providing terms are defined and understood then labels are indispensable as a means of communicating information. The problem I think you are trying to explain is that more often than not most are too stupid or ignorant to take pains to understand what it is they actually mean. That's not the fault of language but of it's application.

Labels are good, Sainsbury's been using them for years .......

cujo · 08-07-2008, 10:22 AM

Good grief, have these people nothing better to do? A toddler turning its nose up at unfamiliar food does NOT constitute racism you fucking TWATS. The toddler doesn't associate food with race.

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Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist'

By Rosa Prince, Political Correspondent
Last Updated: 10:15AM BST 07/07/2008
Toddlers who turn their noses up at spicy food from overseas could be branded racists by a Government-sponsored agency.

The National Children's Bureau, which receives £12 million a year, mainly from Government funded organisations, has issued guidance to play leaders and nursery teachers advising them to be alert for racist incidents among youngsters in their care.
This could include a child of as young as three who says "yuk" in response to being served unfamiliar foreign food.
The guidance by the NCB is designed to draw attention to potentially-racist attitudes in youngsters from a young age.

It alerts playgroup leaders that even babies can not be ignored in the drive to root out prejudice as they can "recognise different people in their lives".
The 366-page guide for staff in charge of pre-school children, called Young Children and Racial Justice, warns: "Racist incidents among children in early years settings tend to be around name-calling, casual thoughtless comments and peer group relationships."
It advises nursery teachers to be on the alert for childish abuse such as: "blackie", "Pakis", "those people" or "they smell".
The guide goes on to warn that children might also "react negatively to a culinary tradition other than their own by saying 'yuk'".
Staff are told: "No racist incident should be ignored. When there is a clear racist incident, it is necessary to be specific in condemning the action."
Warning that failing to pick children up on their racist attitudes could instil prejudice, the NCB adds that if children "reveal negative attitudes, the lack of censure may indicate to the child that there is nothing unacceptable about such attitudes".
Nurseries are encouraged to report as many incidents as possible to their local council. The guide added: "Some people think that if a large number of racist incidents are reported, this will reflect badly on the institution. In fact, the opposite is the case."

Toddlers who dislike spicy food racist, say report - Telegraph

AntRobertson · 08-07-2008, 10:54 AM

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And your point is... ? That has nothing to do with "right-wing liberals".

you can call it Conservative Liberalism if you like.

That's the point, attaching a label is an unnecessary limitation. As has already been noted these labels can and do very between countries; they are pointless and ultimately meaningless. Any meaning you ascribe to them (and by virture of that another group of people) is only meaningful to you.

Simplistic tosh!

Providing terms are defined and understood then labels are indispensable as a means of communicating information...

I see what you're getting at there but you're off on a tangent. We're talking political labels here, the point is that they are only 'defined and understood' by the person applying them. "Liberal" in the US is vastly different from "Liberal" as it is applied in the UK. It can even differ between users in any one country.

thegent · 09-07-2008, 04:01 AM

Tangental thinking was neither my aim nor was it apparent in my post which with all respect I do not think you have actually understood otherwise you would not have said what you did.

Never mind, it comes as no surprise.

Semantics are given short shrift in today's world not least because the sloppy of thought continually, and probably fashionably since industry is definitely passe, confuse the subject with pedantry.

In a word, most modern drivel resolves to laziness which probably explains the existence of Britvic and his incessant banality which in any right thinking society would have ended in his crucifixion on the cross of mediocrity which you seem to be championing by your silliness.

You remind me of the precocious child of 5 whose potential ran out when the jelly did.

Please up your game, if you have one.

Toodle pip!

07-07-2008, 12:01 PM	#146 (permalink)
colourful-era born of a jackal Last Online: 15-07-2008 07:05 PM Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Phnom Penh Posts: 2,629	You seem to have a problem understanding the concept of right-wing liberalsim - I think we've been through this nonsense before with our friend Sam Rainsy etc.. Various 'New Labour' types and their ilk are close to right-wing liberal status. - but you , I think , may fit the description well (or do you need a 'source' for that one?) anyway, I thought you'd left this place for greener pastures. Libertarian conservatism Main article: Libertarian conservatism Constrast to paleoconservatives, libertarian conservatives support free trade, strict laissez-faire policies on economics. They are vehemently opposed to environmental regulations, corporate welfare, subsidies, and other areas of economic intervention. Many of them have views in accord to Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard. Libertarian conservatives are more tolerant to drug legalization and illegal immigration than paleoconservatives. They see that illegal immigration is caused by the welfare state, that should be first get rid of. However, many of them oppose abortion, as they see it as a positive liberty and violates the non-aggression principle because abortion is aggression towards the fetus.[6 Last edited by colourful-era : 07-07-2008 at 12:08 PM.

06-07-2008, 09:01 PM	#144 (permalink)
colourful-era born of a jackal Last Online: 15-07-2008 07:05 PM Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Phnom Penh Posts: 2,629	a ridiculous immigration policy over the last few years has only enhanced the problems of this already over-crowded isle. what a disgrace that the short sighted right-wing liberals have let in unlimited hordes of desperados (from the new EU countries) to overheat the economy and thus result in the current devestation of recession , unemployment (for locals) and wage decreases. The only ones benefiting long term from this are the Poles etc.. who have saved enough cash to go back home and buy their own land or property and still be eligible for UK 'benefits' - can't quite see that happening the other way round. Imagine working in Warsaw (for example) clearing tables for 5 years and then going back to the UK and buying a small place in the countryside - I don't think so!

07-07-2008, 12:18 PM	#148 (permalink)
colourful-era born of a jackal Last Online: 15-07-2008 07:05 PM Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Phnom Penh Posts: 2,629	Ok, I was only applying it to you for fun so don't get too worked up about that one. 'right-wing liberal' is a convenient lay-man's term to describe Libertarian Conservatism or other such similar ideologies.

07-07-2008, 07:38 PM	#150 (permalink)
colourful-era born of a jackal Last Online: 15-07-2008 07:05 PM Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Phnom Penh Posts: 2,629	Well you can have hot ice water - here in Cambodia in many of the local restaurants they give you a glass of ice into which you pour hot tea - so for a short period you do in fact have a type of 'hot ice-water'. But being a right-wing liberal is nothing new whatsoever. You would have strong liberal tendencies with a good measure of right-wing capitalism thrown in, but basically you would be conservative. Possibly the Clintons of this world belong in such a group.

07-07-2008, 07:54 PM	#153 (permalink)
colourful-era born of a jackal Last Online: 15-07-2008 07:05 PM Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Phnom Penh Posts: 2,629	I am a right-wing Communist if you must know. -but this could mean many things from being an outright Nazi to a Socialist - So yes, I agree - these types of labels could more or less be interpreted in any way you saw fit and are really only of use in the Political Science classroom. still, it's always fun to try and argue over the toss of a coin with you.

09-07-2008, 04:01 AM	#158 (permalink)
thegent Trat Last Online: 21-11-2008 09:43 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 409	Tangental thinking was neither my aim nor was it apparent in my post which with all respect I do not think you have actually understood otherwise you would not have said what you did. Never mind, it comes as no surprise. Semantics are given short shrift in today's world not least because the sloppy of thought continually, and probably fashionably since industry is definitely passe, confuse the subject with pedantry. In a word, most modern drivel resolves to laziness which probably explains the existence of Britvic and his incessant banality which in any right thinking society would have ended in his crucifixion on the cross of mediocrity which you seem to be championing by your silliness. You remind me of the precocious child of 5 whose potential ran out when the jelly did. Please up your game, if you have one. Toodle pip!

09-07-2008, 01:13 PM	#159 (permalink)
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