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John L · 23-04-2008, 04:03 AM

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it doesn't matter, retail consumers is not their primary target, they make a fortune with corporations, their license contract force them to upgrade to latest Windows version if they want support, or else they are fucked

This is true. At our place we're moving away from licensed applications and using free stuff like Thunderbird and Open Office, as it's just too expensive to use licensed English language software. Another company I know moved over to Linux for everyone in the office a couple of years ago and is very happy.

I don't agree that they are actually "forced" to conform, but there are certainly pressures, just as there are with just about everything else in the world, where humans interact.

However, getting away from Microsoft, I view as a good thing, in many respects. Without good solid competition, there is no real incintive for Redmond Wa. to put their noses to the grindstone and come up with a good product that the public can tet better service.

I currently use Linux as well as Microsoft,a nd find it to be almost within reach of being a viable alternative to Windows. I figure a couple more upgrades, and they will finally have arrived. And to my thinking, this could not come at a sooner time.

Linux has really come a long way in the last few years, thank heavens!

Plan B · 23-04-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by John L

I just use one OS for each drive. All I have to do is just turn off the computer, remove the current OS, and insert another one, and turn the computer back on. That way I don't have to make a choice between which OS I want to use every time I reboot my compter. I absolutely hate to have to keep hitting keys every time I restart or reboot the computer. It's a total waste of time.

How can having to remove and reinsert hard drives to change the OS be more efficient than a few keystrokes?

stroller · 23-04-2008, 05:18 PM

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^ John, are you retarded or just trolling again ?

Both, by the looks of it.

Now he claims Japan was a "Leftist regime" during WW2.

John L · 24-04-2008, 01:01 AM

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I just use one OS for each drive. All I have to do is just turn off the computer, remove the current OS, and insert another one, and turn the computer back on. That way I don't have to make a choice between which OS I want to use every time I reboot my compter. I absolutely hate to have to keep hitting keys every time I restart or reboot the computer. It's a total waste of time.

How can having to remove and reinsert hard drives to change the OS be more efficient than a few keystrokes?

It's far better because if something goes wrong with the HD, you have two screwed up OSs. And since storage is so cheap, it is better to have the OSs seperate from each other.

Also, if you turn off your system when not in use, you are better off, than leaving it on all the time. Parts wear out. And every time you reboot, you have to be around to hit the keyboard to decide what you want. If you have seperate HDs, you just turn on the computer, go out and fix your coffee, and when you return, you are ready to 'rock'.

It's just always good policy to seperate OSs, just as it is always good policy to use an exterior HD to back up your files and folders you value.

I love my 'removable tray' setup. Serious! It is so easy, cheap, and I never have to worry about one OS getting mixed up with the other.

John L · 24-04-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by stroller

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ John, are you retarded or just trolling again ?

Both, by the looks of it.

Now he claims Japan was a "Leftist regime" during WW2.

I love you too Stroll.

Wallalai · 24-04-2008, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Plan B

How can having to remove and reinsert hard drives to change the OS be more efficient than a few keystrokes?

Right, actually with the GRUB bootloader installed in the MBR just a push on tje "down arrow" key boots XP, doing nothing boots Linux. And some genius want to convince us that removing and inserting a harddisk is simplier.

Maybe John L could explain why it's simplier than pushing a key ? In both cases you have to reboot the machine.

Wallalai · 24-04-2008, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by John L

Also, if you turn off your system when not in use, you are better off, than leaving it on all the time.

In the middle age maybe, but it's no more the case. What about the web servers who run 24/7 for years ?

John L · 24-04-2008, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallalai

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Originally Posted by Plan B

How can having to remove and reinsert hard drives to change the OS be more efficient than a few keystrokes?

Right, actually with the GRUB bootloader installed in the MBR just a push on tje "down arrow" key boots XP, doing nothing boots Linux. And some genius want to convince us that removing and inserting a harddisk is simplier.

Maybe John L could explain why it's simplier than pushing a key ? In both cases you have to reboot the machine.

That's fine, if you want to load up your hard drive with more than one OS, that's your business. To me it's simplier to use one most of the time, which is XP, and ocassionally go to one of two or three brands of Linux, when I wish, by reinserting that OS.

If I reboot, I just click on the "Reboot" or "Turn off" button, and forget about having to go back to the computer. I almost always turn off my computer at night, because of the wear and tear on moving parts, such as fans, and hard drive discs. I used to keep my computer on all the time, until the cooling fan to my Athalon went out and I burned it up.

If I reboot, just that one button needs be pushed and I can come back to a fully loaded desktop.

If you like it the other way, feel free. It's your computer.

Butterfly · 28-04-2008, 11:13 AM

^ actually JohnL, turning off and on the HD is what destroy them, you would be better off leaving them on all the time and use GRUB as a boot loader

You seem to be very much misinformed on that topic, one more among many others I might add

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matsalleh · 28-04-2008, 01:52 PM

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An interesting part also here:

In yet another sign of the market's resistance to Windows Vista, Dell (NSDQ

ell) Computer, Hewlett Packard (NYSE:HPQ), and Sony on Wednesday all confirmed plans to exercise the downgrade rights Microsoft offers with OEM versions of Windows Vista Business and Vista Ultimate in order to continue offering XP-equipped PCs to their customers.

Downgrade rights, which Microsoft also offers to volume licensing customers, give users the ability to roll back to the previous version of the product they're using. Downgrade rights have existed since 2001 for Windows, but many Microsoft partners say they've been seeing a recent uptick in the number of customers exercising downgrade rights to roll Vista back to XP Professional.

HP will sell PCs pre-installed with XP Professional on its business desktops, notebooks and workstations until July 30, 2009, a spokesperson for the Palo Alto, Calif.-based vendor said in an email to ChannelWeb.

"After June 30, 2008, if a customer already has the XP image and license, HP also can also install that customer's image on their Vista Business systems through our HP PC Customization Services," the spokesperson said.

Dell, Round Rock, Texas, plans to offer Windows XP Professional pre-installed on new PCs for customers that buy Vista Business or Vista Ultimate "for as long as Microsoft supports it," according to a Dell spokesperson, who declined to offer a more specific timeframe.

A Microsoft spokesperson said OEMs have been given the right to provide downgrade media for Windows XP with new Windows Vista Business and Windows Vista Ultimate PCs until January 31, 2009, which is also the cutoff date for system builders.

OEMs appear to have different approaches to dealing with the time costs of performing the downgrade from Vista to XP Professional before shipment.

And Ballmer from MS tells now:
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matsalleh Kanchanaburi Last Online: 09-11-2008 11:27 AM Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 181	^ An interesting part also here: In yet another sign of the market's resistance to Windows Vista, Dell (NSDQell) Computer, Hewlett Packard (NYSE:HPQ), and Sony on Wednesday all confirmed plans to exercise the downgrade rights Microsoft offers with OEM versions of Windows Vista Business and Vista Ultimate in order to continue offering XP-equipped PCs to their customers. Downgrade rights, which Microsoft also offers to volume licensing customers, give users the ability to roll back to the previous version of the product they're using. Downgrade rights have existed since 2001 for Windows, but many Microsoft partners say they've been seeing a recent uptick in the number of customers exercising downgrade rights to roll Vista back to XP Professional. HP will sell PCs pre-installed with XP Professional on its business desktops, notebooks and workstations until July 30, 2009, a spokesperson for the Palo Alto, Calif.-based vendor said in an email to ChannelWeb. "After June 30, 2008, if a customer already has the XP image and license, HP also can also install that customer's image on their Vista Business systems through our HP PC Customization Services," the spokesperson said. Dell, Round Rock, Texas, plans to offer Windows XP Professional pre-installed on new PCs for customers that buy Vista Business or Vista Ultimate "for as long as Microsoft supports it," according to a Dell spokesperson, who declined to offer a more specific timeframe. A Microsoft spokesperson said OEMs have been given the right to provide downgrade media for Windows XP with new Windows Vista Business and Windows Vista Ultimate PCs until January 31, 2009, which is also the cutoff date for system builders. OEMs appear to have different approaches to dealing with the time costs of performing the downgrade from Vista to XP Professional before shipment. And Ballmer from MS tells now: Microsoft could "wake up" if enough people complain about the June 2008 expiration of Windows XP sales and noted that he would walk away from his proposed merger with Yahoo! if the deal didn't make sense. As Windows XP Deadline Looms, OEMs Turn To Vista Downgrade Rights - KezNews.com

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Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,641	^ actually JohnL, turning off and on the HD is what destroy them, you would be better off leaving them on all the time and use GRUB as a boot loader You seem to be very much misinformed on that topic, one more among many others I might add

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