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Butterfly · 17-03-2008, 10:24 AM

It would seem that in the last few years, dramatic climate change is already showing up as a direct result of our over consumption of Oil and other energy releasing CO2 in the atmosphere.

Despite the ridicule demonization of those facts by "lobbies" and the usual conservative idiots (who can't add 2+2 together btw), we seem to be heading to the end of our civilization if we keep going at that rate.

Should we choose economic power and unsustainable growth over our own preservation ? a lot of people would think so and apparently are not worried at all. Should we leave those individuals take the decisions for us ?

Basically, each great civilization has ended in chaos, mostly by "self-destruction", blinded by their own arrogance and "ignorance" of facts. We are about to overdose on our own stupidity and "ignorance" and that could mean the end of our civilization.

Would it be a bad thing if it was to be the only way to save the specie and the planet ?

britmaveric · 17-03-2008, 10:27 AM

Canada is having one of the worst winters on record. Perhaps you might explain why that is if we are having global warming?

Butterfly · 17-03-2008, 10:30 AM

^ actually, it is explained precisely by global warming. I suggest you document yourself on that topic

britmaveric · 17-03-2008, 10:31 AM

Perhaps an ice age is coming?

Boon Mee · 23-03-2008, 06:42 AM

Climate facts to warm to:

Climate facts to warm to | The Australian

Butterfly · 23-03-2008, 08:22 PM

^ any original thoughts you might want to add Boon mee ?

:criket:

Boon Mee · 23-03-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ any original thoughts you might want to add Boon mee ?

:criket:

Yeah!
This was the coldest winter I've ever spent in Brazil!
Global Warming my ass!

blackgang · 23-03-2008, 09:01 PM

Worst in China in 50 years, coldest in Sydney ever,

Butterfly · 23-03-2008, 10:42 PM

Speaking of China, did you know that emission standards in China are better than those in the US ?

Driventowin · 23-03-2008, 11:16 PM

^&^^&^^^ And yet Greenland is warmer than ever, warming more each year and warm enough now to even have a season long enough to farm and have cattle for the first time in centuries?? How does that happen? I wonder??

For them it's all good......

Boon Mee · 24-03-2008, 12:40 AM

^
Fok!
It's all good for everyone. Just got to shell out a little more to EGAT for the A/C bill is all...

cujo · 24-03-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Speaking of China, did you know that emission standards in China are better than those in the US ?

That's just funny.
Emission standards are pointless unless they're enforced.
Those standards apply to new cars as they come of the production line.
it doesn't apply to the millions of old buses and trucks belching fumes and black smoke.

Butterfly · 24-03-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

It's all good for everyone. Just got to shell out a little more to EGAT for the A/C bill is all...

keep laughing, you will probably the last to laugh when your balls are frozen solid in the middle of a nice summer day

floorpotato · 24-03-2008, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butterfly

It would seem that in the last few years, dramatic climate change is already showing up as a direct result of our over consumption of Oil and other energy releasing CO2 in the atmosphere. Despite the ridicule demonization of those facts by "lobbies" and the usual conservative idiots (who can't add 2+2 together btw), we seem to be heading to the end of our civilization if we keep going at that rate...

The corporate apologists who deny global warming are indeed idiots. However, it's a little less clear that CO2 emissions are a cause and not an effect of this warming. I sat through a rather uninformative Al Gore movie which completely glossed over this issue. If anyone on this forum has a good link to a book, article or other resource establishing a causal relationship between CO2 emissions and global warming please let me know. I'm not trying being rhetorical here and mean no offense to well-informed environmentalists. It's just that I would really like to study this topic on my own.

Milkman · 24-03-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by britmaveric

Canada is having one of the worst winters on record. Perhaps you might explain why that is if we are having global warming?

A Winter that is colder or mild, or hotter is not necessarily linked to the concept of "global warming."

blackgang · 24-03-2008, 03:44 PM

^No Shit,, startling deduction there sherlock..

But the records seem to show that overall the earth has lost some degree of heat every year for the last few years.
Most temporate regions have lost some and some frigid regions have gained a little heat, but overall it is a shade cooler.

Don't have a link as that is gleaned from a lot of reading I have done.

Milkman · 26-03-2008, 04:08 PM

^ BG: I have not idea what you're talking about.

Anyway, here is an interesting article. Amazing how such a large chunk of ice - the size of Connecticut, can slip or fall off.

Quote:

CNN) -- Some 220 square miles of ice has collapsed in Antarctica and an ice shelf about the size of Connecticut is "hanging by a thread," the British Antarctic Survey said Tuesday, blaming global warming.

Scientists say the size of the threatened shelf is about 5,282 square miles.

"We are in for a lot more events like this," said professor Ted Scambos, a glaciologist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado at Boulder.

Scambos alerted the British Antarctic Survey after he noticed part of the Wilkins ice shelf disintegrating on February 28, when he was looking at NASA satellite images.

Late February marks the end of summer at the South Pole and is the time when such events are most likely, he said.

Watch aerial footage of the area »
"The amazing thing was, we saw it within hours of it beginning, in between the morning and the afternoon pictures of that day," Scambos said of the large chunk that broke away on February 28.

The Wilkins ice shelf lost about 6 percent of its surface a decade ago, the British Antarctic Survey said in a statement on its Web site

Link: Massive ice shelf on verge of breakup - CNN.com

stroller · 28-03-2008, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackgang

But the records seem to show that overall the earth has lost some degree of heat every year for the last few years. Most temporate regions have lost some and some frigid regions have gained a little heat, but overall it is a shade cooler.

Yes, I have come across such claims as well.
It really is very difficult for a layperson to judge which sources to believe, I have seen seemingly convincing arguments with back-up data to make contradictory statements.
One could of course go by the reputation of who presents their case, but this can be misleading as well, since the very institutions involved are under attack.

Boon Mee · 07-04-2008, 02:31 AM

Why Hasn't This Man Been Arrested?

Northern Scum · 07-04-2008, 02:35 AM

Global temperatures haven't changed at all in the last seven years & all this climate change theory is cobblers.

It's a scam.

17-03-2008, 10:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,634	Global Warming or The End to Global Civilization It would seem that in the last few years, dramatic climate change is already showing up as a direct result of our over consumption of Oil and other energy releasing CO2 in the atmosphere. Despite the ridicule demonization of those facts by "lobbies" and the usual conservative idiots (who can't add 2+2 together btw), we seem to be heading to the end of our civilization if we keep going at that rate. Should we choose economic power and unsustainable growth over our own preservation ? a lot of people would think so and apparently are not worried at all. Should we leave those individuals take the decisions for us ? Basically, each great civilization has ended in chaos, mostly by "self-destruction", blinded by their own arrogance and "ignorance" of facts. We are about to overdose on our own stupidity and "ignorance" and that could mean the end of our civilization. Would it be a bad thing if it was to be the only way to save the specie and the planet ?

24-03-2008, 03:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
blackgang Senior Member Last Online: Today 05:14 PM Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chiang Mai/San Sai Posts: 6,861	^No Shit,, startling deduction there sherlock.. But the records seem to show that overall the earth has lost some degree of heat every year for the last few years. Most temporate regions have lost some and some frigid regions have gained a little heat, but overall it is a shade cooler. Don't have a link as that is gleaned from a lot of reading I have done. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Political Correctness: A doctrine, fosteredby a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

17-03-2008, 10:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 2,679	Canada is having one of the worst winters on record. Perhaps you might explain why that is if we are having global warming?

17-03-2008, 10:30 AM	#3 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,634	^ actually, it is explained precisely by global warming. I suggest you document yourself on that topic

17-03-2008, 10:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 2,679	Perhaps an ice age is coming?

23-03-2008, 06:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Today 02:02 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,742	Climate facts to warm to: Climate facts to warm to \| The Australian

23-03-2008, 08:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,634	^ any original thoughts you might want to add Boon mee ? :criket:

23-03-2008, 09:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
blackgang Senior Member Last Online: Today 05:14 PM Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chiang Mai/San Sai Posts: 6,861	Worst in China in 50 years, coldest in Sydney ever,

23-03-2008, 10:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,634	Speaking of China, did you know that emission standards in China are better than those in the US ?

23-03-2008, 11:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
Driventowin Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: 3rd rock from the sun Posts: 1,663	^&^^&^^^ And yet Greenland is warmer than ever, warming more each year and warm enough now to even have a season long enough to farm and have cattle for the first time in centuries?? How does that happen? I wonder?? For them it's all good......

24-03-2008, 12:40 AM	#11 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Today 02:02 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,742	^ Fok! It's all good for everyone. Just got to shell out a little more to EGAT for the A/C bill is all...

07-04-2008, 02:31 AM	#19 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Today 02:02 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,742	Why Hasn't This Man Been Arrested?

07-04-2008, 02:35 AM	#20 (permalink)
Northern Scum Lampang Last Online: 25-05-2008 02:36 PM Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 559	Global temperatures haven't changed at all in the last seven years & all this climate change theory is cobblers. It's a scam.