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chinthee · 28-02-2008, 07:05 AM

Back to the OP for a minute, here is an excellent, on point article in today's USA Today. The gun battle rages on, with no end in sight.

Do you have a legal right to own a gun?

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By Joan Biskupic, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Guns, and questions about how much power the government has to keep people from owning them, are at the core of one of the most divisive topics in American politics.

Nowhere is that divide more pronounced than in the gap between Americans' beliefs about their rights under the Second Amendment, and how courts have interpreted the law.

Nearly three out of four Americans — 73% — believe the Second Amendment spells out an individual right to own a firearm, according to a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll of 1,016 adults taken Feb. 8-10.

Yet for decades, federal judges have seen the Constitution differently, allowing a range of gun-control measures imposed by governments seeking to curb gun violence.

Lower court judges overwhelmingly have ruled that the right "to keep and bear arms" isn't for individuals, but instead applies to state militias, such as National Guard units. The U.S. Supreme Court repeatedly declined to hear appeals of those rulings, fueling the debate over gun control and tension between the law and public opinion.

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Now, in a benchmark case that arises against a backdrop of election-year politics, the high court will take its first definitive look at the Second Amendment. However the nine justices rule in the case, their decision will reshape the national debate over guns, a conflict that pits images of America's history of frontier liberty against concerns about public safety.

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Neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama has focused on gun control in their campaigns for the Democratic nomination. When asked specifically about it in public forums, they voice modest support for new regulations and quickly add that the Second Amendment protects people's gun rights.

"The Clinton and Obama campaigns know the public opinion data on the issue well," says Karlyn Bowman, a senior fellow specializing in public opinion polls at the American Enterprise Institute. "Opinion is complex, but the right to be able to own a gun seems to be firmly held, and I think that's why both candidates say what they say."

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Kairys, who has helped cities sue gunmakers for the costs of firearms violence, says gun-control laws could be hurt by any court finding of an individual right. If the court does that, he says, "It's going to be very hard to get any (gun control) legislation passed."

Adds Balkin, "There is no reason to believe the court's decision will defuse the battle over guns. The court rarely has the last word in major social controversies. If the court rules for D.C., there will be continuing agitation by gun-rights advocates. If the court rules against D.C., there will be new waves of litigation" over what the ruling means.

Do you have a legal right to own a gun? - USATODAY.com

Marmite the Dog · 28-02-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by blackgang

My cousin, who is a gun nut and has about any gun you can think of, he owns a construction company, heavy construction not building trades, ranch just for deer hunting, about a 50'twin diesel Chris Craft, condo in Guaymas and hilo so got the bucks to get it if he wants it, had the first mod. 29 i ever shot, 8 3/3 and I was a fair pistol shot then and busted stubby beer bottles at 100 yards, so I found one for sale as they were like chicken teeth them days but the one I got was 6', but did kill a couple of deer with it and shot it a lot and they do rock back but recoil never hurt me like it does some folks, Mod.66 S&W 357 6' is a good deer gun too, I had a 700 BDL 8mm rem mag, and thats a big gun, some said it was to much back up, but I didn't think so, my mdl. 70 300 win mag was a torture to shoot, buy the Ruger #1 338 win mag I had wasnt bad.

Sorry, BG, I didn't understand a bloody word of that.

DrB0b · 28-02-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Check this out - why it's good for boys to play with guns. Get's 'em ready for...The 10 Manliest Firearms known to man!

10 Manliest Firearms: by Michael Z. Williamson, SMLE, Mosin-Nagant M44, Swiss K31 Carbine, Remington 870

Hmm,

Gotta green you just for that link, Booner. Arthur's Hall of Viking Manliness

chinthee · 28-02-2008, 01:27 PM

^Well, I've owned two of them, the Glock and the Colt 1911, so I got 2 out of 10. Kind of a pussy I guess.

Norton · 28-02-2008, 01:29 PM

I had a Red Rider BB Gun.

blackgang · 28-02-2008, 02:28 PM

Hey Nort, I did too, looked like a Mod.94 win. this is before the war, I was out at the sawmill one day and my uncle worked there too, my dad wa a pond monkey and my uncle was a fireman in the boiler room, so anyhow he took my Red Ryder and shot a couple of glass panels out of a window, which the mill was damn near all windows for light and to keep the snow and shit out, so anyway dad seen him do it, came over and grabbed my gun, kicked me in the ass, told me to go home and busted the butt stock off my fucking gun, never did find out why he kicked my ass and not his brothers, he the mofo who shot the fuckin window, maybe he couldn't kick Virgils ass, he was an older bro and maybe dad scared of him.

Norton · 28-02-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackgang

never did find out why he kicked my ass and not his brothers

You were the most convenient target. Sounds like my dad and yours were much the same.

Marmite the Dog · 28-02-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blackgang

this is before the war,

Which one? The War of Independence?

Boon Mee · 28-02-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

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Originally Posted by blackgang

this is before the war,

Which one? The War of Independence?

The only real War of this generation...Viet Nam...

Ivor Biggun · 28-02-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The only real War of this generation...Viet Nam...

Can you please explain why ?

blackgang · 28-02-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Which one? The War of Independence?

Fuk no, the real war,,WWII, ya member when we had to bring a few of the boys off the farms and come over to Europe and save y'alls ass..

couldn't see to just keep sending supplies and msachiery over there any y'all just kept loseing it.
Damn Lock a brit in a room with no windows and 1 door, put in 2 50# anvils and a meter of rubber hose, come back tomorrow and he done lost one anvil, busted the other one and fucked up the hose.

stroller · 28-02-2008, 11:20 PM

The only "real" war you yanks ever had was the civil war when you was killing each other 'cause some guys wanted to keep their slaves.
And that was a long time before you was dropping Napalm and cluster bombs on folks from the air to furk em.

Ivor Biggun · 29-02-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackgang

Damn Lock a brit in a room with no windows and 1 door, put in 2 50# anvils and a meter of rubber hose, come back tomorrow and he done lost one anvil, busted the other one and fucked up the hose

Nice one. You forgot, he'd have sold the door as well.

nedwalk · 29-02-2008, 03:22 PM

came in late on this one, but i,m still spewin the fucken govt took me guns off me! [well most] but i still wonder if we were all allowed to walk around with sidearms how many people would have died at port arthur or for that matter any of the other school shootings etc i reckon the fools may have got off a couple of rounds befor they got what they were looking for.. just my opinion though.. i still go to the range to keep tuned

blackgang · 29-02-2008, 03:56 PM

sTrollee says

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The only "real" war you yanks ever had was the civil war when you was killing each other 'cause some guys wanted to keep their slaves.
And that was a long time before you was dropping Napalm and cluster bombs on folks from the air to furk em.

Yea but we got smarter, we didn't have to go all the way up to Stalingrad and freeze our ass' off and let them Rusky bastards freerze us, starve us, and then kill the shit out of us cause we was not the super race, but we sure is the smart one of the times tho.

Member what happened to the master race up there that winter,, Ruskys never stopped running them krauts til they was down in Berlin trying to get in the bunker mit der mighty Adolph, that is cept the smart ones who was already unloading the gold stolen out of a dead hebes mouth in Rio.

stroller · 29-02-2008, 07:31 PM

^
That was my point, it's easy to run a loud mouth when you haven't experienced the horrors of war for generations - just jumping in at the end to claim victory. Or idle your years away on inactive duty and behave as if you deserved a medal for polishing your gun every day.

Must have been the last war you guys 'won', that one, or why ye' all still bragging about it?

obsidian · 29-02-2008, 07:38 PM

i regret looking in this thread. excuse me.

Boon Mee · 01-03-2008, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by obsidian

i regret looking in this thread. excuse me.

Well, RC & auntie haven't weighed in either...

sabang · 01-03-2008, 09:01 AM

I think this is my first look at this thread.

I have never owned a gun, and frankly the only thing that interests me about them is why gun owners use them to shoot harmless, defenceless animals and then brag as if this is masculine. Sounds like cowardice to me.

Wouldn't it be more 'macho' to go to some forest or East side ghetto and play the game with other humans armed with guns? Or even slingshots or catapults?

blackgang · 01-03-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sabang

Wouldn't it be more 'macho' to go to some forest or East side ghetto and play the game with other humans armed with guns? Or even slingshots or catapults?

Well Sabang, some of are raised in the outback or upcountry or how ever you want to say "Open country" away from city living, I have owned 3 houses or cabins as they are generally know as that were isolated and off by themselves with spring or creek water [no well] Miles from the end of the electrical grid, was also raised on remote cattle ranches where a trip to the store was an all day rough trip at time, and at times impossible to get out of the yard with anything but a ski doo sled, after they were invented and before that was horseback.
So if you can understand where I am coming from, The hunter/gatherer is still prevalent in some of our makeups, we enjoy stalking/hunting and do not just walk up, put the gun barrel between their eyes and torch one off, In fact I had to kill a bear on my back steps the winter I left the cabin 27 miles north of Sandpoint Idaho in the rocky mountains who was trying to bust my door down, but it was a metal insulated heavy door as the weather got to -40 F. and there was 16 feet of snow around.
And by living and being raised in such an environment it is just natural to have guns, enjoy guns and find them as tool as well as killing instruments, and being children raised in such homes, they are taught to respect and use these tools and do it correctly by being used to them and using them all their lives.

The Amish are raised without elect, Phones or cars, and they have been raised that way so most likely think that the way you live and operate is senseless and strange too.
No offense intended, just a different way of life as not everyone should have to be born and raised in the same neighborhood.

And some do go down to the ghetto and shoot some folks, then others raise hell about it, not every one can be happy about the same stuff.

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28-02-2008, 01:27 PM	#144 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 10-08-2009 09:13 PM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,028	^Well, I've owned two of them, the Glock and the Colt 1911, so I got 2 out of 10. Kind of a pussy I guess.

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Norton Days Work Done! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Roiet Posts: 11,505	I had a Red Rider BB Gun.

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stroller Kraut Last Online: 09-09-2009 07:24 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,164	The only "real" war you yanks ever had was the civil war when you was killing each other 'cause some guys wanted to keep their slaves. And that was a long time before you was dropping Napalm and cluster bombs on folks from the air to furk em.

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nedwalk Thailand Forum Last Online: Today 10:22 AM Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: sunshine coast Posts: 3,882	came in late on this one, but i,m still spewin the fucken govt took me guns off me! [well most] but i still wonder if we were all allowed to walk around with sidearms how many people would have died at port arthur or for that matter any of the other school shootings etc i reckon the fools may have got off a couple of rounds befor they got what they were looking for.. just my opinion though.. i still go to the range to keep tuned

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stroller Kraut Last Online: 09-09-2009 07:24 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,164	^ That was my point, it's easy to run a loud mouth when you haven't experienced the horrors of war for generations - just jumping in at the end to claim victory. Or idle your years away on inactive duty and behave as if you deserved a medal for polishing your gun every day. Must have been the last war you guys 'won', that one, or why ye' all still bragging about it?

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obsidian I am in Jail Last Online: 21-01-2009 09:15 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,361	i regret looking in this thread. excuse me.

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