Thread: Waterboarding , Do You Think It Is Torture?

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Originally Posted by Milkman

^ great point, by CT.

Also, if the information derived from waterboarding can prevent an attack the kills, maims, and disfigures innocent civilians, that this form of getting information (waterboarding) is justified, IMO.

But we need to make sure the appropriate people are candidates for it.

And who will be the ones who decide that?

Yes, this is my concern.

OK,

What the heck is waterboarding (apart from a non-lethal form of torture practiced by Americans, as I've deduced from the thread)?


Signed,

Thicky von Thick-Thick.

So if they only think they are going to die, it is ok?

Answer :YES

You dont think that there may be some permanent emotional damage from waterboarding and being powerless to stop someone from doing it?

Answer: People that cut people's heads off and commit terrorist attacks already have emotional damage.

It is torture but whether it is justified or not, should be the real argument.
Answer: I think it is great. If it saved the life of one of your children by keeping them safe, then you would be for it too.

If it weren't torture, it would not be successful in gaining info.

Answer: Whatever it takes to get the job done. If they would just quit killing people and enjoy the wealth that their oil brings, then I would be happy....even paying more for gas.


added; But it would still be successful even if the people knew that they wouldn't die. It attacks our survival instincts and when we cant breathe it is terrifying.

Answer: They could tell what they know before going for a dunk in the water. They choose to keep quiet and have to endure the water boarding for their lack of cooperation. They are lucky I am not in charge. I would sink them to the bottom of the ocean with an anchor chained to them....after I got some info from them by water boarding them.

Yes it's torture, and the great leaders of this world should be tried for war crimes. Has anyone noticed the erosion of civil liberties since this current round of scum took over???
All in the name of the holy oil barrel.

^ Methinks that the Arabs made a barrel of oil holy........

Originally Posted by Ban Saray

Yes it's torture, and the great leaders of this world should be tried for war crimes. Has anyone noticed the erosion of civil liberties since this current round of scum took over???
All in the name of the holy oil barrel.

Total horse hockey. So simplistic to blame every action on oil.

^

You should spread some reputation around before giving it to Chintee again.

Originally Posted by Norton

The big problem with interrogation via torture is the validity of the information one receives. It is only obvious most will admit or say whatever they think the interrogator wants to hear just to have them stop!

this is the point that some here seem to have conveniently overlooked. one the guys waterboarded by the US a few years back said that there were imminent attacks at shopping malls, banks, nuclear power plants, apartment buildings, etc... and thousands of FBI and police were sent out....but he was just trying to stop the torture. he was lying to stop the torture.


america used to occupy the moral high ground....but no more.

and the military personnel who are actually fighting in iraq or afghanistan (interestingly enough, that includes exactly none of our resident proponents of waterboarding), will be on the receiving end of even more heinous torture.

and btw, a beheading is certainly more humane than dropping a cluster bomb.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Waterboarding is emotional torture just like threatening to spank your child is emotional abuse.

Originally Posted by chitown

a dunk in the water.

wow. it doesn't sound too bad at all, does it? so which one of your tough guys would like to volunteer for a session of waterboarding?

remember, it's just a dunk in the water. think of it as simply humiliation.

6^ And the moral high gound is flying planes into building in America, and blowing up things in the UK and Europe??

Everyone of you that posts these sort of things would change your minds faster than a fart in awindstorm if your MOM, DAD, BROTHER, SISTER, WIFE or HUSBAND was killed by a terrorist.

I qoute Rambo when it comes to terrorists - You drew first blood........

The moral high ground just gets you killed faster.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Texpat

Waterboarding is emotional torture just like threatening to spank your child is emotional abuse.

Originally Posted by chitown

a dunk in the water.

wow. it doesn't sound too bad at all, does it? so which one of your tough guys would like to volunteer for a session of waterboarding?

remember, it's just a dunk in the water. think of it as simply humiliation.

Listen Ray Fairy - this tough guy did not do shit to be put into the position of being water boarded.

And while you are being such a pussy Ray, just remeber that it is guys like you that have put a pacifier in these murder's mouths that have caused us to be in the mess that we are in.

I bet you would give a rim job to one of those terrorists just before he cut your head off!

Can't be that bad if the whimpy US Special Forces do it to each other during training, can it?

Even the Air Force, the powder puff service, has pararescuemen and combat controllers that routinely pass out while being held under water during training. Of course medics are always on hand. These are guys that volunteer to have it done.

Imagine that, guys being waterboarded by choice.

^That just shows the superiority of the US forces.

Originally Posted by chitown

this tough guy did not do shit to be put into the position of being water boarded.

that's what they all say, tough guy. ready for your "dunk in the water"?

and btw, how many people have been freed from death row because of DNA evidence?

Originally Posted by chitown

I bet you would give a rim job to one of those terrorists just before he cut your head off!

really? is that what you bet? why is that? why would you even be thinking that? before you answer, i just want to make it clear that i'm not interested. i'm flattered, i guess....but....i just don't think about you that way.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Imagine that, guys being waterboarded by choice.

on this board? name them.

Originally Posted by chitown

Everyone of you that posts these sort of things would change your minds faster than a fart in awindstorm if your MOM, DAD, BROTHER, SISTER, WIFE or HUSBAND was killed by a terrorist.

i do know people (not family) who were killed in terrorist attacks, and it hasn't change my position on whether torture is moral, ethical, or effective. you see chitown, i have principles. i'll leave flying off the handle and acting irrationally to the likes of you.

it seems there are too many '24' viewers on this thread......we can save those innocent kindergarten students and nuns if we just torture that swarthy looking guy! let's do it! USA! USA!

i do know people (not family) who were killed in terrorist attacks, and it hasn't change my position on whether torture is moral, ethical, or effective. you see chitown, i have principles. i'll leave flying off the handle and acting irrationally to the likes of you.

So you have been a pussy your whole life??

it seems there are too many '24' viewers on this thread......we can save those innocent kindergarten students and nuns if we just torture that swarthy looking guy! let's do it! USA! USA!

No, never saw the show. Real life events have shaped my views.

that's what they all say, tough guy. ready for your "dunk in the water"?

And I should try out the electric chair because I am for capital punishment. You have to be gay.......

Airman Magazine
February 2000

Jason Cunningham’s body begged for air. Submerged 9 feet under, the airman’s lungs prickled and burned, feeling as if they’d burst like a pair of overinflated truck tires. By reflex, his nervous system declared a state of emergency — DEFCON 1. Every instinct urged him to burst to the surface and suck in cool, fresh air.

But he ignored the red alert blaring in his brain and stayed below for several minutes. Soon the throbbing in his chest ceased, his peripheral vision collapsed and the world around him faded to black.

Cunningham lost consciousness and sank to the bottom of the pool.
Immediately, a group of rugged men wearing black neoprene suits and scuba gear hauled him out of the pool and revived him. One of the men, who hovered over him, asked, “You OK? You OK? Did you meet the wizard?”

At the time, still reeling from the fog of delirium, Cunningham could only manage a gurgled “Huh?” but later recounted his near-death experience.

“Once you pass out the first time, you get used to it,” said the 24-year-old from Camarillo, Calif. “It’s like — it hurts, it hurts, and boom, you’re asleep. Then you wake up, some-body’s slapping your face, and you’ve got this oxygen mask covering your mouth. It’s really not that bad, no big deal.”

Read the whole story here:

Superman School

Right on!

Originally Posted by Texpat

Jason Cunningham’s body begged for air. Submerged 9 feet under,

Originally Posted by chinthee

Right on!

"right on" what?

1. he wasn't waterboarded.

2. he knew he wasn't going to be killed---the highly controlled situation was like a cross between jackass and the xgames. the scenario laid out in the 'superman' article was very unlike what would happen to the people 'extraordinary renditioned' to some eastern european gulag.

i suppose it was naive to think that any of the tough guys here would actually be willing to be waterboarded....despite all the virtual chest puffing in their posts. but why hasn't anyone addressed my point about the hundreds of death row inmates released on DNA evidence? or how about my question regarding the moral high ground...you know, when america actually stood for something besides fear.

You're a blowhard ray, waterboarding isn't torture.

Don't try to change the subject. Just admit it's a bit of non-invasive titty-twisting to get a pig to squeal.

You seem either soft or stupid, which is it?

You really have a thing for tough guys don't you?

As I said, I am not in custody, and have no reason to be water boarded.

I know this, you are not a tough guy......