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raycarey

nice.

Whiteshiva

Ah, but if you don't have the moral high ground, why would good people support you? After all, if you start behaving like the bad guys, what does that make you?

This "with us or against us" talk might just come back and bite you on the bum.....

Don't - but then don't be surpriced if you suddenly find yourself without allies - domestic or foreign.


And Norton - great posts - can't green you again, but will make up for it later!

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raycarey

i would think that the majority of people in NYC are opposed water boarding. if there's a poll to the contrary, i'd love to see it. madrid and london as well.

adhere to the geneva conventions.

Texpat

What good is the moral high ground if you're dead?
What good is following unilateral, self-imposed rules if it's going to make you lose a conflict?

The objective isn't to defeat terrorism 51-49.

I love the way the arm-chair generals, living in countries that stand to gain as much as the US, sit back and play the shoulda-game. It's oh so easy to criticize, but nobody has a plan.

Norton

Crap was afraid you'd ask that! Need to think on it some but I'm sure to come up with some hair brained solution. At the moment I'm leaning toward bribery. A lifetime supply of virgins and a condo in Palm Springs might be just the ticket.

chinthee

^Yes, so easy to be a coward, to difficult to be a hero.

Norton

On second thought this may be considered torture under rules of the Geneva Convention. Will need a plan B.

Ban Saray

That's just it isn't USA took the low road, threatened the world to be "with us or agin us", and what have they won?
Over 2400 dead heros, countless thousands of civilians.
And why? WMD, blah blah.
What if GWB had stayed out of Iraq? One mad Saddam didn't kill as many people as this war has, and the threat to to the rest of world by radical muslims has grown.
OK you fight back, but if some dickhead millionaire can cause all this, and the USA has more millionaires than anyone else, why can't you beat him???
Torturing brainless terrorists will not the war, intelligence will - need I say more.
The very idea of implanting democracy into an Arab state doesn't exactly reek of intelligence to me.

chinthee

Allright. US millionaires do not sit around all day thinking who they can kill next. They think about how they can create the next great thing in the world.

FFS, this is not about who's right. This is about who can create value, add value and create something that benefits mankind.

Let's think about it this way, shall we?

chitown

Yeah the majority being the Mussies that have infiltrated New York, London and Madrid. London is close to being over run by Mussies. Due to the weak "open door" policy the UK has so cowardly aloowed for years.

I have enough friends that are Brits that have told me that the Uk has gone to the dogs due to ithe lax mmigration policies there.

On my last visit to the UK, I saw more Mussies than you can shake a stick at. Really pathetic, because eventually they will squeeze out enough Mussie babies that they will not have to bomb London......they will hold the majority vote.

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Silent Orchestra

More than 20 per cent of all births last year were to women from overseas an official report on the impact of migration revealed today. The study, by the Government's National Statistics body, shows that about 150,000 foreign-born women gave birth in Britain last year, or 21 per cent of all births.

21% of all babies born in Britain have foreign mothers | the Daily Mail

They already have all the jobs.

80% of new jobs have gone to migrants since Labour came to power | the Daily Mail

This country sucks

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Norton

Amen!!

Silent Orchestra

Why the hell has the Government expended so much time and political capital on securing the release of the so-called "British residents" from Guantanamo Bay? They're not even British residents, just people who lived here for a while. The three heading "home" were actually resident in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Africa when they were arrested on terrorism charges.

If they were so relieved about finding sanctuary in Britain after claiming their lives were in danger, why didn't they stay here? One of them converted to Islam and moved to Pakistan after 9/11.

Another said he left Birmingham to look for work in Afghanistan. As you do.

What sort of lunatic thinks he stands more of a chance of finding a job in Taliban country than Tamworth? Unless he's a beheading specialist or skilled at pushing brick walls on adulterous women.

The soppy Sarah Teather (Lib-Dem MP for Brent East) worked herself up into a lather of selfrighteous indig-nation over the detention of her 'constituent', who is linked to Osama Bin Laden's European "ambassador".

He's not your constituent, pet. He's not even allowed to vote. And if he were, it would have to be a postal vote since he was in The Gambia when the Americans felt his collar. Since then, he's been "resident" at Camp Gitmo.

Why the hell should we care what happens to any of them? We've got enough home-grown Islamo-nutters of our own.

Now we're going to have to house them, feed them, ply them with benefits and spend a small fortune on round-the-clock surveillance. It's not as if the anti-terror boys haven't got anything better to do.

Meanwhile, stand by for the sickening, sympathetic newspaper and TV interviews with these heroes, pleading their innocence and bleating about how they have been tortured.

Better an engine driver than a Guardianista! | the Daily Mail

chitown

^ Excellent post S.O.

Love this -

"What sort of lunatic thinks he stands more of a chance of finding a job in Taliban country than Tamworth? Unless he's a beheading specialist or skilled at pushing brick walls on adulterous women."

Silent Orchestra

Waterboarding , Do You...11-12-2007 11:02 PMxxxxWhere the fuk is Stroller now?

Sparky

^ He's busy having a wank over a Photo of Hitler .

raycarey

^ i thought that was MM.

raycarey

and if it's not torture, why did the CIA destroy the tapes?

oh yeah, that's right...they didn't want the guys doing the waterboarding to be identifiable .....and of course create the possibility that they (and their families!) could be subject to terrorist reprisals.

chitown

^Who cares why the destoyed the tapes.

Maybe, just maybe they thought that some marshmallow spined whiners like yourself would cry and complain about it.

You know the kind, the layers that would have no shame and represent the murders and scum Mussies. NAACP types like Al Sharleton and Jesse Jackoff. The tree huggers, and the PETA types that make me puke.....

Texpat

I have an idea.

We pay the Philippine government to "torture" the scumbags for us.

Ever heard of the Bojinka Plot?

This was 1995 ! -- just 4 years after Iraq was kicked out of Kuwait. (was that by the US? -- it went quickly and smoothly, I think coalition nations claimed credit for that one) ok...

From Wiki:

"The plan was to set the bombs on 11 United States-bound airliners that had stopovers all around East Asia and Southeast Asia. All of the flights had two legs. The bombs would be planted inside life jackets under seats on the first leg, when each bomber would disembark. He would then board one or two more flights and repeat. After all of the bombers planted bombs on all of the flights, each man would then catch flights to Lahore Pakistan. (fearless!) The men never needed U.S. visas, as they only would have stayed on the planes on their first legs in Asia.

United States airlines had been chosen instead of Asian airlines so as to maximize the shock toward Americans. The flights targeted