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Boon Mee · 08-06-2007, 02:03 PM

"He’s the ultimate symbol of radical chic but was Che Guevara really a homophobic, racist square who personally ordered the jailing and executions of innocent men, women and children?"

He also hated long-haired dope-smoking Hippies and didn't much care for rock & roll either!

http://www.muckraked.com/wordpress/2007/06/07/turning-the-page-the-real-che/] Source

Butterfly · 08-06-2007, 02:15 PM

Mao himself wasn't entirely bad either

And Stalin was a fun guy to be around if you liked to watch movies with him

Your point again ?

NickA · 08-06-2007, 02:17 PM

Sod it man, he looks good with a cigar in his mouth, what more do you fucking want?

flash · 08-06-2007, 02:22 PM

If people had any sense they would wear Boon Me tee shirts!

sabang · 08-06-2007, 02:25 PM

Your link doesn't work boonie- it opens, but no Che article.
Anyway, to put things in perspective, I think Che is more of a pop art symbol of defiance than an actual figure of personal veneration. A radical chic icon if you like, but usually given the Warhol treatment.
He was a babe magnet though.

NickA · 08-06-2007, 02:27 PM

I watched the whole of that film, The Motorcycle diaries and thought - hey this guy has got the same nickname as that guy on all the posters.

it didn't click until the writing at the end.

Boon Mee · 08-06-2007, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabang

Your link doesn't work boonie- it opens, but no Che article.
Anyway, to put things in perspective, I think Che is more of a pop art symbol of defiance than an actual figure of personal veneration. A radical chic icon if you like, but usually given the Warhol treatment.
He was a babe magnet though.

Let's try it again

sabang · 08-06-2007, 04:58 PM

^ Got it.

Mr Earl · 09-06-2007, 07:45 AM

Idealizing this scum bag is on a intellectual par to putting a Serpico mud flap on your truck.

I also found that film "Motorcycle Diaries" disingenuous propaganda by disguising who he really was.

Sir Burr · 09-06-2007, 09:06 AM

Oy! Boonie! This thread has been done before, and if I remember rightly, you started that one too.
Regurgitating political threads. Shame on you!

raycarey · 09-06-2007, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I also found that film "Motorcycle Diaries" disingenuous propaganda by disguising who he really was.

who he 'really' was, huh?

and this is based on your personal experiences with che back in havana, right?

Boon Mee · 09-06-2007, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Oy! Boonie! This thread has been done before, and if I remember rightly, you started that one too.
Regurgitating political threads. Shame on you!

Where?
On TD or in the old TV at Bedlam?

I've not cited this current source before tho...

Sir Burr · 09-06-2007, 10:40 AM

Here on TD, though I can't find the thread.

NickA · 09-06-2007, 10:43 AM

I wonder if he ever won beard of the year.

I think Mike Gatting did once.

sabang · 09-06-2007, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Idealizing this scum bag is on a intellectual par to putting a Serpico mud flap on your truck.

I also found that film "Motorcycle Diaries" disingenuous propaganda by disguising who he really was.

If anything, by pointing out that he was a Doctor from a middle class Argentinian family who actually had little in common with the 'oppressed masses' I would have thought the opposite was the case. Neither do I recall a single political innuendo or statement in the film. Nor do I recall any reference at all to this Che' being Che Guevara until a footnote at the end.

Beautifully photographed film though- I enjoyed it.

Sir Burr · 09-06-2007, 11:07 AM

Che just rode on Castro's coat-tails. He appeals to the romantics "Doctor from wealthy family gives it all up to help the down-trodden of the world".
He was a lousy revolutionary when it came to military operations, totally inept. But, he was a doctor, not a soldier.

He'll be remembered for the iconic image you see on so many T-shirts, not his accomplishments.

NickA · 09-06-2007, 11:15 AM

In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if he won both Beard of the Year and Cigar Smoker of the year in the same year.

The onyl other man to have achieved this historic double being Rolf Harris

Marmite the Dog · 09-06-2007, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Here on TD, though I can't find the thread.

I thought Mhz started one about Che once?

sabang · 09-06-2007, 11:44 AM

Che?

Or Che'?

NickA · 09-06-2007, 11:49 AM

Look, a nice hat...

...a tattoo

...and some lovely baby clothes...

Now, just think what it would be like if they put Freddy mercury instead!

i rest my case

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sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Yesterday 03:05 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 10,413	Your link doesn't work boonie- it opens, but no Che article. Anyway, to put things in perspective, I think Che is more of a pop art symbol of defiance than an actual figure of personal veneration. A radical chic icon if you like, but usually given the Warhol treatment. He was a babe magnet though. __________________ To err is human. To blame someone else is politics.

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Sir Burr Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb Last Online: 16-06-2009 09:54 AM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phuket. Posts: 5,096	Che just rode on Castro's coat-tails. He appeals to the romantics "Doctor from wealthy family gives it all up to help the down-trodden of the world". He was a lousy revolutionary when it came to military operations, totally inept. But, he was a doctor, not a soldier. He'll be remembered for the iconic image you see on so many T-shirts, not his accomplishments. __________________ Phuket - Veni Vidi Veni

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08-06-2007, 02:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 15,554	Mao himself wasn't entirely bad either And Stalin was a fun guy to be around if you liked to watch movies with him Your point again ?

08-06-2007, 02:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
NickA This is not my avatar Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 11,278	Sod it man, he looks good with a cigar in his mouth, what more do you fucking want?

08-06-2007, 02:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
flash Fag an bealac! Last Online: Today 01:21 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 53 00 N, 8 00 W Posts: 2,453	If people had any sense they would wear Boon Me tee shirts!

08-06-2007, 02:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
NickA This is not my avatar Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 11,278	I watched the whole of that film, The Motorcycle diaries and thought - hey this guy has got the same nickname as that guy on all the posters. it didn't click until the writing at the end.

08-06-2007, 04:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Yesterday 03:05 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 10,413	^ Got it.

09-06-2007, 07:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
Mr Earl protozoan Last Online: 08-06-2009 05:40 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: the garden Posts: 5,226	Idealizing this scum bag is on a intellectual par to putting a Serpico mud flap on your truck. I also found that film "Motorcycle Diaries" disingenuous propaganda by disguising who he really was.

09-06-2007, 09:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
Sir Burr Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb Last Online: 16-06-2009 09:54 AM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phuket. Posts: 5,096	Oy! Boonie! This thread has been done before, and if I remember rightly, you started that one too. Regurgitating political threads. Shame on you!

09-06-2007, 10:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
Sir Burr Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb Last Online: 16-06-2009 09:54 AM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phuket. Posts: 5,096	Here on TD, though I can't find the thread.

09-06-2007, 10:43 AM	#14 (permalink)
NickA This is not my avatar Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 11,278	I wonder if he ever won beard of the year. I think Mike Gatting did once.

09-06-2007, 11:15 AM	#17 (permalink)
NickA This is not my avatar Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 11,278	In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if he won both Beard of the Year and Cigar Smoker of the year in the same year. The onyl other man to have achieved this historic double being Rolf Harris

09-06-2007, 11:44 AM	#19 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Yesterday 03:05 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 10,413	Che? Or Che'?

09-06-2007, 11:49 AM	#20 (permalink)
NickA This is not my avatar Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 11,278	Look, a nice hat... ...a tattoo ...and some lovely baby clothes... Now, just think what it would be like if they put Freddy mercury instead! i rest my case

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