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Sir Burr · 09-06-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

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Here on TD, though I can't find the thread.

I thought Mhz started one about Che once?

You're right. It was Mhz. My apologies Boon Mee (though he was a likely suspect).

raycarey · 09-06-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sabang

If anything, by pointing out that he was a Doctor from a middle class Argentinian family who actually had little in common with the 'oppressed masses' I would have thought the opposite was the case. Neither do I recall a single political innuendo or statement in the film. Nor do I recall any reference at all to this Che' being Che Guevara until a footnote at the end. Beautifully photographed film though- I enjoyed it.

did you even watch the movie earl?

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Che just rode on Castro's coat-tails. He appeals to the romantics "Doctor from wealthy family gives it all up to help the down-trodden of the world". He was a lousy revolutionary when it came to military operations, totally inept. But, he was a doctor, not a soldier. He'll be remembered for the iconic image you see on so many T-shirts, not his accomplishments.

perhaps he wasn't the greatest military tactician, but he was integral force in ousting the batista regime.

btw, he is not responsible for his becoming an icon.

Boon Mee · 10-06-2007, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sir Burr

He'll be remembered for the iconic image you see on so many T-shirts, not his accomplishments.

"If people had any sense they would wear Boon Me tee shirts!" -- Flash

K. Flash has it right!

Mr Earl · 10-06-2007, 08:55 AM

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Idealizing this scum bag is on a intellectual par to putting a Serpico mud flap on your truck.

I also found that film "Motorcycle Diaries" disingenuous propaganda by disguising who he really was.

If anything, by pointing out that he was a Doctor from a middle class Argentinian family who actually had little in common with the 'oppressed masses' I would have thought the opposite was the case. Neither do I recall a single political innuendo or statement in the film. Nor do I recall any reference at all to this Che' being Che Guevara until a footnote at the end.

Beautifully photographed film though- I enjoyed it.

That's the problem, I liked the film too. It's a an excellent film.
It simply surreptitiously idealizes a murderous scum-bag.
And this is just fine if you're from Hollywood.

Boon Mee · 10-06-2007, 09:01 AM

Now this is devotion to Che!

lom · 10-06-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sir Burr

He appeals to the romantics "Doctor from wealthy family gives it all up to help the down-trodden of the world".

That's also the reason for the right-wingers hate campaign against him.
They'll never forgive them who do the reverse class journey.

Mr Earl · 10-06-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lom

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Originally Posted by Sir Burr

He appeals to the romantics "Doctor from wealthy family gives it all up to help the down-trodden of the world".

That's also the reason for the right-wingers hate campaign against him.
They'll never forgive them who do the reverse class journey.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with murderous hypocrisy.

Milkman · 10-06-2007, 11:12 AM

^^^

I hear Boon's point on the pop-culture part of Che. A lot of the middle-class, sheltered suburbanites who are backpacking, staying in their air-conditioned hotels, wear t-shirts of Che, and other logos.

Then they'll likely return to the cubicle for 9 to 5.

Have they done anything?

No, and most supporters of anything, usually don't actually do anything.

It's like the U.S. flag waving I see a lot.

stroller · 10-06-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

It simply surreptitiously idealizes a murderous scum-bag.

It seems not everybody shares your myopic hate-Che disparaging which is surreptitiously posted by you whenever the name is mentioned.

It's always the same flag-waving patriots who go ballistic whenever any active anti-establishment figure is discussed, be it Che, MM, Chomsky or Carter. The knee-jerk reactions are quite bemusing.

raycarey · 10-06-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

It simply surreptitiously idealizes a murderous scum-bag.

that's a pretty big word for you earl (5 syllables!), and i have to wonder if you really know what it means.

please continue on this topic....

Boon Mee · 11-06-2007, 01:14 AM

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It simply surreptitiously idealizes a murderous scum-bag.

that's a pretty big word for you earl (5 syllables!), and i have to wonder if you really know what it means.

Had to look that one up did you?
Get back to that Readers Digest 'Improve Your Vocabulary' with you, ray?

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