Thread: The Great Global Warming Swindle?

Originally Posted by meepho

indeed, everthing these days seems to be a knee jerk reaction and a quick fix mentality without the proper thought proccesses.

It may seem to, when one doesn't bother to inform oneself about the background and purpose of legislation.

Originally Posted by meepho

here in the uk we are going to get council employed green officers to check out our homes and assess them for how green they are.

Well, the UK has gone a long way from being one of the least 'pollution-conscious' on a national industry as well as micro-community scale in the early 80s to now. I agree "green officers" inspecting homes sounds over the top.

I'm out of greens for Dr B0b, but if I could I would give him 10 for making the effort to provide a more balanced perspective to the debate than I have seen in here before.

Well, it doesn't get any more authentic than some scientists writing in National Geographic on the origin of earth's warming.

Go here to get the full story.

Originally Posted by stroller

Well, the UK has gone a long way from being one of the least 'pollution-conscious' on a national industry as well as micro-community scale in the early 80s to now. I agree "green officers" inspecting homes sounds over the top.

I assure you that the majority of the UK has not "gone green" - just a specific politician who is angling for a highly paid EU job after he's been given the boot, and all his cronies who see a good bandwagon to jump on.

Originally Posted by RDN

So Mars is getting warmer too. Is our CO2 is producing "Solar System Warming" ?

Maybe it's all that CO2 the little rover is emitting zooming over the Martian landscape!

Apples and oranges...

Curious how quick some who don't fully understand the scientific background are to dismiss human impact on GW with some silly remark.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, it doesn't get any more authentic than some scientists writing in National Geographic on the origin of earth's warming.

Nice one, Boon Mee. Who says Americans don't understand
irony!

^
Science at its best, it must be true:

Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.

Those yanks are getting more and more sophisticated.
This time they are pulling a russian rabbit out of the hat..

Originally Posted by lom

Those yanks are getting more and more sophisticated.
This time they are pulling a russian rabbit out of the hat..

Even better, he's also a Muslim!

Russian? Muslim?

Someone should alert rightwing bloggers that GW-denial is an Islamo-communist plot to further the destruction of civilisation...

Originally Posted by stroller

Russian? Muslim?

Someone should alert rightwing bloggers that GW-denial is an Islamo-communist plot to further the destruction of civilisation...

Quiet, Comrade! The dialectic requires we keep the infidels and crusaders
in ignorance. All praise to Allah, the great leader of the workers and
peasants, for he has already made their ignorance profound.

Originally Posted by stroller

Russian? Muslim?

Someone should alert rightwing bloggers that GW-denial is an Islamo-communist plot to further the destruction of civilisation...

It's BDS to you!
BTW, any y'all still think Al Gore got it right?

Originally Posted by stroller

Apples and oranges...

Curious how quick some who don't fully understand the scientific background are to dismiss human impact on GW with some silly remark.

Just like yours? Maybe you "understand" too mutt...

Ayer estuvo el diablo aquí, en este mismo lugar, aquí aun huele a azufre!

Planets' Wobbles

The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained
primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in
the sun.
"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the
current era," Oxford's Wilson explained.

The earth wobbles too.

For many people, global warming seems to have taken the place of "The Jews" -- a convenient but false explanation for any disliked event.Prof. Brignell has some examples...

Originally Posted by attaboy

Planets' Wobbles

The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained
primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in
the sun.
"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the
current era," Oxford's Wilson explained.

The earth wobbles too.

not same same

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

For many people, global warming seems to have taken the place of "The Jews" -- a convenient but false explanation for any disliked event.Prof. Brignell has some examples...

How's about some analysis of your own, Boon Mee, just for a change?
I assume you do have your own opinions and aren't just some badly
written piece of software designed to post right-wing links on forums.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

For many people, global warming seems to have taken the place of "The Jews" -- a convenient but false explanation for any disliked event.Prof. Brignell has some examples...

How's about some analysis of your own, Boon Mee, just for a change?
I assume you do have your own opinions and aren't just some badly
written piece of software designed to post right-wing links on forums.

You mean, like this?:

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Anybody read on to page 2 of the article?

His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," said
Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University. "And they
contradict the extensive evidence presented in the most recent IPCC
[Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report.


Amato Evan, a climate scientist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison,
added that "the idea just isn't supported by the theory or by the
observations."

Planets' Wobbles
The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained
primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in
the sun.
"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the
current era," Oxford's Wilson explained.

Looks more like a cut & paste than analysis.

Milankovitch cycles are the collective effect of changes in the Earth's movements upon its climate, named after Serbian civil engineer and mathematician Milutin Milanković. The eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of the Earth's orbit vary in several patterns, resulting in 100,000 year ice age cycles of the Quaternary glaciation over the last few million years. The Earth's axis completes one full cycle of precession approximately every 26,000 years. At the same time, the elliptical orbit rotates, more slowly, leading to a 22,000 year cycle in the equinoxes. In addition, the angle between Earth's rotational axis and the normal to the plane of its orbit changes from 21.5 degrees to 24.5 degrees and back again on a 41,000 year cycle. Presently, this angle is 23.44 degrees.
The Milankovitch theory of climate change is not perfectly worked out; in particular, the largest observed response is at the 100,000 year timescale, but the forcing is apparently small at this scale, in regards to the ice ages. Various feedbacks (from carbon dioxide, or from ice sheet dynamics) are invoked to explain this discrepancy.
source: wiki


I'm guessing the atmosphere being different or thinner on Mars, it cannot cushion the effects of wobble? I mean what makes the wobble effects on Mars a fact and the wobble effects on Earth only a climate change theory?