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    Selling protected wildlife in Jakarta

    What to do about this man who sells Eagles and Owls each day by the roadside in Jakarta ? They are supposed to be protected birds, what sort of idiot would buy a bird like that to keep in a cage ? I assume he pays off the police.


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    a sad stori isent there any wildlife protecion groups there?

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    There is, mostly they sing songs, make posters and raise money.

    Even if a group did arrest him, he'll no doubt go back to a new corner, his suppliers will continue to sell to the next person, he'll still have a staving family, i dunno, maybe I'm just an eternal optimist!

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    Poorest of the poor....

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    Fuckin small lookin bird,I would need atleast three to feed me and the missus.

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    As long as there's demand, people will catch, and sell wildlife...



    The bird on the photo above: Black-shouldered kite (Elanus caeruleus), a common resident in SE Asia, but for how long?

    Here's an article on wildlife trade on Java: Wildlife Trade in Bird Markets in Java is Still High

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    Well spotted. Thank-you. (from a rather ordinary photo)

    LC Black-winged Kite Elanus caeruleus
    2009 IUCN Red List Category (as evaluated by BirdLife International - the official Red List Authority for birds for IUCN): Least Concern

    Justification This species has an extremely large range, and hence does not approach the thresholds for Vulnerable under the range size criterion (Extent of Occurrence <20,000 km2 combined with a declining or fluctuating range size, habitat extent/quality, or population size and a small number of locations or severe fragmentation). The population trend appears to be stable, and hence the species does not approach the thresholds for Vulnerable under the population trend criterion (>30% decline over ten years or three generations). The population size is extremely large, and hence does not approach the thresholds for Vulnerable under the population size criterion (<10,000 mature individuals with a continuing decline estimated to be >10% in ten years or three generations, or with a specified population structure). For these reasons the species is evaluated as Least Concern.


    Family/Sub-family Accipitridae
    Species name author (Desfontaines, 1789)
    Taxonomic source(s) AERC TAC (2003), Cramp and Simmons (1977-1994), Dowsett and Forbes-Watson (1993), Sibley and Monroe (1990, 1993)
    Population estimate
    Population trend
    Range estimate (breeding/resident)
    Country endemic?
    1,000,000
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    No


    Important Bird Areas Click here to view map showing IBAs where species is recorded and triggers any of the IBA criteria.
    Further web sources of information
    Detailed species account from Birds in Europe: population estimates, trends and conservation status (BirdLife International 2004)
    Text account compilers Stuart Butchart (BirdLife International), Jonathan Ekstrom (BirdLife International), Matt Harding (BirdLife International)
    IUCN Red List evaluators Jeremy Bird (BirdLife International), Stuart Butchart (BirdLife International)
    Recommended citation BirdLife International (2009) Species factsheet: Elanus caeruleus. Downloaded from BirdLife International - conserving the world's birds on 8/12/2009
    This information is based upon, and updates, the information published in BirdLife International (2000) Threatened birds of the world. Barcelona and Cambridge, UK: Lynx Edicions and BirdLife International, BirdLife International (2004) Threatened birds of the world 2004 CD-ROM and BirdLife International (2008) Threatened birds of the world 2008 CD-ROM. These sources provide the information for species accounts for the birds on the IUCN Red List.
    To provide new information to update this factsheet or to correct any errors, please email BirdLife
    To contribute to discussions on the evaluation of the IUCN Red List status of Globally Threatened Birds, please visit BirdLife's Globally Threatened Bird Forums


    Black-winged Kite (Elanus caeruleus) - BirdLife species factsheet

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    what do they taste like ? better than rat ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeden View Post
    a sad stori isent there any wildlife protecion groups there?
    Turns out I was too pessimistic, I've been contacted by a wildlife group www.profauna.com as a result of this thread and they've collected details from me and will be contacting the local police to close him down!

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    It's the supplier not the vendor.

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    ^^ I suppose I am

    ^ Most certainly the suppliers are to blame, however, surely the response needs to be multiarmed, target the buyers, vendors, suppliers all at once. Unfortunately in indonesia it is difficult to a lack of funding and education, but great that a local company is concerned enough to start somewhere.

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    can you get me one ?

    I was thinking to train one to fly over the rice and keep the birds away.....

    Nawty de Falconer...

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    do you think that they will get along with your monkeys though?

    I'll ask him how much! I bet it is not particularly pricey.

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    Getting it here will be a problem....ask him if he knows some smugglers to get it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty View Post
    Getting it here will be a problem....ask him if he knows some smugglers to get it here.

    This guy said he could smuggle it over for you, he is hiding his face so the immigration officials will not be able to recognize him!


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    how much....pay on arrival only

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    1/2 now, 1/2 after.

    send your money to Kingwilly. Siam Bank, 1203 4444 7456


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    Thats a Nigerian account....

    I never pay before

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    You see, thats what I like so much about Asia, you can buy almost anything and it dont cost a fortune.

    I have always wanted an Orangutan and drive around with it in me car and stuff like that......just might be able to get it one day

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    I'm 50/50 on this one, mainly in relation to birds that are bred and raised in captivity.

    I'll assume that the bird in question is of that origin.

    Generally, birds or any animal will not breed unless they are in a right environment, specially birds nearing extinction which must be partly attributed to breeding problems. Would two sea eagles breed in a budgie cage ? - I don't think so.

    So what is the difference between buying an exotic cat or dog or bird?
    The doubt lies where the animal is offered for sale.

    Whether it be the Shanghai bird market on Renmin Rd, back street shops in Little India, Singapore, Chat a Chuck (sp?) Sunday market in BKK or some Sunday newspaper advertiser in Australia. These are invariably an outlets to a greater supply chain of saleable, some time illegal, exotic birds.
    I don't think street vendors can be singled out exclusively in this industry.

    So what if the bird (snake or chameleon etc. etc. ) is bred and born in captivity for the sole purpose of being an expensive, exotic, well cared for pet?????

    Similarities to the sourcing and maintaining of a life long relationship with an exotic Thai "bird" might well be drawn to many farang / thai relationships.

    Well, that's my two bobs worth on the issue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khun Custard
    So what if the bird (snake or chameleon etc. etc. ) is bred and born in captivity for the sole purpose of being an expensive, exotic, well cared for pet?????
    have a look at this shoes., i dont think it will be a expensive, exotic, well cared for pet

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    KW, point taken
    I have enjoyed many years of sucessfully hand raising legal, exotic birds so that's where I'm coming from.
    In terms of reptiles, I wouldn't wear them - more on the cringe factor than concern for the source of supply.

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    Black-winged Kite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Sorry but isn't this more likely to be the sad bugger of a bird? As the other one is almost only living in Australia....
    Anyway it is a shitty business selling raptors.

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    Well he was still there on sunday morning...

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