Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 32
  1. #1
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    59,983

    Selling protected wildlife in Jakarta

    What to do about this man who sells Eagles and Owls each day by the roadside in Jakarta ? They are supposed to be protected birds, what sort of idiot would buy a bird like that to keep in a cage ? I assume he pays off the police.


  2. #2
    Thailand Expat

    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Last Online
    07-02-2011 @ 03:00 PM
    Location
    denmark pattaya and buri ram
    Posts
    1,288
    a sad stori isent there any wildlife protecion groups there?

  3. #3
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    59,983
    There is, mostly they sing songs, make posters and raise money.

    Even if a group did arrest him, he'll no doubt go back to a new corner, his suppliers will continue to sell to the next person, he'll still have a staving family, i dunno, maybe I'm just an eternal optimist!

  4. #4
    Member
    Thungsongsausage's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Last Online
    11-09-2013 @ 07:55 PM
    Location
    In a sausage.
    Posts
    267
    Poorest of the poor....

  5. #5
    Thailand Expat Fondles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Chonburi, Thailand
    Posts
    7,861
    Fuckin small lookin bird,I would need atleast three to feed me and the missus.

  6. #6
    Member
    Gipsy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Online
    07-02-2020 @ 08:20 AM
    Location
    NE of Chiang Mai
    Posts
    631
    As long as there's demand, people will catch, and sell wildlife...



    The bird on the photo above: Black-shouldered kite (Elanus caeruleus), a common resident in SE Asia, but for how long?

    Here's an article on wildlife trade on Java: Wildlife Trade in Bird Markets in Java is Still High

  7. #7
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    59,983
    Well spotted. Thank-you. (from a rather ordinary photo)

    LC Black-winged Kite Elanus caeruleus
    2009 IUCN Red List Category (as evaluated by BirdLife International - the official Red List Authority for birds for IUCN): Least Concern

    Justification This species has an extremely large range, and hence does not approach the thresholds for Vulnerable under the range size criterion (Extent of Occurrence <20,000 km2 combined with a declining or fluctuating range size, habitat extent/quality, or population size and a small number of locations or severe fragmentation). The population trend appears to be stable, and hence the species does not approach the thresholds for Vulnerable under the population trend criterion (>30% decline over ten years or three generations). The population size is extremely large, and hence does not approach the thresholds for Vulnerable under the population size criterion (<10,000 mature individuals with a continuing decline estimated to be >10% in ten years or three generations, or with a specified population structure). For these reasons the species is evaluated as Least Concern.


    Family/Sub-family Accipitridae
    Species name author (Desfontaines, 1789)
    Taxonomic source(s) AERC TAC (2003), Cramp and Simmons (1977-1994), Dowsett and Forbes-Watson (1993), Sibley and Monroe (1990, 1993)
    Population estimate
    Population trend
    Range estimate (breeding/resident)
    Country endemic?
    1,000,000
    unset
    -
    No


    Important Bird Areas Click here to view map showing IBAs where species is recorded and triggers any of the IBA criteria.
    Further web sources of information
    Detailed species account from Birds in Europe: population estimates, trends and conservation status (BirdLife International 2004)
    Text account compilers Stuart Butchart (BirdLife International), Jonathan Ekstrom (BirdLife International), Matt Harding (BirdLife International)
    IUCN Red List evaluators Jeremy Bird (BirdLife International), Stuart Butchart (BirdLife International)
    Recommended citation BirdLife International (2009) Species factsheet: Elanus caeruleus. Downloaded from BirdLife International - conserving the world's birds on 8/12/2009
    This information is based upon, and updates, the information published in BirdLife International (2000) Threatened birds of the world. Barcelona and Cambridge, UK: Lynx Edicions and BirdLife International, BirdLife International (2004) Threatened birds of the world 2004 CD-ROM and BirdLife International (2008) Threatened birds of the world 2008 CD-ROM. These sources provide the information for species accounts for the birds on the IUCN Red List.
    To provide new information to update this factsheet or to correct any errors, please email BirdLife
    To contribute to discussions on the evaluation of the IUCN Red List status of Globally Threatened Birds, please visit BirdLife's Globally Threatened Bird Forums


    Black-winged Kite (Elanus caeruleus) - BirdLife species factsheet

  8. #8
    Excommunicated baldrick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Last Online
    Today @ 10:56 PM
    Posts
    24,761
    what do they taste like ? better than rat ?

  9. #9
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    59,983
    Quote Originally Posted by smeden View Post
    a sad stori isent there any wildlife protecion groups there?
    Turns out I was too pessimistic, I've been contacted by a wildlife group www.profauna.com as a result of this thread and they've collected details from me and will be contacting the local police to close him down!

  10. #10
    Knows fok all
    daveboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Kent
    Posts
    5,223
    Grass

  11. #11
    Member
    zemotion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Online
    15-06-2010 @ 02:00 PM
    Posts
    83
    It's the supplier not the vendor.

  12. #12
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    59,983
    ^^ I suppose I am

    ^ Most certainly the suppliers are to blame, however, surely the response needs to be multiarmed, target the buyers, vendors, suppliers all at once. Unfortunately in indonesia it is difficult to a lack of funding and education, but great that a local company is concerned enough to start somewhere.

  13. #13
    Boxed Member
    Nawty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Online
    20-04-2015 @ 07:37 PM
    Location
    in a state of mind
    Posts
    9,709
    can you get me one ?

    I was thinking to train one to fly over the rice and keep the birds away.....

    Nawty de Falconer...

  14. #14
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    59,983
    do you think that they will get along with your monkeys though?

    I'll ask him how much! I bet it is not particularly pricey.

  15. #15
    Boxed Member
    Nawty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Online
    20-04-2015 @ 07:37 PM
    Location
    in a state of mind
    Posts
    9,709
    Getting it here will be a problem....ask him if he knows some smugglers to get it here.

  16. #16
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    59,983
    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty View Post
    Getting it here will be a problem....ask him if he knows some smugglers to get it here.

    This guy said he could smuggle it over for you, he is hiding his face so the immigration officials will not be able to recognize him!


  17. #17
    Boxed Member
    Nawty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Online
    20-04-2015 @ 07:37 PM
    Location
    in a state of mind
    Posts
    9,709
    how much....pay on arrival only

  18. #18
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    59,983
    1/2 now, 1/2 after.

    send your money to Kingwilly. Siam Bank, 1203 4444 7456


  19. #19
    Boxed Member
    Nawty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Online
    20-04-2015 @ 07:37 PM
    Location
    in a state of mind
    Posts
    9,709
    Thats a Nigerian account....

    I never pay before

  20. #20
    Boxed Member
    Nawty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Online
    20-04-2015 @ 07:37 PM
    Location
    in a state of mind
    Posts
    9,709
    You see, thats what I like so much about Asia, you can buy almost anything and it dont cost a fortune.

    I have always wanted an Orangutan and drive around with it in me car and stuff like that......just might be able to get it one day

  21. #21
    Member
    Khun Custard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Last Online
    23-08-2017 @ 07:28 PM
    Location
    Not where I want to be
    Posts
    707
    I'm 50/50 on this one, mainly in relation to birds that are bred and raised in captivity.

    I'll assume that the bird in question is of that origin.

    Generally, birds or any animal will not breed unless they are in a right environment, specially birds nearing extinction which must be partly attributed to breeding problems. Would two sea eagles breed in a budgie cage ? - I don't think so.

    So what is the difference between buying an exotic cat or dog or bird?
    The doubt lies where the animal is offered for sale.

    Whether it be the Shanghai bird market on Renmin Rd, back street shops in Little India, Singapore, Chat a Chuck (sp?) Sunday market in BKK or some Sunday newspaper advertiser in Australia. These are invariably an outlets to a greater supply chain of saleable, some time illegal, exotic birds.
    I don't think street vendors can be singled out exclusively in this industry.

    So what if the bird (snake or chameleon etc. etc. ) is bred and born in captivity for the sole purpose of being an expensive, exotic, well cared for pet?????

    Similarities to the sourcing and maintaining of a life long relationship with an exotic Thai "bird" might well be drawn to many farang / thai relationships.

    Well, that's my two bobs worth on the issue!

  22. #22
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    59,983
    Quote Originally Posted by Khun Custard
    So what if the bird (snake or chameleon etc. etc. ) is bred and born in captivity for the sole purpose of being an expensive, exotic, well cared for pet?????
    have a look at this shoes., i dont think it will be a expensive, exotic, well cared for pet

  23. #23
    Member
    Khun Custard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Last Online
    23-08-2017 @ 07:28 PM
    Location
    Not where I want to be
    Posts
    707
    KW, point taken
    I have enjoyed many years of sucessfully hand raising legal, exotic birds so that's where I'm coming from.
    In terms of reptiles, I wouldn't wear them - more on the cringe factor than concern for the source of supply.

  24. #24
    Member
    ebeth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Last Online
    21-03-2014 @ 06:54 PM
    Location
    Europe or MaeTaeng
    Posts
    98
    Black-winged Kite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Sorry but isn't this more likely to be the sad bugger of a bird? As the other one is almost only living in Australia....
    Anyway it is a shitty business selling raptors.

  25. #25
    Thailand Expat
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    59,983
    Well he was still there on sunday morning...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •