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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    The death penalty does not deter criminals or drug smugglers.
    And neither does having ones hand chopped of for stealing, as per some countries. But the law of the country has to be obeyed and the consequences of not adhering to a country's law is well known, as in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post

    The death penalty does not deter criminals or drug smugglers.

    Although Im sure that it does deter would be drug smugglers .

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    I don't mid the death penalty, but I do think it needs a higher standard of proof, i.e. drugs strapped to you body is a lay down, bit drugs in your checked baggage is always open to doubt.

    Any case where there are grounds for appeal on evidence should just be life.
    All this 10 or 20 years on death row stuff is torture and inhumane. If you are confident enough to give them a death sentence, be confident enough to carry it out in a timely fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
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    A fact so often overlooked; harsh penalties do nothing to deter drug smuggling as is seen anywhere else, even worse those caught are rarely the real culprits.
    Are you saying that most people who get caught smuggling drugs are innocent ?
    Let me spell it out for you: The people who control the trafficking use others, i.e. 'suckers' of a sort, people who are often short of a good education and commons sense (rather like you ) or are desperate for money amongst other reasons. That doesn't make them innocent of course but their ignorance makes them a prime target for drug barons. One would hope given the time you have lived in Thailand you would already be well aware of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
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    A fact so often overlooked; harsh penalties do nothing to deter drug smuggling as is seen anywhere else, even worse those caught are rarely the real culprits.
    Are you saying that most people who get caught smuggling drugs are innocent ?
    Let me spell it out for you: The people who control the trafficking use others, i.e. 'suckers' of a sort, people who are often short of a good education and commons sense (rather like you ) or are desperate for money amongst other reasons. That doesn't make them innocent of course but their ignorance makes them a prime target for drug barons. One would hope given the time you have lived in Thailand you would already be well aware of this.
    Yes, I agree that there are probably other people involved, but that doesnt make the actual smugglers any less guilty of smuggling drugs .
    The ones caught are indeed the real culprit's . You try to portray the smugglers as somehow being the victims, do you also view the smugglers who didnt get caught and are now rich who never need to work again, as being victims?

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    The people on Death row may only be mules in many cases but if there were no mules than the drugs would be much harder to transport.

    This is the reason they top mules.

    We all make our own choices in this life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    You try to portray the smugglers as somehow being the victims, do you also view the smugglers who didnt get caught and are now rich who never need to work again, as being victims?
    Some are 'victims' through sheer ignorance. I doubt if there are many if any who have become so rich they need not work again, again it is those who are doing the administering that fall into that category.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    The people on Death row may only be mules in many cases but if there were no mules than the drugs would be much harder to transport.

    This is the reason they top mules.

    We all make our own choices in this life.
    A very uniformed statement if I ever I read one; topping mules will not eradicate mules so the problem persists. In England they used to hang people for stealing horses but that didn't stop people stealing horses. Yes some make choices but why? In addition a good many are too ignorant to realize just how much trouble they will land up in. Simple greed? I doubt it. Very likely you live a reasonably comfortable and closetted life or at least one better than the desperation some experience in that region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    You try to portray the smugglers as somehow being the victims, do you also view the smugglers who didnt get caught and are now rich who never need to work again, as being victims?
    Some are 'victims' through sheer ignorance. I doubt if there are many if any, who have become so rich they need not work again, again it is those who are doing the administering that fall into that category.
    How much do you think they get paid to smuggle the drugs ?
    Sometimes the caught haul runs into $millions , they are probably on about $100 000 a trip and a few successful trips, and you are set up for life, one unsuccessful trip and you are set up for death .
    I really do not think that any smugglers are unaware of the punishments for smuggling drugs , its plastered all over the walls .
    They are not ignorant, they take a chance and they know the consequences and they all so know how much money they will receive , if successful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
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    The people on Death row may only be mules in many cases but if there were no mules than the drugs would be much harder to transport.

    This is the reason they top mules.

    We all make our own choices in this life.
    Very likely you live a reasonably comfortable and closetted life or at least one better than the desperation some experience in that region.
    Terry is from the same Country as some of the smugglers .

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    These two get a bullet, they played the tough guys at the arrest, not big players, if everyone gives up the next level in the chain.
    Sick of politicians crying about capital punishment, ask the people if they want it.
    Been to a few UDs in my time, believe drugs should be legal and safe, dealers are not.
    More people die in Victoria OZ from drugs and related crime then car accidents, yet we have around 4,000 traffic cops and 200 drug cops.
    It's a subject I have a simple out look on, ask any mother, father who has lost a son, daughter to drugs, ask parents what should happen to suppliers selling starter packs at the local high school.
    These 2 would have killed others without a thought, tie them to a pole.
    KW, when dead they they don't re offend, end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    How much do you think they get paid to smuggle the drugs ?
    Sometimes the caught haul runs into $millions ,
    That most of us don't know but you can be sure it will not be any where near as much as the big guys in the background.

    they are probably on about $100 000 a trip and a few successful trips, and you are set up for life, one unsuccessful trip and you are set up for death .
    Probably shows you do not actually know the amount varies, the rest of your sentence is stating the obvious.

    I really do not think that any smugglers are unaware of the punishments for smuggling drugs , its plastered all over the walls .
    Singapore of all places once pardoned a Burmese man as he was illiterate and had no idea he was committing a crime. There are plenty of other illerate and ill-informed persons with poor English skills who can be hood-winked by unscroupulous persons. Compare the pimps in China who procure girls for prostitution for example.


    What needs to be looked at is why people indulge in this sort of crime in the first place which I admit is much harder to do than simply executing them which ultimately solves nothing as mine and earlier posts show, plenty of other crimes kill or maim people but I don't hear anybody advocating the death penalty for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Malaysia topped two young Aussies back in the Eighties.

    Barlow and Chambers were Busted clean with a heap of smack and had been trafficking the shit.

    Both from my home town, one was the Brain and the other was the mule.

    Massive outcry when Malaysia hung them.

    A few days later all forgotten. The vast majority of humans ain't got much sympathy for these lot at the end of the day.

    Most speak up just to make themselves feel better.



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    Interesting points of view that have certainly travelled the years. I support the death penalty for convicted drug smugglers where there is an accountable justice system. I realise that even in first world countries there are anomalies within systems that could see an improper conviction but hey the death penalty must be something of a deterrent as it does stop those executed in their tracks. What is the other option....lengthy jail terms.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post

    Singapore of all places once pardoned a Burmese man as he was illiterate and had no idea he was committing a crime. There are plenty of other illiterate and ill-informed persons with poor English skills who can be hood-winked by unscrupulous persons.

    Mate ,

    I love the way you spin this by quoting up views as above where maybe it could be the case. But it simply is not true.

    This is because no Master mind is going to fit up an Illiterate Burmese in the first place as he will be flagged going through the Airport . That sort of person could not even fill out his or her Immigration card.

    Illiterate poor people do not fly do they. Total bullshit to that one.

    Actually its the Opposite. In many cases people who are well turned out are the smugglers simply because they draw the least attention from immigration officers.

    Anyway mate, you keep crying a river for the poor unfortunate drug smuggler and the vast majority of us will keep loading the bullets.

    Job done, one less scum in society.

    I do only support the Death penalty when punters have been caught out with heavy drugs of large quantities though.

    There's the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KEVIN2008
    A second batch of executions would be held later this year which also target drug smugglers, he warned.
    Bali nine boys and a few others will have the old sphincter muscle clenching, I would think.
    It will be all over for them very soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post

    Singapore of all places once pardoned a Burmese man as he was illiterate and had no idea he was committing a crime. There are plenty of other illiterate and ill-informed persons with poor English skills who can be hood-winked by unscrupulous persons.

    Mate ,

    I love the way you spin this by quoting up views as above where maybe it could be the case. But it simply is not true.

    This is because no Master mind is going to fit up an Illiterate Burmese in the first place as he will be flagged going through the Airport . That sort of person could not even fill out his or her Immigration card.
    Never said they did, in fact that was all I know about that particular issue you are the one twisting things.

    Illiterate poor people do not fly do they. Total bullshit to that one.
    Says who idiot brain?

    Actually its the Opposite. In many cases people who are well turned out are the smugglers simply because they draw the least attention from immigration officers.
    Not true; you are living in a fantasy world - most airports have X-ray equipment and not infrequently those carrying drugs are known about before they even arrive at their intended destinations.

    Anyway mate, you keep crying a river for the poor unfortunate drug smuggler and the vast majority of us will keep loading the bullets.
    That makes you look a bigger idiot than you already are.

    I do only support the Death penalty when punters have been caught out with heavy drugs of large quantities though.
    I will concede there are those who get what they ask for but issues are larger than somebody simply trafficking drugs to get rich but then you are so f*** pompous that never occurs to you. Like most people you find on these boards you are simply one of those people who lives in his cosey closetted world with little contact with reality, pity you if it ever bites!

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    ^

    Whatever

    Chan has been denied leniency on his death penalty and now they are up for it.

    I just read a report in an Australian news paper, they polled the people on whether the two Aussies deserve to die.

    Came in 2 to 1 in support of them being offed.

    Interesting that innit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KEVIN2008
    the ultimate Indonesian statutory penalty
    which will not happen to the little boy driving his fathers car too fast

    none of the rich fcukers get topped
    Indo's got a massive drug dealing population of its own.

    Ever hear of any of them getting executed, if caught?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Indo's got a massive drug dealing population of its own. Ever hear of any of them getting executed, if caught?
    May be because the death penalty is for 'trafficking' which may be the Indo's ain't stupid enough to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    May be because the death penalty is for 'trafficking' which may be the Indo's ain't stupid enough to do?
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Indo's got a massive drug dealing population of its own.

    Ever hear of any of them getting executed, if caught?
    Read the OP.

    One of the 6 executed was Indonesian.

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    One was.

    Yet the Indo gov acknowledges that Indonesia is a hub of drug production.

    What gives?

    Why not prosecute the Indio drug cartels as well?

    A few farang and one hapless Indo doesn't constitute any kind of major threat on the morality of Indonesians in the least sense.

    The Indos are drugging out and exporting drugs from a home-grown base.

    Largely Muslim owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post

    What needs to be looked at is why people indulge in this sort of crime in the first place .
    Then you need to ask "What do they receive for doing it "
    Job satisfaction ?

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