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Old 22-06-2014, 09:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Jakarta's Nazi Cafe Reopens

Nazi-themed café in Indonesia reopens

Nazi-themed café in Indonesia reopens — keeping the swastikas and images of Hitler it pledged to remove

International condemnation forced owner to shut his café, but it has re-opened with many of the offensive items still intact, which are claimed to be for history buffs
ANDREW GRIFFIN Sunday 22 June 2014



A Nazi-themed café that was shut following after international protest at its décor has re-opened — still bearing quotations and paintings of Adolf Hitler, and staff in Nazi uniforms.

The SoldatenKaffee — named after a café in Paris popular with German soldiers during World War 2 — is in Bandung, Indonesia’s third-largest city. The café was closed last year after its owner received death threats, but they pledged to re-open it and remove the swastikas.

But when it was re-launched this weekend, men attended the opening in Nazi uniform and others posed as prisoners of war. The café does now feature some allied memorabilia, but the Nazi insignia and uniforms that prompted the protest remain.

Henry Mulyana, Indonesian owner of the reopened SoldatenKaffee in Bandung city, western Java island on June 21, 2014 speaks during the opening ceremony.
“All aspects of the SoldatenKaffee are legal,” owner Henry Mulyana told AFP. “We have a lot of customers from Europe and they don’t have a problem with the World War II theme, because it is seen here from a historical perspective,” he said.

A spokesman for the café’s owners said that it was interested in military history, not ideology or glorification.

The cafe's spokesman defended the business because it now displays a range of allied uniforms, alongside Nazi ones. A press conference — which featured historical discussion as well as an impassioned plea from the owners’ spokesman not to criticise the café — was held on Saturday ahead of the café’s re-opening with new owners. The spokesman highlighted that the café now featured uniforms worn by allied forces, though the conference was conducted under a large imperial eagle bearing a swastika.

“The main theme of this café is World War 2 military,” the spokesman said. “So not only WW2 German, as you can see allied forces on display too.”

The cafe's spokesman highlighted the allied uniforms on display, though it is still largely decorated with Nazi memorabilia.

SoldatenKaffee had been in business for three years before it gained the attention of the world’s media. Press reports were followed by fierce international condemnation, largely from Jewish organisations, and the café’s owner said that he had received death threats.

Authorities investigated the café after the reports, and then opted to shut it down in July 2013.

The café’s Facebook page features pictures including a photograph of a soldier dressed in Nazi uniform with the caption “I stand on the Führer side.” The page claims that the post is “just for fun. NO political issues. NO glorification.”

The picture also bears the number 88 in large type, a code often used by far-right activists for 'Heil Hitler'.

The cafe still bears large quotations from Adolf Hitler on its walls.
The Jewish population of Indonesia is tiny, and historians have blamed poor education for the lack of awareness and sensitivity about the Holocaust in the country, AFP said.

Several countries in Europe have criminalised the promotion or denial of the Holocaust.
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Good for him.
World, get over it.
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Old 22-06-2014, 10:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Good for him.
World, get over it.
The selected Western world that are harbored with this long-running thing with Hitler/Nazis/Jews.

It's a very narrow spectrum.

The world is not [forced] overtly conscious towards this overkilled subject matter
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Slight correction in the title though, Bandung is not in Jakarta. It's about a 3 or 4 hour drive east.
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Slight correction in the title though, Bandung is not in Jakarta. It's about a 3 or 4 hour drive east
Many years ago I travelled from Bandung to Jakarta on the train, so I shouldn't have made that mistake. I must have copied it from the original headline on the homepage.

Regarding pics...in the report I linked to from 'The Independent' there is an absolutely bizarre one of a guy praying in a room made up to be a nazi era prison cell. Take a look.
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You MUST agree with and support the Jews in EVERYTHING or you're a Nazi according to neemo and some other soft in the head types.
You MUST NOT be critical of Jews.
Any other race/nationality/religion is ok, but not the precious Jews.
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You MUST agree with and support the Jews in EVERYTHING or you're a Nazi according to neemo and some other soft in the head types.
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Although if you do dislike Jews solely because they are Jews, you can understand the Nazi comparisons
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You MUST agree with and support the Jews in EVERYTHING or you're a Nazi according to neemo and some other soft in the head types.
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Although if you do dislike Jews solely because they are Jews, you can understand the Nazi comparisons
Would that include denying that they are actually Jewish based upon where they live?

The cafe is of poor taste. However, is it worse that say Lord Bath having and displaying a large collection of Hitlers water colour paintings?
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Both equally poor taste.
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What's the time limit? Is their a rule or guideline?
How long before someone can build and SS themed casino in vegas across from the big Pyramid and Circus Maximus?
Does the holocaust museum in Israel make any reference to their own genocide of the existing Amelekites and other Philistine tribes?
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Any other race/nationality/religion is ok, but not the precious Jews.
Hook, line and sinker...
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You never actually say anything do you.
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You MUST agree with and support the Jews in EVERYTHING or you're a Nazi according to neemo and some other soft in the head types.
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Although if you do dislike Jews solely because they are Jews, you can understand the Nazi comparisons
But I don't dislike Jews, I also don't think they're above criticism.
The Catholics get a fair amount of flack here, and fair enough. One word against the Jews though and you're a Nazi.
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I'd plough my way through every one of them, but doubt any understand the "theme"



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But I don't dislike Jews, I also don't think they're above criticism.
The Catholics get a fair amount of flack here, and fair enough. One word against the Jews though and you're a Nazi.

Cry me a river... has anybody called you a Nazi?
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You MUST agree with and support the Jews in EVERYTHING or you're a Nazi according to neemo and some other soft in the head types.
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Although if you do dislike Jews solely because they are Jews, you can understand the Nazi comparisons
But I don't dislike Jews, I also don't think they're above criticism.
The Catholics get a fair amount of flack here, and fair enough. One word against the Jews though and you're a Nazi.
You are quite free to be critical of a person who is Jewish, but criticizing a person because they are Jewish is racist .
BTW I haven't noticed any discussion at all about Catholics on here let alone critism
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What about criticism of the Jewish religion or behaviour of the group?
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What about criticism of the Jewish religion or behaviour of the group?
Who called you a Nazi for criticising the Jewish Religion?
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