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    Jakarta itself was sited and constructed by the Dutch. (Batavia).

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    Perhaps for some Dutch rule was good, mercantilism, free exploitation etc. But then not, for the people or the area. Striking difference to British Empire who brought rule of law, infrastructure etc. Still, Dutch were way much much more better than the French.

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    Dunno about comparing which colonial masters were better or worse.

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    There is difference in "colonial masters". There certainly are better and worse.

    Why do you speak English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    Dunno about comparing which colonial masters were better or worse.
    You favour blanket judgements, then?

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    The drainage, canals and dams were built during dutch times (and have not been improved since, including Jakarta's lack of a proper sewage system).
    Seems in that sense it was quite lucky the dutch got cracking at the time, then, if the sewers 'have not been improved since'.

    I'm not aware of any Italian input on the sewerage systems of Ethiopia, so it would seem that some colonialists did get more useful stuff done than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
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    You MUST agree with and support the Jews in EVERYTHING or you're a Nazi according to neemo and some other soft in the head types.
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    Although if you do dislike Jews solely because they are Jews, you can understand the Nazi comparisons
    But I don't dislike Jews, I also don't think they're above criticism.
    The Catholics get a fair amount of flack here, and fair enough. One word against the Jews though and you're a Nazi.
    Koojo lets get one thing quite clear I have NEVER ever branded those who may criticize the Jews or The Israeli's as "Nazi's", what I have clearly said time without number that when given my choice I will choose the Jews and the Israeli's every time without exception ,I mean lets be truthful you never hear of the two different Jewish sects in Israel slaughtering each other like cattle and making millions of refugee's in the process ,or read words like a jewish global jihad like you do with the Muslims ,there is little difference between an infidel or a Jew in the radical Islamist's eyes as has been proved by their terrorist attacks against Christian targets , the Jew's are far more advanced when it comes to innovation and services to mankind there are only 15 million Jews and yet they have been awarded approx 150 Nobel prizes (not be be confused by the Nobel peace prize), whilst the 1.5 Billion Muslims have only received 9 ,even the lady in the RIP thread who discovered the bullet proof material was the daughter of Polish Jew immigrants !, the Israeli's or the Jews pose no threat whatsoever to our way of life in Europe or the West,which is in stark contrast to the Islamic,s ,so its hardly rocket science why I personally prefer the Israeli/Jews to Muslims

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    Not really, England is loaded with museums that display Nazi gear.

    That is what museums do- display history. I am all for teaching objective and factual history. People should know about the past good and bad.

    Your examples of Dad's Army and Hogan's Hero's was missing one little detail. At that time there were many WWII veterans and Concentration Camp survivors living. Some might have watched the show, others might have despised it- but they were aware of the murderous actions of the Nazis. I doubt the patrons of the bar in Jakarta would have had a clue.

    How would most Brits feel about an IRA comedy show, featuring loveable IRA terrorists blowing people to bits in the pub? The show gets a following in Jakarta and teenagers -who don't have a clue about the IRA- start imitating and glorifying bombing of UK pubs. How about Asian expats in Australia starting up a Death Railway Amusement Park in Melbourne? And when many Aussies rightfully object, they are blown of with "You can't take a joke or Why are Australians so nationalistic?"

    I agree with some of your post (Yeah there was a TV series named Hogan's Heroes and yeah the History Channel has a lot of WWII content) but why is a bad thing to have some consideration for others?

    I seriously doubt that the same Indonesian Patrons of the Nazi bar would be amused if the Dutch thought that the Indonesian killings of 1965-66 was cute and celebrated such with a bar in Amsterdam.

    Indonesian killings of 1965

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    Great post Lancelot ,brimming with common sense , my compliments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot
    cute





    They need to make the cafe more sexy, and less boring. Get some sluts dressed in Nazi Uniforms, and you would get the F1 millionaires in there and Prince Harry.

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    Do they serve kosher food?

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Great post Lancelot ,brimming with common sense , my compliments
    Appreciated Piwanoi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
    Not really, England is loaded with museums that display Nazi gear.

    That is what museums do- display history. I am all for teaching objective and factual history. People should know about the past good and bad.

    Your examples of Dad's Army and Hogan's Hero's was missing one little detail. At that time there were many WWII veterans and Concentration Camp survivors living. Some might have watched the show, others might have despised it- but they were aware of the murderous actions of the Nazis. I doubt the patrons of the bar in Jakarta would have had a clue.

    How would most Brits feel about an IRA comedy show, featuring loveable IRA terrorists blowing people to bits in the pub? The show gets a following in Jakarta and teenagers -who don't have a clue about the IRA- start imitating and glorifying bombing of UK pubs. How about Asian expats in Australia starting up a Death Railway Amusement Park in Melbourne? And when many Aussies rightfully object, they are blown of with "You can't take a joke or Why are Australians so nationalistic?"

    I agree with some of your post (Yeah there was a TV series named Hogan's Heroes and yeah the History Channel has a lot of WWII content) but why is a bad thing to have some consideration for others?

    I seriously doubt that the same Indonesian Patrons of the Nazi bar would be amused if the Dutch thought that the Indonesian killings of 1965-66 was cute and celebrated such with a bar in Amsterdam.

    Indonesian killings of 1965

    Still not explaining why it is ok, today, right now, for some people to make money off of WWII and Nazi themes and not others.
    Why is it ok for Quentin to make millions leveraging the Nazis in a movie where he depicts the murder of a jewish family in an almost comedic scene, but it's not ok for this guy to sell coffee in a swastika cup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99
    Still not explaining why it is ok, today, right now, for some people to make money off of WWII and Nazi themes and not others.
    Indeed - AIPAC has made Billions off of this theme, and the attached guilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    You favour blanket judgements, then?
    Nope. But I also like to avoid moral relativisms and judgments.

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    Good for him.
    World, get over it.


    You still haven't explained why the world should get over it...

    First Amendment rights in the USA. I don't agree with many of your statements but I would support your right to say them.

    However some actions and comments are intentionally hurtful and -in my opinion- just plain wrong. Freedom of speech also guarantees the right to disagree.

    You feel the world should get over the Holocaust. OK, in that same vein how about the murder of Jean McConville by the IRA in 1972. Would you inform her surviving family to "Get over it?" What would the UK public reaction be to a statement like that?

    How about going to Cambodia and telling a Khmer that lost his entire immediate family to the Khmer Rouge to "Get over it"? Since you didn't have any skin in the game you are in a position to tell others what their feelings should be as well, right?

    You support the Jakarta Nazi Café and hope he prospers financially. I find it loathsome feel pity for the Indonesians glorifying a murderous regime that the world should not forget.

    You support the café; I do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot
    I find it loathsome feel pity for the US glorifying a murderous regime that the world should not forget.
    One day, Lance, people will be saying this as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot
    I find it loathsome feel pity for the US glorifying a murderous regime that the world should not forget.
    One day, Lance, people will be saying this as well.
    This is what I actually posted: I find it loathsome feel pity for the Indonesians glorifying a murderous regime that the world should not forget.

    So misquoting me is the best you can do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
    Good for him.
    World, get over it.


    You still haven't explained why the world should get over it...

    First Amendment rights in the USA. I don't agree with many of your statements but I would support your right to say them.

    However some actions and comments are intentionally hurtful and -in my opinion- just plain wrong. Freedom of speech also guarantees the right to disagree.

    You feel the world should get over the Holocaust. OK, in that same vein how about the murder of Jean McConville by the IRA in 1972. Would you inform her surviving family to "Get over it?" What would the UK public reaction be to a statement like that?

    How about going to Cambodia and telling a Khmer that lost his entire immediate family to the Khmer Rouge to "Get over it"? Since you didn't have any skin in the game you are in a position to tell others what their feelings should be as well, right?

    You support the Jakarta Nazi Café and hope he prospers financially. I find it loathsome feel pity for the Indonesians glorifying a murderous regime that the world should not forget.

    You support the café; I do not.

    You are still dodging the question. Why is it ok for some to profit and not others??

    Stalin has a theme park, why can't Hitler have a little coffee shop?
    Mao has one too, right there in the country where he murdered 40 million.
    Bomber Harris has a statue and he deliberately incinerated thousands upon thousand of civilians.


    Do you have a little belly laugh when Schultz comes to attention and says "I know notzing!"
    Did you split your sides laughing when Fawlty was goose stepping and saying "Don't mention the War?"
    Did you think it was a good ending when Kelly drove off with all that Nazi gold some of which probably came from jewish teeth and the goofy Tanker swapped tanks with the SS 1st Panzer commander?

    Here's a stocking stuffer for Christmas, made by a US company.




    Her's one sold by a UK company. Look! Everyones favourite Eichmann!




    So, spare me your outrage and tell me why some people can make money off Hitler and the Nazis and others can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot
    So misquoting me is the best you can do?
    Ahh mate you are far too serious. As you do find this LOATHSOME I assume you have never stepped foot in a VW, worn or admired a product from Hugo Boss, used or consumed any Bayer product, take a picture with Kodak film, owned anything with a seimens product in it, slurped down a fanta, sat in a Ford, topped up your car, or sat in a vehicle fuelled by one of the Rockefeller firms (standard oil in particular, without whom, the Luftwaffe could not fly), tapped one of you posts on a computer with IBM components, read a book published by Random House.... oh the list goes on.

    Some of the biggest companies and brands in the world kicked started their businesses with Nazi money (ooops did I forget Bush snr and Jnr?) and yet you get all sensitive about a cafe?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot
    cute





    They need to make the cafe more sexy, and less boring. Get some sluts dressed in Nazi Uniforms, and you would get the F1 millionaires in there and Prince Harry.
    And the marketing slogan would obviously be
    ' We've got sluts dressed in Nazi Uniforms '.
    It's a winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    ' We've got sluts dressed in Nazi Uniforms '.
    It's a winner.
    I'd be there in a shot - the ultimate kick in the face for the nazis to bang one of their birds up the arse, no?

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    There is no political argument with these ladies. What hitler did is not well known here, because here is Asia and f-off europe and it's problems. I'd hope they read history, but that's not going to happen. Now europe is just some poor backward continent somewhere far and who cares for the new world rules: China Japan Korea Taiwan Thailand Vietnam. As the US officially said, Fu.k.EU. I'll send you a LINE sticker

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    ' We've got sluts dressed in Nazi Uniforms '.
    It's a winner.
    I'd be there in a shot - the ultimate kick in the face for the nazis to bang one of their birds up the arse, no?
    Posting things like that, you sound like a right thickko .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
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    ' We've got sluts dressed in Nazi Uniforms '.
    It's a winner.
    I'd be there in a shot - the ultimate kick in the face for the nazis to bang one of their birds up the arse, no?
    Posting things like that, you sound like a right thickko .
    Why? according to you, no real Jews were killed by the Nazis. They were all fake jews so what's your beef about now?

    Oh, and thicko has 1 K. Only a thicko would spell it thickko
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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    ' We've got sluts dressed in Nazi Uniforms '.
    It's a winner.
    I'd be there in a shot - the ultimate kick in the face for the nazis to bang one of their birds up the arse, no?
    Posting things like that, you sound like a right thickko .
    Why? according to you, no real Jews were killed by the Nazis. They were all fake jews so what's your beef about now?

    Oh, and thicko has 1 K. Only a thicko would spell if thickko
    Eh ? Your post just sounds really thick .
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