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    Everything low carb diet

    Have you tried this diet? Seems to be some potential benefits.



    Here are a couple of videos about research related to the Low Carbohydrate diet / Ketogenic diet.

    Researchers in Canada have done research on mice that seems to show that LC prevents cancer in mice.





    An audio conversation with a different researcher who found that a ketogenic diet has some benefits for animals suffering from epileptic siezures.


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    Carbohydrates are such a big part of our diet because it is the cheapest way to keep our collective bellies full, and keep our worker bees dutifully producing- nothing to do with optimal nutrition. We indeed have way too many carb's in our diet, we also mix them quite regularly in the same meal, which is a no-no (eg go to the local macca's, and have a value meal with fries and bread. The burger bun has added sugar too, as does the coke you wash it down with). The body has to raise it's acidity level to digest it all. Result- diabetes, obesity, cancer, joint problems etc.

    The low carb diet is a bit of a misnomer in one respect, because it doesn't get to source. The real thing is to emphasize an alkaline or low acidity diet- which of necessity means 'low carbs' compared to the standard diet. Most of us grew up blaming animal fat for obesity- notice the obsession with low fat meats etc in the west. Actually carbs are much more to blame for this epidemic.

    Pretty good website here to incorporate a set of 'principles' in your diet. Incorporate them in full though, and you'll be eating like a cross between Gandhi and a rabbit.

    pH Miracle: Alkaline Health, Diet, and Nutritional Supplements like greens drink and water ionizers for weight loss, diabetes, cancer, and improved health.
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    These friggin experts change there mind by the day on what is good for the body.

    Everyone is different. If you have shit genes you will die young regardless

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii
    These friggin experts change there mind by the day on what is good for the body.
    It sure doesn't help that the 'food pyramid' we were brought up with was a fraud, foisted on schools by the big food combines like Nabisco etc. The new 'plate' thing is a fraud too, albeit less so. Then again, 'Big Food' has to keep untold millions of worker bees sustained and producing- a long way from their sources of nutrition, cheaply, and of course make money doing it. Our diets changed with industrialisation and the vast rural/ urban population shifts that were entailed, plus of course refrigeration. Neither does it help with these fad diets, like Atkins.

    But there are simple truths attached to nutrition and ones physiology that are not fads, and have mostly been around a long time- even if people don't actually know why these 'truisms' exist. Things like 'eat your veges', balanced diet, and don't have too many sweet things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    But there are simple truths attached to nutrition and ones physiology that are not fads, and have mostly been around a long time- even if people don't actually know why these 'truisms' exist. Things like 'eat your veges', balanced diet, and don't have too many sweet things.
    I've been saying it for years (though, not practising it sadly) that the best food for us is dead animal and dead vegetable. Anything that comes from a 'manufacturer' is shit.

    On a similar note, I was reading about a detox diet and it seemed like a good idea. Fuck, I'm hungry and could murder a cheese sarnie.

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    From that site Sabang...

    "Dr. Robert O. Young's New Biology™, most simply stated, is that the over-acidification of the body is the single underlying cause of all disease.

    In contrast, the old biology, based on the work of Louis Pasteur in the late 1800s, stems from the idea that disease comes from germs which invade the body from the outside. Dr. Young has found that when the body is in healthy alkaline balance, germs are unable to get a foothold.


    Think of Your Body as a Fish Tank.

    Think of the importance of maintaining the integrity of the internal fluids of the body that we "swim" in daily.

    Imagine the fish in this tank are your cells and organ systems bathed in fluids, which transport food and remove wastes. Now imagine we back up a car and put the tailpipe up against the air intake filter that supplies the oxygen for the water in the tank instead of a quality water machine. The water becomes filled with carbon monoxide, lowering the alkaline pH, creating an acidic pH environment, and threatening the health of the "fish," your cells and organs.

    What if we throw in too much food or the wrong kind of food (acid-producing food like dairy, sugar, and animal protein) and the fish are unable to consume or digest it all, and it starts to decompose and putrefy? Toxic acid waste and chemicals build up as the food breaks down, creating more acidic byproducts, altering the optimum alkaline pH of the water.

    Basically, this is a small example of what we may be doing to our internal fluids every day. We are fouling them with pollution, smoking, drugs, excessive intake of food, over-consumption of acid-forming foods, and any number of transgressions which compromise the delicate balance of our internal alkaline fluids. "

    Some of their foods seem towards the LC area if not in it.


    It's an interesting thing to consider. It's defintely not in the mainstream media. The fishbowl idea catches your attention if ever raised fish. Water quality in a bowl is such a big issue. Some might think you just put the fish in the water and they'll live foerver.


    I've always thought the body to be like either a river or canal. If you move the river water is fairly clean and if you don't it turns green. Water is important as is avoiding toxins.

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    On a different topic but connected to general health, I watched a low carb video by a woman who was an athlete in the past and was heavy then. Now's she's thin and keeps her weight off only by watching her carbs and food intake. One thing she brought up was the idea that running is never done in nature for fun. It's only done to escape preditors or to catch food. The body knows this. The same goes for excessive exertion. it's just not normal. When this happens your body kicks in with hunger. Lately I hear more and more that exercise just makes you hungry. No doubt that some is needed in our chair-bound work world but excessive exercise might not be a solution.

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    "Of course, everybody is different - but most of us should aim to eat 75-80% alkaline foods and a maximum of 20-25% acid forming foods."



    Here are just a few from each type of food. They definitely don't want people to eat fats and proteins from animals.


    Alkaline foods:

    VEGETABLES
    Asparagus
    Artichokes
    Cabbage
    Lettuce
    Onion
    Cauliflower
    Radish
    Swede
    Lambs Lettuce
    Peas
    Courgette
    Red Cabbage
    Leeks
    Watercress
    Spinach
    Turnip
    Chives
    Carrot
    Green Beans
    Beetroot
    Garlic
    Celery
    Grases (wheat, straw, barley, dog, kamut, etc.) Cucumber
    Brocco



    Acidic Foods
    MEATS
    Pork
    Lamb
    Beef
    Chicken
    Turkey
    Custaceans
    Other Seafood (apart from occasional oily fish such as salmon)


    A link to the page from where this comes.
    http://www.phmiracleliving.com/t-approach.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hampsha View Post
    "Of course, everybody is different - but most of us should aim to eat 75-80% alkaline foods and a maximum of 20-25% acid forming foods."



    Here are just a few from each type of food. They definitely don't want people to eat fats and proteins from animals.


    Alkaline foods:

    VEGETABLES
    Asparagus
    Artichokes
    Cabbage
    Lettuce
    Onion
    Cauliflower
    Radish
    Swede
    Lambs Lettuce
    Peas
    Courgette
    Red Cabbage
    Leeks
    Watercress
    Spinach
    Turnip
    Chives
    Carrot
    Green Beans
    Beetroot
    Garlic
    Celery
    Grases (wheat, straw, barley, dog, kamut, etc.) Cucumber
    Brocco



    Acidic Foods
    MEATS
    Pork
    Lamb
    Beef
    Chicken
    Turkey
    Custaceans
    Other Seafood (apart from occasional oily fish such as salmon)


    A link to the page from where this comes.
    Our Alkaline Approach to Health and Diet: How Greens Drink and Water Ionizers that produce alkaline water affect the acid-alkaline balance of the body.

    I am diabetic and have heart problems. I am on a diet very much like this one and for the first time in my life I am actually loosing weight. I went to the link and copied the list of foods. My wife who is as bad as my diabetes doctor wants to review the list and compare it to what I eat. LOL I think I am in trouble. On the Acid Foods side of the list I eat a lot of Fruits and Seeds & nuts. As my wife was reading the list she said to me, "No more cashew nuts for you." This is a great thread. More of us should take it more seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hampsha
    Dr. Young has found that when the body is in healthy alkaline balance, germs are unable to get a foothold.
    Bollocks, if you dont get infections then your body will not build up any resistance

    you are as good as your genes.

    look at all the poor little kids who have never left the hospital with leukaemia and all sorts

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    if your parents lived to a grand age, then you have a good chance of doing so too.

    On the other hand if both parents died young, then you might as well live life to the max

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    Sorry to put a dampener on the thread, sorry to read of your plight too Ceburat, i wish you well

    All of this is easy for me to say because i am in good health.

    Ignore me ok and enjoy the thread

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    An interesting story about a guy who seriously changed his fat fat self into incredible health.

    Before



    After


    The link to the story and pics

    The Unconquerable Dave | Mark's Daily Apple

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    For the 'casual' health conscious like myself, heres three simple rules that will make a difference-
    1- Eliminate added sugar from your diet, as far as possible. Refined sugar is nothing but an insidious, addictive, low grade poison. If you've got kids, try and keep them from becoming addicted. If you live in Thailand, Lord help ya.
    2- Only one complex carb per meal. That means Rice Or noodles with Asian, spuds Or bread Or pasta with western food. Remember that bloated feeling, after a few pints and all that, off to the local Ali's for a madras, a vindaloo (with spuds), some tandoori- with pilau rice and nan bread, of course. Start it off with an aloo gobi too (spuds). Remember that bloated, slightly bilious feeling feeling afterwards? If your digestive system could speak to you, you sure wouldn't enjoy it.
    3- Veges,veges, veges. As your body weans itself off it's sugar addiction, you will probably find yourself enjoying veg more. I did anyway. There is nothing healthier than raw fresh veges.

    Don't stress out though, trying to follow these rules to the letter. Thats another big killer.
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    A few more...





    Another health guy who believes in Low carb




    A long University of California video on the problem of fructose/sugar. At one point in the clip, the scientist in this claims giving sugar to your kid is as bad as giving them alcohol in terms of liver damage. He also labels sugar as a toxin which he explains through science in his presentation.




    The final clip is the same guy in the first clip giving a talk at Google, Inc. Some odd facts that come up in this one which caught my attention were that in the 1960s the Japanese were consuming the same amount of sugar in the 1960s as Americans were in the 1860s. That isn't the case today. Another note was that Japanese women in Japan have something like a 2% breast cancer rate yet the rate for Japanese women who live in the states is more like 22%. Really the whole video is enlightening if you are new to the issue of low carb eating verses the typical carb diets most people eat.


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    good thread this...

    I am very astute at what I feed my body. I simply see food as a source of fuel to get me through the day. I do have the odd sugar hit now and then, but most of the time I simply waltz past dunkin doughnuts without a second glance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceburat
    On the Acid Foods side of the list I eat a lot of Fruits and Seeds & nuts. As my wife was reading the list she said to me, "No more cashew nuts for you
    Sorry for asking ceburat, but it was my understanding that fruits and nuts, and especially seeds, were good for you?

    As long as these are the plain, unsalted variety of course

    I think we could all use a little help sometime when it comes to our diets. So just as an example to throw up here I will break down what I ate throughout the day:

    7am: Oats with semi-skimmed milk with a banana for breakfast. A teaspoon of honey for flavouring on top
    10am: two pieces of wholewheat toast with marmalade
    10.15am: cup of tea
    1pm: wholewheat tuna/salad sandwhich and a strawberry yogurt
    4pm: a protein shake
    5:30pm: salmon, broccoli, and new potatoes
    8pm: cup of tea

    This is an average days food intake for me. To be fair, I should of replaced the two pieces of toast with some fruit, but hey, I never said I was perfect.
    Last edited by Bruno; 08-09-2011 at 01:51 AM.

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    ^ I take it you don't agree with anything this thread is about then?

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    Yep. Thread has different ideas going in it. Readers should figure it out. Bruno, you diet looks pretty go from my standpoint. I've never been able to eat that well. I don't think Low Carb is the solution for all. It just seems to work well for some people. Others are perfectly fit on other diets. Whatever you can live with and whatever works for you is my view.

    I do feel that the sugar/fructose that is pumped into everything to make things sweeter is a worldwide problem no matter what diet you are on. It's ruining kids health. There is definitely something wrong these days when so many people are fat and diabetic.



    On the sidelines, somewhere in that Sugar Trap movie they show the amount of sugar in common products in the US at that time. I grew up on this crap and I am shocked that this info didn't get out..

    From the movie...

    Lucky Charms cereal - 54% sugar
    Hershey's Chocolate bar - 51%
    Cherry Flavored Jello - 82%
    Shake and Bake Barbecue mix - 50%

    The most shocking was

    CoffeeMate Non-Dairy Creamer - 65% sugar!


    Just didn't think there was that much in average products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    For the 'casual' health conscious like myself, heres three simple rules that will make a difference-
    1- Eliminate added sugar from your diet, as far as possible. Refined sugar is nothing but an insidious, addictive, low grade poison. If you've got kids, try and keep them from becoming addicted. If you live in Thailand, Lord help ya.
    2- Only one complex carb per meal. That means Rice Or noodles with Asian, spuds Or bread Or pasta with western food. Remember that bloated feeling, after a few pints and all that, off to the local Ali's for a madras, a vindaloo (with spuds), some tandoori- with pilau rice and nan bread, of course. Start it off with an aloo gobi too (spuds). Remember that bloated, slightly bilious feeling feeling afterwards? If your digestive system could speak to you, you sure wouldn't enjoy it.
    3- Veges,veges, veges. As your body weans itself off it's sugar addiction, you will probably find yourself enjoying veg more. I did anyway. There is nothing healthier than raw fresh veges.

    Don't stress out though, trying to follow these rules to the letter. Thats another big killer.
    Sound advice Sabang. You have outlined a pretty good diet to not only lose weight, but it is also pretty good for most of the disease states. I try not to eat any sugar, but sometimes allow myself to indulge.
    Cutting out carbs will also help you loose weight. It is similar to the old Adkin's Diet or the newer South Beach Diet. I have tried them all , but found that keeping my sugar intake low along with few carbs, other than rice, along with eating lots of fruits and veges works the best. Too much time spent on figuring out all these diets is not healthy as you stated and better to see what works for you. Your body is the best barometer for what foods to eat, and I am not talking about junk food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hampsha
    CoffeeMate Non-Dairy Creamer - 65% sugar!
    Quote Originally Posted by Hampsha
    CoffeeMate Non-Dairy Creamer - 65% sugar!
    Bloody hell! those things should come with a health warning with a picture of some poor blokes rotting teeth or massive gut on the side of the packet.

    5 years down the line, somewhere, somehow, all this will have to be addressed at the source (the manufactures) because, as Hampsha pointed out, the amount of diabetics and obese out and what their doing to the health care systems in their respected countries is nothing short of self inflicted suicide...

    I personally can't stand the sight of an obese person. I think they are just a bunch of lazy B******* who need to lace up their shoes and do a few laps once in a while.

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    I only saw this thread for the first time now.

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    The low carb diet is a bit of a misnomer in one respect, because it doesn't get to source. The real thing is to emphasize an alkaline or low acidity diet- which of necessity means 'low carbs' compared to the standard diet. Most of us grew up blaming animal fat for obesity- notice the obsession with low fat meats etc in the west. Actually carbs are much more to blame for this epidemic.
    My view exactly. I would have posted this if you hadn't. there is tons of info on line regarding how damaging sugar is, in its processed forms. It's a serious addiction for many people too and very difficult to get off of if you don't have the education or the willpower to teach yourself.

    Interesting that it's from a Canadian source. I guess the government is getting worried about the free aka tax funded system becoming overrun with cancer patients.

    Every so often, you see things come up in Canada in regards to health. There has always been obesity and overweight in Canada, at least in Ottawa, where I'm from. It used to be that obese and overwight people could get all their health needs for free, thanks to taxpayers.

    Things like walkers and wheelchairs to carry their huge bodies, ramps in their houses, free treatments, medications, surgeries until one day the government figured out that they are depleting the system.

    So the gov't started all these get fit and eat right programs. I really can't say if they've worked, but hopefully there's been some progress. After obesity and overweight, the big disease of the day was diabetes.

    Etc, etc. Cancer is big business and big money for the drug companies. This is unfortunately still the ruler in these situations. I was bashed by kingwilly on TFP's thread about his father having the flesh eating bacteria because I suggested that, along with his medications, he drinks a lot of water, avoids sugar, and uses manuka honey.

    All that KW saw was the manuka honey and he attacked me because it's not something that most doctors would recommend. This is to go along with what Marmite said about eating what nature gives us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    I've been saying it for years (though, not practising it sadly) that the best food for us is dead animal and dead vegetable. Anything that comes from a 'manufacturer' is shit. On a similar note, I was reading about a detox diet and it seemed like a good idea.
    I tend to do a detox about every three months. It's difficult and challenging, but well worth it.

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    Do carbohydrates make you fat?


    Eating too much will lead to weight gain, regardless of what foods you get your energy from. Yet while low carb diets have had much publicity, gram for gram carbohydrates contain less calories than fat, protein and alcohol:
    • 1g carbohydrate contains 3.75 calories.
    • 1g protein contains 4 calories.
    • 1g fat contains 9 calories.
    • 1g alcohol contains 7 calories.
    Sugar and starch are found in both healthy and 'unhealthy' foods, so the type of carbohydrates you eat is important for your wellbeing.
    • Many foods high in sugar (cakes, pastries, chocolate) are also high in fat or prepared with fat (chips, roast potatoes, sandwiches).
    • Starchy foods, such as wholegrain bread, pasta etc, are rich in fibre, which is essential for digestive health and helps control appetite so you don't feel hungry
    the last bit is important, eating those complex carbohydrates is good for you, whilst the simple carbs are just pure energy without any benefit (in our society)
    Last edited by DrAndy; 08-09-2011 at 03:26 PM.

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    Life without pasta? Unimaginable.

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