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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    arteriosclerosis, stiff joints, muscle atrophy and weakness, breathlessness and dicky ticker....................as well as losing your marbles.
    Damn.

    I used to take various drugs in my teens just to get those side effects.

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    Weird innit?

    Gotta remember that when lunging up on some weed, loads of CO2, CO, ash and tar go with the THC to cut down your O2 intake to give that initial rush of getting stoned,......hypoxia, gas will do the same.

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    Have any members gone into Ketosis?

    https://authoritynutrition.com/7-tip...-into-ketosis/

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    Me mate has.

    Sure he lost a lot of weight, but he's suffering for it.

    He was all gung ho for the first 8 or 9 months. Now he's really craving a normal diet and normal life.


    You'd need to be seriously desperate or motivated to stick with it for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    Me mate has.

    Sure he lost a lot of weight, but he's suffering for it.

    He was all gung ho for the first 8 or 9 months. Now he's really craving a normal diet and normal life.


    You'd need to be seriously desperate or motivated to stick with it for life.
    Keto is good for the short term, but unhealthy for the long-term:

    75% fat
    20% protein
    5% carb

    (More of less within a few percentage points for all).

    If you actually have too much protein, this protein will be stored as glucose.

    Keto is a great short term, not good at all for the medium-long term.

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    Trouble seems to be that when done in the short term, you'll lose the weight, then get back to the carbs and end up binging on them as your body is craving them, then bingo. Heavier than before.

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    Eating 2 meals a day of oats grains nuts with yoghurt milk, cheese, fruit or fish gives me 45% carbs, 25% protein 30% fat average intake which is ideal for me.
    Snack on fruits.

    Along with a minimum average of half hour or so exercise per day plus 2 days of 4hrs training each a week, I'm in really good health.

    No muscle loss to speak of, little fat (except around the midriff, but still at a height to waist ratio of 2:1, joints and tendons supple, due to a high gelatin/collagen (has 80% protein) intake, no arthritis, diabetes, arteriosclerosis and so on.

    Better to tend towards a low carb diet with a good protein to fat ratio plus exercise.

    I love my vitamins and minerals.

    No meds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
    Have any members gone into Ketosis?

    https://authoritynutrition.com/7-tip...-into-ketosis/
    Yes me, now in my 4th week ,I have the Adkins book and follow it strictly with less than 20 grams carb daily ,its boring, but all diets involve pain whatever the books say, you know its working by using test strips for your pee which shows up the Ketones ,also your breath stinks worse than a dog .On the plus side its good for my liver as no alcohol is allowed ,I shall do it for a total of 4/5 weeks and then go back to normal eating but will be more conscious of unnecessary carbs
    I am not seriously overweight just about 10 kgs and progress so far as follows

    Week 1 2.9 kilos --the books suggest about 1 kilo of this is water in the first week
    Week 2 ---1.6 kg Week 3-- 1.8 kg ,total so far 6.3 kgs in 3 weeks

    This is not a lifestyle choice for me but a quick reset of my weight ,after perhaps 12/18 months need to look again .Its not for everyone but if you can really stick to it and that means no cheating at all, then it works and the weight comes off really quickly, if the research is to be believed it is fat and not muscle that you are losing.
    It has worked for me over 10 years so have done it 4 or 5 times --by the way exercise is a given, got to have some
    Just off to make some Braised Steak and onion --with some gravy made with the onions and some mustard it wont be so bad --couple of ounces of blue cheese to follow but no biscuits

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    I'm on a low carb low calorie diet, borderline ketosis I'd call it.

    Exploring more ways of getting energy from intra-cellular processes, ATP, adenosine-tri-phosphate. along with water and a balance of minerals being the key molecule that is used and recycled back after energy's released, during any of the body's processes.

    Insufficient ATP leaves you low and un-motivated, as it acts as a co-enzyme, and a catalyst for vitamins found in food and produced in the gut, helping break down sugars, fats and proteins, rebuilding and repairing body tissues, and in the cell itself, repairing one's DNA, including the battered and warped old telomeres, resulting in repaired nerve damage, optimal metabolism and overall good health, so slowing down the ageing process, and diminishing that processes' symptoms, which include cancer, circulatory probs, mal;functioning or defunct glands, etc etc etc as I've pointed out earlier.

    My earlier experiments in generating ATP in vitrio involved testing my brews out on myself, ingesting sufficient quantities of vitamins, minerals, herbs, bacteria to top up the brew's potential. I did this until back in 2014, I got a brew going that was a definite plus, a real aqua vita of the first order, which I'd take daily with fresh fruits and vegetables and dairy products and other proteins.

    The result was my replacing around 5kg of fat with 5kg of lean muscle in 5 months, a regulated program supervised by doctors and regular blood tests to make sure my liver and kidneys didn't clap out.

    Exercise and lots of water, no smoking was strictly stuck to.

    Now, I think I've perfected the process of increased manufacture of that "god molecule" in my body, helped on by doses of my brew which is chocker full of living cells and enzymes, mineral, vitamins proteins and a balancing amount of carbs which I'm still tweaking to get right, ...so far so good.

    Needless to say no drugs or "bad" alcohol is involved, but the brew does contain some in its manufactured state, but isn't necessary as a vehicle/carrier as the lot can be dehydrated and the resultant sludge mixed with any flavour or food for ingestion, There;s no known overdose of the stuff so far.

    Result today is smooth, high energy levels, increased speed and clarity of thought, to the point that I don't need a calculator for simple maths, nor a pencil and paper except to note lists of answers for further evaluation.

    Add lots of good clean water, various 'teas', some daily exercise to keep toned and supple coupled with some strenuous workouts at training twice a week.

    I really don't need sex, drugs and r'n'roll any more, do enjoy some from time to time, and find myself feeling extraordinarily happy for no obvious reason other than feeling really well.

    Sleep longer hours at night, minimum 6 or so, sometimes up to 8 without waking up until dawn, unless I'm up and about at night busy doing something.

    Don't watch TV, porn, movies or read novels, life's too full of reality, which really can be stranger than fiction, so got to keep wits sharp.

    I go through autolysis, in some form constantly, my body digesting and recycling fats and proteins, rebuilding muscle bulk in waves, no added creatine or steroids, just my food and water.

    No insulin, sugar, cholesterol, BP, organ or bowel problems at all. Eyesight's not got any worse than needing reading glasses sometime, only, which is puzzling.

    I now have and remember wonderful dreams, stuff to ponder and think about in reflection, something I hadn't had as an increasing ly constant experience since I was half my age.

    I'll still tuck into a steak and gravy with baked veges, and mustard, and so on, once in a while, really enjoy it....I can afford to.

    That's what ketosis has done for me.

    Keep at it Donald36, you won't regret it, it can only get better.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    along with water and a balance of minerals being the key molecule that is used and recycled back after energy's released, during any of the body's processes.
    Funny that...you've been recycling minerals and water...without your posts lately seeming like those of a renowned forum nutter in any way whatsoever.

    No lapses in logic. No tedious belligerence. Remarkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    cheese
    really?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Weird innit?

    Gotta remember that when lunging up on some weed, loads of CO2, CO, ash and tar go with the THC to cut down your O2 intake to give that initial rush of getting stoned,......hypoxia, gas will do the same.
    What if you bake it and eat it? Chop it up and put in salad?

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    Bloody good idea, or simmer it gently in butter then add morning glory and mushrooms beaten up with eggs fried into an omelette or quickly scrambled for a lovely mellow start to a lazy weekend or evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo View Post
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    cheese
    really?!
    Yup.

    I got a whole rant together on that point, and some issues relating to cholesterol.

    Here goes;

    Cheese is a powerhouse of fats and proteins, as are all dairy products.

    There's been a load of misinformation in the popular media claiming that dairy products, fatty meat and eggs are bad for you because of their potential cholesterol content.

    The thing is, though, the digestive process breaks all that fat and oil and converts it in the liver to glycols, then into carbohydrates then into sugars which get oxidised into Co2 through work/exercise and other bodily metabolic processes then eliminated, the excess sugars re-convert into cholesterol and stored as fat for later use when food is in short supply.

    Too much stored will raise your LDL and triglyceride levels, combining with unassimilated calcium ending up furring up your arteries, restricting blood flow thus putting unnecessary pressure on the heart and circulatory system with all the well known consequences.




    That great power pump (one of three in the human body, legs being the other two) has before then also undergone calcification, and woop-de-do, a stiffened up weak heart unable to cope with the pressure, its arteries clogged, potentially resulting in a coronary thrombosis, a heart attack.

    Bits of that calcified grease in the arteries break off, circulating through the blood stream until they reach the smaller capillaries at the extremities, feet, fingers and brain, causing blockages which will numb your fingers and toes and build up back pressure felt as aching legs and blocked, varicose veins, and setting the condition for deep tissue thrombosis, exacerbated by pressure under the thighs, usually, cutting off circulation causing blood to pool up, thicken and clot.

    In the brain, the pressure in the tiny clogged capillaries is experienced as headaches and wooziness, then potentially forming an embolism which can burst through over-exertion, even just standing up, a stroke.

    That's why excessive amounts of fatty foods combined with carbs and sugars is a death trap. Moderation in all things is key to a healthy diet, combined with regular daily exercise, as sitting down all day and you'll die, stand up and move around and you'll live. Just take baby steps to start with if you've been more sedentary for a while or your heart will start racing, you'll be out of breath and feel knackered even climbing up a set of stairs. Being overweight anyway and having a high BP compounds the issue, as does diabetes as energy levels are 'way ta fwk so the poor old heart won't be able to cope keeping the circulatory system going, so organ failure, usually kidneys first.

    A well balanced calcium to magnesium and sodium to potassium balance is essential to keeping electrical activity of the body right, or the heart will develop arrhythmia, while kidneys will overload with calcite and urea and clap out with kidney stones.

    So a balance of calcium from dairy with magnesium from veges etc is not a bad thing, but you need as much magnesium as calcium, IMO.


    Dairy has also been condemned because it contain inorganic agri-chemicals, hormones and antibiotics.

    True enough, but the claimants fail to mention how the body and other processes destroy and eliminate that shite long before the stuff's absorbed from the gut. Antibiotics and hormones from dairy and commercially raised stock break down in cooking, then digestion, then in the liver and passed out via the kidneys as ineffective. The inorganic agri chemicals contained in almost all foods can only be purged out of the body with copious amounts of water and 'lock on' elements such as selenium, iodine and calcium etc.

    Enough anti-oxidants such Vit A, C and E, selenium and other minerals and herbs are necessary to rid your body of harmfull agri-chems and heavy metals. Chew pine barks, (various) brilliant anti-oxidants and organic catalyst aiding in boosting ATP levels and function.

    Stay clean the fwk away from fluorides, in any form, the poison's in all available foods, so go seriously organic or risk turning into stone, the shite will fossilize you alive, fact.



    Gotta keep the body's electrical activity right too, or the heart won't tick along at a steady rate either, arrhythmia, another potential cause of heart and circulatory problems, so get your sodium/potassium balance right.

    Get into the firm habit of breathing only through your nose, it filters the air and allows bacteria in the mouth, nose and throat to produce nitric oxide which is another heart electrics regulator, keeps arrhythmia in check, and also regulates Co2 to O2 exchange rate in the lungs
    Lobelia dilates the airways and blood capillaries around the micro-tubules of the lungs, aiding nitric oxide to get the lungs functioning to the optimum. Sage (salvia) works well with lobelia, causing expectoration of mucus and crap clogging the lungs.


    PS.

    Had a BP check earlier this evening.
    BP = 115/65
    Pulse = 60

    Not bad for a 71 yr young man eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Had a BP check earlier this evening.
    BP = 115/65
    Pulse = 60

    Not bad for a 71 yr young man eh?
    Yep, not bad. My BP is about the same (115/170) but my pulse at rest is usually below 50 (48 as I post this).

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    That's what you get for adjusting your lifestyle and diet and leaping around all day, innit?

    During training, pulse rate drops nicely at rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    cheese
    really?!

    Get into the firm habit of breathing only through your nose, it filters the air and allows bacteria in the mouth, nose and throat to produce nitric oxide which is another heart electrics regulator, keeps arrhythmia in check, and also regulates Co2 to O2 exchange rate in the lungs
    Lobelia dilates the airways and blood capillaries around the micro-tubules of the lungs, aiding nitric oxide to get the lungs functioning to the optimum. Sage (salvia) works well with lobelia, causing expectoration of mucus and crap clogging the lungs.


    PS.

    Had a BP check earlier this evening.
    BP = 115/65
    Pulse = 60

    Not bad for a 71 yr young man eh?
    Careful, you're giving me a stiffy.

    Give us a weekly diet schedule, and I'll give you 50p

    I am curious to see what you think is a good array of things to eat. I've got my own list... with like walnuts and basil and salmon salads, and venison with asparagus wisps, but I keep fucking it up by downing a whole bottle of malt whisky, a bottle and a half of wine, and a 6-pack - it just happens.

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    We now know this, but it highlights how wrong the doctors and govt regulated "health recommendations" have been.

    New Study Favors Fat Over Carbs

    By NICHOLAS BAKALARSEPT. 8, 2017
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    High carbohydrate intake is associated with a higher risk of mortality, and high fat intake with a lower risk, researchers report.

    An international team of scientists studied diet and mortality in 135,335 people between 35 and 70 years old in 18 countries, following them for an average of more than seven years. Diet information depended on self-reports, and the scientists controlled for factors including age, sex, smoking, physical activity and body mass index. The study is in The Lancet.


    Compared with people who ate the lowest 20 percent of carbohydrates, those who ate the highest 20 percent had a 28 percent increased risk of death. But high carbohydrate intake was not associated with cardiovascular death.
    People with the highest 20 percent in total fat intake — an average of 35.3 percent of calories from fat — had about a 23 percent reduced risk of death compared with the lowest 20 percent (an average of 10.6 percent of calories from fat). Consuming higher saturated fat, polyunsaturated fat and monounsaturated fat were all associated with lower mortality. Higher fat diets were also associated with a lower risk of stroke.




    “Guidelines recommend low saturated fat, and some recommend really low amounts,” said a co-author, Andrew Mente, an epidemiologist at McMaster University in Ontario. “Our study, which captures intake at the lowest levels, shows that this may be harmful.”


    Current federal guidelines recommend a diet that provides no more than 35 percent of calories from fat.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/w...ver-carbs.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grampa
    studied diet and mortality in 135,335 people between 35 and 70 years old in 18 countries, following them for an average of more than seven years.
    That's quite a compelling study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grampa View Post
    We now know this, but it highlights how wrong the doctors and govt regulated "health recommendations" have been.

    New Study Favors Fat Over Carbs

    By NICHOLAS BAKALARSEPT. 8, 2017
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    High carbohydrate intake is associated with a higher risk of mortality, and high fat intake with a lower risk, researchers report.

    An international team of scientists studied diet and mortality in 135,335 people between 35 and 70 years old in 18 countries, following them for an average of more than seven years. Diet information depended on self-reports, and the scientists controlled for factors including age, sex, smoking, physical activity and body mass index. The study is in The Lancet.


    Compared with people who ate the lowest 20 percent of carbohydrates, those who ate the highest 20 percent had a 28 percent increased risk of death. But high carbohydrate intake was not associated with cardiovascular death.
    People with the highest 20 percent in total fat intake — an average of 35.3 percent of calories from fat — had about a 23 percent reduced risk of death compared with the lowest 20 percent (an average of 10.6 percent of calories from fat). Consuming higher saturated fat, polyunsaturated fat and monounsaturated fat were all associated with lower mortality. Higher fat diets were also associated with a lower risk of stroke.




    “Guidelines recommend low saturated fat, and some recommend really low amounts,” said a co-author, Andrew Mente, an epidemiologist at McMaster University in Ontario. “Our study, which captures intake at the lowest levels, shows that this may be harmful.”


    Current federal guidelines recommend a diet that provides no more than 35 percent of calories from fat.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/w...ver-carbs.html

    One would have to read the fulll report to get the whole picture (can you access that Cold Pizza/Barbaro?). From the summary in the Lancet, the NY Times headline is misleading.

    This quote provided by Reuters from one of the authors of the study gives a clearer picture.

    “What we are suggesting is moderation as opposed to very low and very high intakes of fats and carbohydrates,” said Mahshid Dehghan from McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.

    When the researchers separated people into five groups based on carbohydrate consumption, they found that people who ate the most carbohydrates were 28 percent more likely to die from any cause during the study than those who ate the least.

    When people were divided into five groups based on how much fat they consumed, those who consumed the most fat - of any kind - were about 23 percent less likely to die during the study than those who ate the least. The findings were consistent no matter what type of fat was consumed.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN1B92PN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    One would have to read the fulll report to get the whole picture (can you access that Cold Pizza/Barbaro?).
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    When people were divided into five groups based on how much fat they consumed, those who consumed the most fat - of any kind - were about 23 percent less likely to die during the study than those who ate the least. The findings were consistent no matter what type of fat was consumed.
    That's quite funny when generally known that fats contribute to a higher value of the bad cholesterol (LDL), hence, an increase of heart attack risk (just reminded by doctor at my recent check-up).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    When people were divided into five groups based on how much fat they consumed, those who consumed the most fat - of any kind - were about 23 percent less likely to die during the study than those who ate the least. The findings were consistent no matter what type of fat was consumed.
    That's quite funny when generally known that fats contribute to a higher value of the bad cholesterol (LDL), hence, an increase of heart attack risk (just reminded by doctor at my recent check-up).
    1. it depends on what kind of fat (Monos are good) and equally important is,

    2. not having these fats with any simple carbs.

    The bloods numbers actually improve.

    One of the best, backed up with ample data, and he lost 150 lbs. His blood numbers improved.


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    I have been low carb for just over a month. I have to say that is true i got leaner, even though i actually had extra fat to loose. But i train mrtial arts, and it felt like when it comes to workout, explosiveness, power, nothing beats a nice carb fueled muscles.

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