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    ^ He's an expert on anything and everything, isn't he?

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    possible, though not on diets...

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    How would you know, considering all your statements are questionable and unsupported.

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    A blogger's site with some videos on health of the body and mind. It also includes a short story on the blogger himself who lost a load on Paleo dieting.

    Paleo Man






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    This makes sense. Paleos were thin and ripped.

    They also died around their late 20s.

    :-)

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    I never had a problem with health, weight or energy. Until I came to Thailand and my diet had to change.

    Not being interested in myself but preferring to explore what's 'out there', I just went with what I enjoyed. That was mostly fatty red meat, full cream dairy, some white bread (not much) and a bit of spuds or, once in a while, rice. Veggies rarely. Fruit even rarer. Pies, btw, are made with meat.

    Lots and lots of coffee.

    I watched the explosion of 'the next thing that's bad for you, buy our low-fat processed crap' with irritation. Never converted to any of it, it tastes like shit. Add to that my belief that education doesn't equal intelligence, my suspicion that 'studies' were rigged to support corp sales and my knowledge that my body will tell me if I'm fucking up.

    Fortunately I have little respect for 90% of scientists and medical clowns' intelligence. This has been borne out by too many years experience.

    Maybe it's the carbs. Maybe that's why everybody seems so fuckin dumb these days.



    Anyways. My daughter has serious health and weight problems and I need opinions of people who have scratched around in the dietary/health world for awhile before I advise her to drop all the low-fat healthy poisons she's been sold on by these low-lifes out to make a buck.


    Before I came across this HFLC stuff I've always said if we want to eat correctly it's pretty simple; look at what your body has evolved with. Before agriculture.


    What do you think of this character. At least what he has is experience on his side? He's not a 20/30's something snot-nosed wannabe.

    Unfortunately it's a long vid. Watch or not, I'd still appreciate your opinion.

    There seems to be some movement in this direction, but movements gave us carbs, real brain food



    Dr. Miller is professor of surgery, cardiothoracic division, Univ. Washington.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree
    Anyways. My daughter has serious health and weight problems and I need opinions of people who have scratched around in the dietary/health world for awhile before I advise her to drop all the low-fat healthy poisons she's been sold on by these low-lifes out to make a buck. Before I came across this HFLC stuff I've always said if we want to eat correctly it's pretty simple; look at what your body has evolved with. Before agriculture.
    that guy is just another lowlife out to make a buck, don't be fooled by the suit

    and yes, don't buy special low fat products as half of them are rubbish

    just eat good fresh food, lots of fresh veggies, fruits, good quality rice (brown is best), good bread, fresh fish, meat on occasion

    as you said, our body was designed a long time before we became civilised, so we are omnivorous, but meat was not an everyday thing

    if overweight, try to eat less fat and cut right down on sugars, esp processed ones
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    but meat was not an everyday thing

    if overweight, try to eat less fat

    that guy is just another lowlife out to make a buck, don't be fooled by the suit
    "Dr. Miller is professor of surgery, cardiothoracic division, Univ. Washington."

    Perhaps. But then, his reasoning sounds more thoughtful, not just mere regurgitation of conventional 'wisdom'.

    Good point about not being an everyday thing. However, when available it would have been eat all you can as quick as possible. Fat I disagree with, including the whole cholesterol issue. Veggies are irrelevant IMHO. Mostly available since agriculture.

    I have not ever been following any of this debate though I am aware of most of it in broad terms. But the last few days I've come across what seems to be a turnaround on the whole fat/cholesterol/arteries/heart issue. From various quarters, respected by the community, if not by me....

    I must say though, that intuitively the statements people make about fat 'clogging up your arteries' makes me grin. Carb brains?
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    From what I gather on a quick search the whole saturated fats dogma is rooted in a Keys study, followed by US Congress making their usual sage decisions based on it, followed by an obesity explosion.

    Problem is, Keys appears to have dropped all but 6 countries out of data collected from 22 countries to reach his conclusion. If so, he's a low-life.







    And thus started the fat-is-bad ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree
    Anyways. My daughter has serious health and weight problems and I need opinions of people who have scratched around in the dietary/health world for awhile before I advise her to drop all the low-fat healthy poisons she's been sold on by these low-lifes out to make a buck.
    How old is your daughter? You mentioned low fat and cholesterol. I'll tackle one thing at a time and add others. One thing that I have cut down on a lot is gluten, mainly wheat and rye products. If you or she live in Thailand, this is easy to do. May people can't process gluten, and gluten is a modern day ingredient. In the old days, bread was whole grain, but with all the processing now, it's a completely different entity.

    Low fat foods are another bone of contention. If fat is removed from a food, it needs to be replaced with something else to give the product flavour and to make it satisfying. I'll use yogurt as an example. When the fat is removed or reduced, it is usually replaced with sugar or other sweeteners. Your body needs fat for energy and to feel satisfied.

    High fructose corn syrup and artificial sweeteners are a huge danger to us too and they actually make you gain fat because they turn off the receptors in the liver that say we are satisfied. Avoid them like the plague.

    If your daughter likes chocolate (what girl or woman doesn't?), get her to switch to dark chocolate. Yes, it still has sugar, but it has less of it and it has lots of antioxidants.

    You mentioned cholesterol. I saw an episode of Dr. Oz last week where he had two guests on his show proving that the opposite is true. Here's the link:

    The other info can be found on line too. I hope this helps.

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    Thanks Natalie, but she's been on that type of bandwagon for many years. Nothing helps.

    What I'm specifically interested in is if anyone has done more research than the precious little I've done on the subject of high fat low carb diet, and what seems to be now being accepted by many that cholesterol is not the problem in heart disease.

    She has been living in a low fat 'healthy' diet environment for many years, as her stepfather has had a few bypasses, all which helped zilch. He passed away a couple of months ago from heart failure.

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    Oh! I knew I was forgetting something. Has she been tested for food allergies or intolerances? That could have a big impact.

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    She's been tested for everything including whether she's swallowed the kitchen sink.

    She's constantly ill, no energy, muscle pains, you name it she's got it.

    mid twenties.


    My personal opinion is her environment. The health-focused, can't eat anything semi paranoic environment.

    And lack of fat.

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    A link to a transcript of the vid if anyone's interested to scan through it.

    Enjoy Saturated Fats, They’re Good for You! by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

    Dr. Miller is professor of surgery, cardiothoracic division, Univ. Washington.


    I'm not trying to spam the thread, I'm just hoping for some info before I mess my daughters life up more than it already is.
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    There's a wealth of information on low carb diets:
    Wheat Belly by William Davis MD is arguably the most extreme, then you move through the Paleo (Caveman) movement, Primal, see Mark Sissons and his web site Marks Daily Apple, to the more mainstream Atkins diet.

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    This is a link to some RSS feeds that you can wade through and select the ones you like: Google Reader - "Health" via colin

    This one might be a better format if you use google reader:
    http://www.google.com/reader/public/...8/label/Health

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree
    I must say though, that intuitively the statements people make about fat 'clogging up your arteries' makes me grin. Carb brains?
    I don't think anybody has claimed it is fat that clogs peoples' arteries

    Arterial plaque blocks them and the strategy is to avoid the build up of that plaque


    Plaque that accumulates on the inner walls of your arteries is made from various substances that circulate in your blood. These include calcium, fat, cholesterol, cellular waste, and fibrin, a material involved in blood clotting. In response to plaque buildup, cells in your artery walls multiply and secrete additional substances that can worsen the state of clogged arteries.
    As plaque deposits grow, a condition called atherosclerosis results. This condition causes the arteries to narrow and harden.
    Although experts don’t know for sure what starts atherosclerosis, the process seems to stem from damage to the arterial wall.

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    The problem with all this diet stuff is that anybody can use Google to find some information/person/figure-head/talking-head that's going to say something that agrees with what they already thought.

    Food is fuel for your body, that's it. Put in clean fuel and it functions more efficiently, don't and it won't. It's not rocket science. Pretty simple really.

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    Water is the best thing since sliced bread, according to this:

    It is popular in Japan today to drink water immediately after waking up every morning. Furthermore, scientific tests have proven its value. We publish below a description of use of water for our readers. For old and serious diseases as well as modern illnesses the water treatment had been found successful by a Japanese medical society as a 100% cure for the following diseases:

    Headache, body ache, heart system, arthritis, fast heart beat, epilepsy, excess fatness, bronchitis asthma, TB, meningitis, kidney and urine diseases, vomiting, gastritis, diarrhea, piles, diabetes, constipation, all eye diseases, womb, cancer and menstrual disorders, ear nose and throat diseases.

    METHOD OF TREATMENT
    1. As you wake up in the morning before brushing teeth, drink 4 x 160ml glasses of water

    2. Brush and clean the mouth but do not eat or drink anything for 45 minute

    3.. After 45 minutes you may eat and drink as normal.

    4. After 15 minutes of breakfast, lunch and dinner do not eat or drink anything for 2 hours

    5. Those who are old or sick and are unable to drink 4 glasses of water at the beginning may commence by taking little water and gradually increase it to 4 glasses per day.

    6. The above method of treatment will cure diseases of the sick and others can enjoy a healthy life.

    The following list gives the number of days of treatment required to cure/control/reduce main diseases:
    1. High Blood Pressure (30 days)
    2. Gastric (10 days)
    3. Diabetes (30 days)
    4. Constipation (10 days)
    5. Cancer (180 days)
    6. TB (90 days)
    7. Arthritis patients should follow the above treatment only for 3 days in the 1st week, and from 2nd week onwards – daily..

    This treatment method has no side effects, however at the commencement of treatment you may have to urinate a few times.
    It is better if we continue this and make this procedure as a routine work in our life. Drink Water and Stay healthy and Active.

    This makes sense .. The Chinese and Japanese drink hot tea with their meals not cold water. Maybe it is time we adopt their drinking habit while eating!!! Nothing to lose, everything to gain...

    For those who like to drink cold water, this article is applicable to you.
    It is nice to have a cup of cold drink after a meal. However, the cold water will solidify the oily stuff that you have just consumed. It will slow down the digestion.

    Once this 'sludge' reacts with the acid, it will break down and be absorbed by the intestine faster than the solid food. It will line the intestine.
    Very soon, this will turn into fats and lead to cancer. It is best to drink hot soup or warm water after a meal.

    A serious note about heart attacks:

    · Women should know that not every heart attack symptom is going to be the left arm hurting,
    · Be aware of intense pain in the jaw line.
    · You may never have the first chest pain during the course of a heart attack.
    · Nausea and intense sweating are also common symptoms.
    · 60% of people who have a heart attack while they are asleep do not wake up.
    · Pain in the jaw can wake you from a sound sleep. Let's be careful and be aware. The more we know, the better chance we could survive...
    A cardiologist says if everyone who gets this mail sends it to everyone they know, you can be sure that we'll save at least one life.
    Please be a true friend and send this article to all your friends you care about.

    PLEASE DON'T IGNORE SHARE IT. THIS MIGHT SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE.

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    And every body wonders why I keep saying education cannot instill intelligence. We truly have a carb brained population now.




    Risks: More Red Meat, More Mortality
    By NICHOLAS BAKALAR
    Published: March 12, 2012


    The analysis, published online Monday in Archives of Internal Medicine, used data from two studies that involved 121,342 men and women who filled out questionnaires about health and diet from 1980 through 2006. There were 23,926 deaths in the group, including 5,910 from cardiovascular disease and 9,464 from cancer.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/he...f=general&_r=0



    Harvard, nogal.

    Which of course immediately prompts our respected medical clowns to post such trash as this.




    Now as in the Keys 'research' that fucked everything up for more than 50 years, it is patent bullshit, Harvard or not.

    Associations drawn willy-nilly to support pre-conceived notions.


    This says it best.

    'Study' analysed.

    Red meat & mortality & the usual bad science
    Written by Zoë on March 13, 2012 - 110 Comments
    Categories: Media comments, Research

    Red meat & mortality & the usual bad science


    And some truth.



    Science, Pseudoscience, Nutritional Epidemiology, and Meat


    But for many years to come all and sundry will be refering to the Harvard 'study'.
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    I hope the OP's daughter can find out the cause(s) of her condition.

    As for the low carb w/ high fat diet being good or bad, and saturated fat etc.,

    We still see constant studies, doctors, and medical researchers that disagree.

    It seems the jury is still out.

    I still find this topic very interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    1. As you wake up in the morning before brushing teeth, drink 4 x 160ml glasses of water
    Dr. Andy, can you show me the link/source for this?

    I am not challenging you, just curious.

    Also, I usually drink at least 1.5 liters after waking up (slowly but steadily) over the course of 30 minutes, and I drink 5 liters of water per day.
    ............

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    Here's a bit from the Wheatbelly doctor, William Davis.




    Not really 100% low carb. The Gabriel Method leads to healthier eating which seems more low carb. It's not a diet but more about self-awareness and positiive thinking. Some of it might be a bit spiritual but for some of us that might be what is needed. If you do give it a chance, you'll probably find some value in it. It seems to be really connected with Aussies although the creator is an American.


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    Something from March. Two doctors with two different views on nutrition debate.


    UAB - Atkins Diet vs. China Study

    In this corner, the author of “The China Study,” a bestselling book on nutrition which touts a plant-based, high carbohydrate/low protein diet for overall health and cancer prevention. In the other corner, co-author of “New Atkins for a New You,” an updated version of the high fat/low carb Atkins diet. The two square off at a public debate on the campus of the University of Alabama at Birmingham (UAB) on Wednesday, March 27, 2013.

    T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D., wrote “The China Study” in 2005. A professor emeritus at Cornell University, Campbell was the director of the China-Oxford-Cornell study on diet and disease in the 1980s. The book chronicles his findings about diet and health from his career in basic science. While not calling himself a vegetarian or vegan, Campbell supports a whole-food, plant-based, low protein/low fat diet.
    Eric Westman, M.D., has conducted clinical trials regarding the Atkins diet, made famous by Robert Atkins in 1972. The Atkins diet, sometimes called the antithesis of the China Study, suggests that lower consumption of carbohydrate and higher consumption of fat leads to better cardiovascular health. Westman is a physician specializing in obesity medicine and associate professor of internal medicine at Duke University.


    The public debate between Campbell and Westman, “High vs. Low Carbohydrate Diets for Cancer Control and Overall Health,”will take place from 5-6:30 p.m. March 27 at the UAB Alumni House, 1001 13th Street South. It is presented by the UAB Center for Palliative and Supportive Care and the UAB Comprehensive Cancer Center. The event is made possible through a gift by Deane Corliss and the Corliss family. Corliss was a member of the UAB Center for Palliative Care Community Advisory Board. “This public forum is an outstanding way to mark March as National Nutrition Month in an educational and engaging way,” said Wendy Demark-Wahnefried, Ph.D., R.D., a professor in the UAB Department of Nutrition Sciences andassociate director for cancer prevention and control in the UAB Comprehensive Cancer Center. “Drs. Campbell and Westman are two of the leading figures in the country in the study of diet, nutrition and health.”

    Campbell has worked as a senior science adviser to the American Institute for Cancer Research and sits on the advisory board of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. He is known in particular for research, derived in part from the China Project, which appears to link the consumption of animal protein with the development of cancer and heart disease.


    “Eating a whole-food plant-based diet has become an urgent matter from several perspectives,” said Campbell. “Not only will it improve your health – and the evidence behind this claim is now overwhelming – but it will also dramatically reduce health care costs, as well as reduce violence to our environment and to other sentient beings.”

    Westman is the director of the Duke Lifestyle Medicine Clinic, an associate editor for the journal Nutrition & Metabolism and president-elect of the American Society of Bariatric Physicians. He was commissioned to write “The New Atkins for a New You” with Stephen Phinney and Jeff Volek by Atkins Nutritionals.

    “The science behind Atkins-like diets is strong, and I use the Atkins diet in my clinical practice,” said Westman. “The Atkins diet has always been about choosing good sources of carbs, protein and fat. Atkins is healthy eating. I think the public perception is that it is nothing but beef and bacon, but there are a lot of different protein sources – seafood, chicken, eggs, cream and cheese. And it includes vegetables – it is low-carb, not no-carb.”

    “We are looking forward to a stimulating discussion,” said Elizabeth Kvale, M.D., associate professor in the Division of Gerontology, Geriatrics and Palliative Care and a scientist in the UAB Comprehensive Cancer Center. “Each speaker will present their views, with time for rebuttal and questions from the audience.”
    Campbell will also present Department of Medicine Medical Grand Rounds at noon on March 27 at Margaret Cameron Spain Auditorium.



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    Lower your blood pressure with low carbohydrate diet

    An article on the benefits Low carb dieting. It appears LC offers to lower blood pressure. The article is from a few years back but it might be interesting to those who suffer high blood pressure.

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    Low-Carb Diet Lowers Blood Pressure

    By Jennifer Warner
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    Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

    Jan. 25, 2010 -- A low-carbohydrate diet may have health benefits that go beyond weight loss.

    A new study shows that a low-carbohydrate diet was equally good as the weight loss drug orlistat (the active
    ingredient in Alli and Xenical) at helping overweight and obese people lose weight, but people who followed the
    low-carb diet also experienced a healthy drop in their blood pressure levels.

    "I expected the weight loss to be considerable with both therapies but we were surprised to see blood pressure
    improve so much more with the low-carbohydrate diet than with orlistat," researcher William S. Yancy, Jr., MD,
    an associate professor of medicine at Duke University Medical Center, says in a news release. "If people have
    high blood pressure and a weight problem, a low-carbohydrate diet might be a better option than a weight loss
    medication."

    Researchers say studies have already shown that the two weight loss methods are effective at promoting weight
    loss, but it's the first time the health effects of each have been
    compared head to head.

    "It's important to know you can try a diet instead of medication and get the same weight loss results with fewer
    costs and potentially fewer side effects," Yancy says.

    Low-Carb Lowers Blood Pressure

    In the study, published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, 146 obese or overweight adults were randomly
    divided into two groups. Many of the participants also had chronic health problems, such as high blood pressure
    or diabetes.

    The first group was advised to follow a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet consisting of less than 20 grams of
    carbohydrates per day, and the second group received the weight loss drug orlistat three times a day, plus
    counseling in following a low-fat diet (less than 30% of daily calories from fat) at group meetings over 48 weeks.

    The results showed weight loss was similar in the two groups. The low-carb diet group lost an average of 9.5%
    of their body weight and the orlistat group lost an average of 8.5%. Both weight loss methods were also not
    significantly different at improving cholesterol and glucose levels.

    But when researchers looked at changes in blood pressure, they found nearly half of those who followed the
    low-carbohydrate group had their blood pressure medication decreased or discontinued during the study,
    compared to only 21% of those in the orlistat group.

    Overall, systolic (the top number in a blood pressure reading) dropped an average of 5.9 points among the
    low-carb diet group, compared with an increase of 1.5 points in the orlistat group.

    Researchers say weight loss itself typically produces a healthy reduction in blood pressure, but it appears that
    a low-carbohydrate diet has an additional blood pressure-lowering effect that merits further study.


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    Looks like Gary Taubes initiative is going to get some funding from a wealthy hedge fund manager who is retiring and wants to give away billions. Might help sort out the low fat - low carb controversy in the coming years? Who knows. Well, here's the Wall Street Journal's story...

    The New Science Behind Philanthropy | WSJ.Money Summer 2013 - WSJ.com


    Same story through Yahoo...

    The New Science of Giving - Yahoo! Finance


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    The Taubes organization...

    NuSI

    The Nutrition Science Initiative — NuSI (pronounced “new see”) is a non-profit organization, technically a 501(c)(3). Its purpose is to facilitate and fund rigorous, well-controlled experiments targeted at resolving unambiguously many of the outstanding nutrition controversies — to answer the question definitively of what constitutes a healthy diet.


    NuSI is unencumbered by bureaucracy or by an obligation to do anything other than find the truth. We can move quickly and efficiently to execute a novel plan: harness the talents of the best scientists in the field and channel their skills into one concerted effort to generate reliable knowledge, once and for all, on the nature of a healthy diet. The time is now.

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