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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed View Post
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    The spikes of high blood pressure I had occasionally despite medication have almost completely gone.
    everyone gets those, quite normal

    it is having a consistently high blood pressure that leads to problems

    erm, maybe not: BBC News - Blood pressure fluctuations 'warning sign for stroke'

    oh dear, that seems to be a new version of events

    It is not know exactly why occasional spikes would increase a person's risk of stroke but it is thought it puts undue stress on the system.
    I am doomed then, see you all in heaven (?)

    It does not say what the incease in risk is but I suppose it must be significant statistically
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    I have a good friend that is a doctor in Denmark. He claims drinking 2 liters of water will eliminate high blood pressure. I do and no problems now, but it used to be high several years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitown View Post
    I have a good friend that is a doctor in Denmark. He claims drinking 2 liters of water will eliminate high blood pressure. I do and no problems now, but it used to be high several years ago.
    Interesting, I've not come across that one before. I suppose it's too much to hope for that beer counts, I'd be quids in.

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    blood pressure

    thats interesting i never used to drink much water till after i got the t-shirt my bp. is fine but i take bp.tabs.every day,looking back i did suffer with a lot of stress at work.

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    i try to eat some oats and porridge every day

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    I am sure you will find many diets online for high blood pressure, but the bottom line is a low sodium diet. Sodium forces the body to retain fluid and the more fluid the body retains, the higher the blood pressure goes. It is pretty much hemodynamics. Most blood pressure medications act on blood vessels to make sure they relax and therefore have a larger diameter. If you constrict the blood vessels, the blood pressure goes up. If you take a diuretic like Hydrochlorothiazide, fluid in pushed out of the body via the kidneys which will also decrease blood pressure.
    Oats or fiber are a good idea since they do lower cholesterol, but that is all discussed on another thread. Bottom line is to decrease sodium, don't stress too much since this also constricts the blood vessels and will raise bp. In other words, don't worry about things too much and cut back on the soy sauce.

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    is trying to sweat excess salt out ,a good idea then ?

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    Nope, that will just dehydrate you and screw up your sodium and potassium levels which can be dangerous and lead to major problems. Just don't take excess sodium in and watch your intake.

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    blood pressure

    just took a look at a can of cider no salt.

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    I just had a salt free bottle of wine with my lunch

    seems to be fine

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    Be careful with those secret sauces in Thai food Doc, they are a killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitown View Post
    I have a good friend that is a doctor in Denmark. He claims drinking 2 liters of water will eliminate high blood pressure. I do and no problems now, but it used to be high several years ago.
    I too have been told this by a Dr friend of mine in Africa and also read about it in a newspaper in Cuba.
    Also its one of the few recomendations i have heard that, if it doesn't work, it wont harm you..............................or does someone know different ?

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    ^i have no problem believing that drinking extra water could help with blood pressure. Water is toxic and people do die from drinking too much of it, does require a huculean effort. It kills becase the water washes the sodium and potassium out of your body and once your electrolytes drop below a critical level lots of stuff, like your nerve cells stop working and you die.

    So in a round about way, drinking lots of water has the same effect as eating less salt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    I went for a sleep test as was told suffering from severe sleep apnea and this is a noted cause for very high blood pressure

    Hey Dick, I see a lot of confusion here,your problem is SO, SO simple to overcome.

    1- Forget about treating symptoms as drug companies do!! (unless you have a life threatening situation now),,, You must treat the CAUSE.

    2- Educate yourself, I'm sure you are trying. Google ''ross horne 5th edition'' Read the book 'the health revolution' on line -free. Read it at least twice..!!!

    3- Immediately eliminate ALL -YES ALL, fats and oils from your diet, Right down to the last speck. Be fanatical about it . You won't be deficient Because All foods contain some oil/fat,, even the humble lettuce.

    4- Eliminate ALL salt, be tough, ALL salt.. (most veges have sodium so you will not be deficient).

    5- Drink water not alcohol

    6- Excercise, slowly,but lots of it, Hours of walking each day, walking till you sweat if you can without straining your heart- see book.

    Good luck, Z one

    ''If you say you would rather die than change your lifstyle,,you will'' -Ross Horne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zone View Post
    2- Educate yourself, I'm sure you are trying. Google ''ross horne 5th edition'' Read the book 'the health revolution' on line -free. Read it at least twice..!!!


    ''If you say you would rather die than change your lifstyle,,you will'' -Ross Horne.
    I believe he was also the author of "Cancerproof your body"

    Ironic really.

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    Just shows that there is no fullproof way to cheat death. If it is your time no diet or words of wisdom with keep the grim reaper away. He did live into his 80s, so maybe there was something to his diet theory.

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    blood pressure

    done it,been there,had it done 2x12inch scars and a heart that ticks like a time bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zone
    3- Immediately eliminate ALL -YES ALL, fats and oils from your diet, Right down to the last speck. Be fanatical about it . You won't be deficient Because All foods contain some oil/fat,, even the humble lettuce.
    Nonsense. That anti fat drive gets ever more ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zone
    4- Eliminate ALL salt, be tough, ALL salt.. (most veges have sodium so you will not be deficient).
    Not harmful, but completely unnecessary. The human body is well equipped to deal with sodium in some quantity, if you drink enough. There is a small group of people with a genetic inability to deal with sodium. They should avoid it, true. But that is even only a small group within the people with high blood pressure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zone
    5- Drink water not alcohol
    OK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zone
    6- Excercise, slowly,but lots of it, Hours of walking each day, walking till you sweat if you can without straining your heart- see book.
    Good advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers
    He did live into his 80s, so maybe there was something to his diet theory.
    Probably the walking part.

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    Quotes by Takeovers-

    ''nonsense. that anti fat drive gets ever more rediculous''
    ''Calories in fat are better for me''

    ''I still need my medication''

    ?????



    Spoken like a true champion

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    Common things that cause high blood pressure are ;--
    * Alcohol, -- it causes dehydration and that makes the viscosity of your blood thicker meaning it takes more force to push it around. Alcohol is also cardiotoxic weakening your heart and so the arteries nip up, which in turn increases the pressure to get the required volume of blood around.
    * Salt, -- Kidneys cause the pressure to rise so it can be filtered out of the system.
    *Nicotine causes arteries to nip up, increasing pressure.
    *Caffeine also causes arteries to nip up increasing the pressure.
    *Stress causes a prolonged, low grade state of "fight or flight response" releasing adrenaline in excess, also nipping up the arteries and increasing the pressure.
    *Obesity means you need more pressure to get the blood around those extra kilometers of blood vessels.

    If you are relatively young eg: 40s, you should get some result by knocking off nicotine, caffeine, salt, alcohol and by reducing stress and making sure you are well hydrated. That takes care of part of the problem associated with the arteries.
    Next you can increase the efficiency of the pump. Lose weight if you are obese. Get reasonably fit. The heart will build up strength like any muscle if given a regular workout and time to rest and recover.

    Unfortunately, if you are older, say 50 plus, chances are that your arteries will be clogged up with fatty crusty shit and narrowed. That means your body needs more pressure to get the blood around. And if its been going on for decades the old ticker is probably tired and stretched from working against all this excess pressure day and night. That means as the cardiac output drops the arteries need to nip up even more to maintain pressure. Thats when the pills become the ONLY option.

    For a normal sized adult the normal upper limits are 140/90. The 90 being the back pressure in the elastic arteries when the heart is at rest between beats. And the 140 being the pressure when the heart contracts. The lower diastolic number "90" generally tells more about the problem than the larger number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zone
    ''I still need my medication'' ????? Spoken like a true champion
    I do understand that you have problems with reading comprehension.

    So I add a short recap of my statements for your easier comprehension.

    I tried a low fat diet according to standard diet recommendations but it did not work. It caused me massive hunger attacks and as a result weight gain.
    So as a last resort I increased fat intake and reduced carbo hydrates but still maintain a varied diet wit fat, carbohydrates and protein. That worked well for me, the fat reduced my hunger attacks and I was able to substantially reduce weight. I have not yet reached the final weight goal yet and hope to reach it some time this year.
    The weight reduction has not yet a major impact on my blood pressure. So I do need to take my medication to control blood pressure. However I found that the spikes in blood pressure I previously experienced despite medication have receded.
    I also stated it worked well for me but may not work for everybody as people are different.

    I do not believe in any extreme diets, like eliminating fat or carbohydrates completely.
    Last edited by Takeovers; 03-01-2011 at 08:11 PM.

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    what causes low blood pressure?
    maybe eating lots of potassium rich food like bananas

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    what causes low blood pressure?
    maybe eating lots of potassium rich food like bananas
    Oh please be wrong, i eat at least one a day, its my favorite snack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    what causes low blood pressure?
    maybe eating lots of potassium rich food like bananas
    Thats a tricky one. Could be anything from being super fit, or a small body to terminal heart failure. My wife has a normal BP of 90/65 which is below the average norm, but is perfectly OK for her. Its when you get a trend over time out of the normal range that you need to worry. Peoples BP vary with mood and time of day, so one high or low reading shouldn't be of concern. See your Doc if worried about low BP. Blood and urine tests will identify electrolyte problems.
    Basically, if its normal for you, then its normal, but if its a changing trend then it needs to be investigated.

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