Supplements

**barbaro** · 05-04-2008, 08:59 PM

Here's a thread for supplements: supplements include vitamins, fat burners, mineral supplements, whey protein, fish oils, flax seed, etc.

Luckydog · 05-04-2008, 09:50 PM

I have taken lots of vitamins and supplements of various kinds for the last 40yrs.
Back then little was known about such things even by the medical profession.
Although I was always being told to just "Eat a balanced diet" I ignored this and I am glad I did 'cos now although I am an old git, I am as fit as a butchers dog!

**BobbyTits** · 05-04-2008, 11:49 PM

most of it just gets pissed out and makes your pee a funny neon yellow color.

**barbaro** · 06-04-2008, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

most of it just gets pissed out and makes your pee a funny neon yellow color.

You don't know what you're talking about.

If you don't have knowledge, don't post here.

**BobbyTits** · 06-04-2008, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

most of it just gets pissed out and makes your pee a funny neon yellow color.

You don't know what you're talking about.

If you don't have knowledge, don't post here.

We can debate it , I can post links and you can post links supporting our sides but the simple fact remains for any of us that have taken vitamins.

They turn your piss neon yellow and most of what you ingested gets squirted out your peter.

**sabang** · 06-04-2008, 12:59 AM

If you eat well, you don't need most supplements.

Colloidal silver is one I like.
Calcium/ magnesium supplements you can't go wrong with.

I think the rest is just substituting for poor diet.

Oh- and if you are alcoholic, add potassium. But really, bananas are as good a source as any.

**BobbyTits** · 06-04-2008, 01:03 AM

This is a huge issue of debate.

Some minerals and supplements are hard to come by even in the best of diets so taking them in a pill form is grand - the other side of that coin is where those particular minerals are derived from.

I like wheat grass juice , it is nasty nasty stuff but I believe in the touted properties of the stuff.

**sabang** · 06-04-2008, 01:16 AM

Wheat/ barley grass is very good too. Alkalising for a starter, anti-carcinogen also. Agreed.

**BobbyTits** · 06-04-2008, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Wheat/ barley grass is very good too. Alkalising for a starter, anti-carcinogen also. Agreed.

How about your monthly coffee enemas in Boyztown ?

**sabang** · 06-04-2008, 01:31 AM

^ Interesting thought. I have a pot of brewed coffee every morning, not for health purposes, and that is enema enough.

Do you recommend them bobby?

**BobbyTits** · 06-04-2008, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

^ Interesting thought. I have a pot of brewed coffee every morning, not for health purposes, and that is enema enough.

Do you recommend them bobby?

Depends on how confident you are with yourself.

Luckydog · 06-04-2008, 06:14 AM

Nobody knows exactly how much, say Vit C, you need on a daily basis.
Not to stop scurvy, but for OPTIMUM HEALTH!
So you should take 1000mg of Vit C. every day so that if your white blood cells need it (it's their fuel) to fight invading bacterior, it is available to them. Any excess is flushed out.

Magnesium incidentally, is a must.......check it out.

I spend a bomb (and have for years) on Vitamins etc. It has definitely been a good investment, as I look and feel ten years younger than I actually am.

Ye of little faith.......go die somewhere.

**blackgang** · 06-04-2008, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

How about your monthly coffee enemas in Boyztown

I don't know about them, Once I saw a guy mixing one up and put sugar in the coffee, I don't like sugar in coffee..

But right now I am taking calcium, Bio-mag, and zinc, plus about 4 envelopes of electrolite with Potassium a day, I seem to be having trouble maintaining the correct level of minerals in my system during hot weather and if I sweat just a little, and have bad hand and lower leg and foot muscle cramps, the Dr.s here do not seem to be that swift, they did take one blood test when I first went into the hospital and he said that was normal, but since that time he has me on another steroid, thats 2 now and Theo Dur plus inhaled meds and nebulized meds,
Now has said that I should take 150 mg of Quinine every 8 hours for the muscle spasms or cramps..
I think he is fucked up really..

**barbaro** · 06-04-2008, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by blackgang

Originally Posted by BobbyTits

How about your monthly coffee enemas in Boyztown

I don't know about them, Once I saw a guy mixing one up and put sugar in the coffee, I don't like sugar in coffee..

But right now I am taking calcium, Bio-mag, and zinc, plus about 4 envelopes of electrolite with Potassium a day, I seem to be having trouble maintaining the correct level of minerals in my system during hot weather and if I sweat just a little....

Because we sweat more in South East Asia, taking minerals (only) before bed is a good idea. You can take them on an empty stomach. I used to by Mineral caps by TwinLab, but now I can't find that brand.

**Norton** · 06-04-2008, 12:15 PM

I have never taken any vitamin supplements. Being an old git myself, I feel very fit in spite of a few bad habits. A balanced diet seems to work for me but have never been conscious of making sure I have one. I like just about all foods so here in Thailand getting a good supply of vitamins and minerals is quite easy given the assortment of fresh fruits and vegetables. Also, I am an avid milk drinker so all the nutritional goodness there as well. Drink a pot of coffee every morning and very moderate drinker of alcohol.

The need to take supplements is driven more by individual ability to metabolize specific nutritional components and therefore some may need to take them and others may not. It seems to me keeping ones weight down, drinking plenty of water and a balanced diet are key to overall well being.

**Norton** · 06-04-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Because we sweat more in South East Asia, taking minerals (only) before bed is a good idea.

Iodine is important as well. Depending on diet can be a deficiency for some leading to thyroid problems. Something as simple as making sure you use iodized salt works.

**Little Chuchok** · 06-04-2008, 01:28 PM

From NZ CONSUMER web site...

Useful supplements

The Ministry of Health says most people in New Zealand can get all the nutrients they need from their food. Professor Jim Mann of the Department of Human Nutrition at Otago University says millions of dollars are wasted on dietary supplements each year. We agree with both points.

These are the supplements with well-established health benefits, and the circumstances in which they should be taken. It's a small list.
Folate

(also called folic acid) is a B vitamin, important for women planning or in the early stages of a pregnancy. There is evidence it reduces the incidence of neural tube (birth) defects.
The Ministry of Health recommends women take a 0.8mg supplement of folate four weeks before they conceive and for the first 12 weeks of the pregnancy.
They should also increase the folate in their diet by eating fruit and vegetables and wholegrain breads and cereals. Some breakfast cereals and some fruit juices are fortified with folate - this will be stated on the label.

Vitamin B12
is only found in animal products. The richest sources are liver and kidney. It's also found in other meats and in lesser amounts in milk and milk products.
Vegetarians, and especially vegans, are at risk of vitamin B12 deficiency.

Vitamin D
aids in the absorption of calcium and is important for bone health. Most of us get enough vitamin D from exposure to sunlight. The only people who may need a top-up are those who rarely get outside.
Margarine, eggs, butter and oily fish like salmon are good sources of vitamin D.

Iron
deficiency may result in anaemia. This is a medical condition and should be properly diagnosed by a doctor.
Supplements are necessary when there is evidence of iron-deficiency anaemia, or when women have high menstrual losses, or are pregnant and have low iron stores.
Vegetarians may also have low iron stores. The iron in meat, poultry and seafood (called "haem" iron) is more easily absorbed than the non-haem iron in vegetables.

Calcium
is needed for strong bones and is especially important for growing children and women after menopause. Doctors sometimes recommend supplements to people at risk, especially frail, older women.
Milk and milk products are good sources of calcium. You can also keep up your calcium levels from non-dairy sources like green vegetables, wholegrain cereals and breads, canned fish with bones, beans, nuts and calcium-fortified soy drinks.

Less useful supplements

Multivitamins
are often taken as a kind of nutritional "insurance" to top up an inadequate diet. They're unlikely to do any harm - except to your wallet - but it's far from clear if they will do you any good.

Other supplements
Other nutrients, such as mineral supplements, vitamin C and B type vitamins, are widely consumed. However, there is disagreement about how beneficial they are and little evidence they alter health outcomes - despite what their manufacturers say.

Body overload

More is not necessarily better when it comes to vitamin and mineral supplements. Very big doses can be unsafe.
The Food Standards Agency in Britain has recently released its largest safety review of vitamins and minerals. It suggests people who take excessive doses of some supplements are at risk of cancer, liver damage, loss of feeling in the arms and legs, and weakened bones.
Vitamin and mineral deficiencies aren't common in New Zealand. It is unlikely that a problem you have is caused by a deficiency. Check with a doctor.

**Mr Earl** · 06-04-2008, 02:06 PM

I go through spells of taking supplements and not taking them. I think they help but I also think it's good to quit taking them from time to time so your body doesn't get too used to them.
Bilberry is very good for your eyes.

I think here in Thailand with all the tree ripened fruit we get many of these supplements are overkill.
But everyone has a slightly different metabolism and genetic make up which makes it difficult to put ones finger on exactly what your needs are.

**blackgang** · 06-04-2008, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Because we sweat more in South East Asia, taking minerals (only) before bed is a good idea. You can take them on an empty stomach. I used to by Mineral caps by TwinLab, but now I can't find that brand.

Spent much time in SEA, and have sweated much most of the time here, especially when younger and had no air cons. But never was bothered.
Was not really bothered until i was in the hospital in December and while in there it started and I told the nurses, who did nothing, told the 2 doctors i had and they shined it off, and I started to take some electrolite my wife brought in to me and it worked along with taking a Bio-Mag tablet daily, but now it seems to have gotten worse and I was taking 12- 5 mg prednisolone tabs a day, and now am down to 1 a day, but still bothered, but prednisolone is a long duration drug and they say to notify your care giver that you had taken it up to a couple of years after you quit taking it.

**BobbyTits** · 06-04-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by blackgang

Originally Posted by Milkman

Because we sweat more in South East Asia, taking minerals (only) before bed is a good idea. You can take them on an empty stomach. I used to by Mineral caps by TwinLab, but now I can't find that brand.

Spent much time in SEA, and have sweated much most of the time here, especially when younger and had no air cons. But never was bothered.
Was not really bothered until i was in the hospital in December and while in there it started and I told the nurses, who did nothing, told the 2 doctors i had and they shined it off, and I started to take some electrolite my wife brought in to me and it worked along with taking a Bio-Mag tablet daily, but now it seems to have gotten worse and I was taking 12- 5 mg prednisolone tabs a day, and now am down to 1 a day, but still bothered, but prednisolone is a long duration drug and they say to notify your care giver that you had taken it up to a couple of years after you quit taking it.

Prednisolone is supposed to be very bad for you when used long term .

Luckydog · 06-04-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by blackgang

Originally Posted by Milkman

Because we sweat more in South East Asia, taking minerals (only) before bed is a good idea. You can take them on an empty stomach. I used to by Mineral caps by TwinLab, but now I can't find that brand.

Spent much time in SEA, and have sweated much most of the time here, especially when younger and had no air cons. But never was bothered.
Was not really bothered until i was in the hospital in December and while in there it started and I told the nurses, who did nothing, told the 2 doctors i had and they shined it off, and I started to take some electrolite my wife brought in to me and it worked along with taking a Bio-Mag tablet daily, but now it seems to have gotten worse and I was taking 12- 5 mg prednisolone tabs a day, and now am down to 1 a day, but still bothered, but prednisolone is a long duration drug and they say to notify your care giver that you had taken it up to a couple of years after you quit taking it.

Try accupuncture old bean......It could help.
Chinese doctors are best at this.

There is a lot of good advice in this thread incidentally.....

**Airportwo** · 06-04-2008, 10:27 PM

Im with Milkman and Lucky Dog all the way on this.
If you eat properly, you don,t need supplements, sure, who can eat properly these days, the food chain is fckued, the ground its grown in, the animals etc are all polluted and fed crap!
I have been taking supplements for 30 years, I dont have a Doctor and rarely get any illness,touching wood, maybe good fortune, I dont think so!
I change what I take depending on how i feel, I take probiotics regularly, mineral supplements, Vit C, E, Chorrella, fish oils and "Greens" non of us eat enough greens.
You have got to keep insides cleaned out as well, a good dose of Epsom salts every month or so, and a cup of virgin olive oil to clean out the liver and gallbladder. I try and drink a glass of fresh squeezed lemon juice with cayenne pepper in it first thing every morning, starts the day off with everything nice and Alkaline as it should be.
Take care of yourselves, maybe nobody else will!

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