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    Recreational drugs less dangerous than those prescribed!

    While approximately 10,000 per year die from the effects of illegal drugs, an article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported that an estimated 106,000 hospitalized patients die each year from drugs which, by medical standards, are properly prescribed and properly administered. More than two million suffer serious side effects. [3]
    An article in Newsweek [4] put this into perspective. Adverse drug reactions, from "properly" prescribed drugs, are the fourth leading cause of death in the United States. According to this article, only heart disease, cancer, and stroke kill more Americans than drugs prescribed by medical doctors. Reactions to prescription drugs kill more than twice as many Americans as HIV/AIDS or suicide. Fewer die from accidents or diabetes than adverse drug reactions. It is important to point out the limitations of this study. It did not include outpatients, cases of malpractice, or instances where the drugs were not taken as directed.

    Nice thought eh?

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    How much shorter would their lives have been without these drugs?

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    ^ That's kinda what I was wondering also. That and the fact of being prescribed drugs means that they are already sick to begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckydog View Post
    While approximately 10,000 per year die from the effects of illegal drugs, an article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported that an estimated 106,000 hospitalized patients die each year from drugs which, by medical standards, are properly prescribed and properly administered.
    The first comparison of numbers, 10,000 as opposed to 106,000 is flawed. Since there is no comparison of the number of people using recreational drugs (difficult to estimate) and the number of people taking prescribed drugs, the numbers used can not be contrasted in any meaningful way.

    Adverse drug reactions, from "properly" prescribed drugs, are the fourth leading cause of death in the United States. According to this article, only heart disease, cancer, and stroke kill more Americans than drugs prescribed by medical doctors. Reactions to prescription drugs kill more than twice as many Americans as HIV/AIDS or suicide. Fewer die from accidents or diabetes than adverse drug reactions. It is important to point out the limitations of this study. It did not include outpatients, cases of malpractice, or instances where the drugs were not taken as directed.
    This part, if correct, is interesting though.
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    Well that makes me feel better about my recreational activities...

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    For a true perspective we should compare the number of deaths related to prescribed and illicit drugs, against that of the two great killers, smokes and booze.

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    Following the OP's logic, since more people die from prescription drugs than from suicide, taking an aspirin is therefore more dangerous than leaping off tall buildings.

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    ^ Aspirin is not a prescription drug

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    the fact of being prescribed drugs means that they are already sick to begin.
    ^ Unless the diagnosis is wrong, of course (like "bipolar children" for instance).


    Also read in print and heard on the radio about this disturbing report:
    Doctors Are The 3rd Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 225,000 Deaths Every Year

    In July of 2000 there was a great article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) , one of the best articles ever written in the published literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm.

    This information was published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world.

    The author of the article is Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health and she describes how the US health care system may contribute to medical mistakes and poor health.
    DEATHS PER YEAR:

    12,000 - unnecessary surgery (8)
    7,000 - medication errors in hospitals (9)
    20,000 - other errors in hospitals (10)
    80,000 - infections in hospitals (10)
    106,000 - non-error, negative effects of drugs



    This is a total of 225,000 deaths per year from a physician's activity, manner, or therapy.

    Dr. Starfield reminds us to keep the following in mind when interpreting these numbers:
    • 1st, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized patients.
    • 2nd, these estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative effects that are associated with disability or discomfort.
    • 3rd, the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM report.1
    If the higher estimates are used, the deaths would range from 230,000 to 284,000. In any case, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the 3rd leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer. Even if these figures are an overestimate, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease).

    Another analysis concluded that between 4% and 18% of patients experience negative effects in outpatient settings, with:
    • 116 million extra physician visits
    • 77 million extra prescriptions
    • 17 million emergency department visits
    • 8 million hospitalizations
    • 3 million long-term admissions
    • 199,000 additional deaths
    • $77 billion in extra costs
    The high cost of the health care system seems to be tolerated under the assumption that better health results from more expensive care.

    However, evidence from a few studies indicates that as many as 20% to 30% of patients receive inappropriate care.

    According to one study(2), an estimated 44,000 to 98,000 among them die each year as a result of medical errors.

    This situation might be tolerated if it resulted in better health, but does it? Of 13 countries in a recent comparison,(3,4) the U. S. ranks an average of 12th (one up from the bottom) for 16 available health indicators. More specifically, the ranking of the United States on several indicators was:
    • 13th (last) for low-birth-weight percentages
    • 13th for neonatal mortality and infant mortality overall (14)
    • 11th for postneonatal mortality
    • 13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes)
    • 11th for life expectancy at 1 year for females, 12th for males
    • 10th for life expectancy at 15 years for females, 12th for males
    • 10th for life expectancy at 40 years for females, 9th for males
    • 7th for life expectancy at 65 years for females, 7th for males
    • 3rd for life expectancy at 80 years for females, 3rd for males
    • 10th for age-adjusted mortality
    The poor performance of the US was recently confirmed by a World Health Organization study, which used different data and ranked the U. S. as 15th among 25 industrialized countries.

    Lack of technology is certainly not a contributing factor to the United States 's low ranking.

    Among 29 countries, the United States is 2nd only to Japan in the availability of computed tomography (CT) scanners and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) units per million population. (17)

    Japan, however, ranks highest on health whereas the United States ranks among the lowest.

    Journal American Medical Association 2000 Jul 26;284(4):483-5

    Doctors are a major cause of death in the United States
    3rd third highest cause of death hospitals - Google Search
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    i new i was right! i,ll stick to my self medication schedule as planned

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    Death By Doctor

    In 1973 doctors in Israel staged a month-long strike and during that month, mortality fell by 50 percent. A couple of years later, a two-month work stoppage by doctors in the Columbian capital of Bogotá led to a 35-percent decline in deaths. And during a work slowdown by doctors in Los Angeles protesting against the sharp increase in premiums for liability insurance, the number of deaths fell by 18 percent.

    Once doctors were back at work full time, mortality immediately jumped back to the previous level. Every year, 1.2 million Britons are hospitalized as a result of improper medical care. In the United States – where 40,000 people are shot to death each year so the chance of getting killed by a doctor is three times greater than being killed by a gun. And every year significantly more people die from an infection sustained while in the hospital than as a result of traffic accidents.


    Black for Death!

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    ^ Mmm, smacks a bit of urban myth to me that one. What's the bet it would be difficult to verify that with actual recorded statistics.

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    ^ How about the report from the Journal of the American Medical Association? Is that an urban myth too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    Mmm, smacks a bit of urban myth to me that one.
    Yeah. We had that one before. It was easy to prove why that might've occured.

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    I'm addicted to Valium, so I can vouch for the title of this thread.

    DD can also vouch for my being addicted.

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    ^Well, there's a proud poster.

    I don't much care what other people do in their lives regarding drug use.

    I personally don't like it and have never been under the influence of any drug except alcohol (and a sleepy-dreamy antisthetic during a few minor surgeries)

    Governments around the world take a much different approach than I do.

    Blow the risk off as minimal, carry a bit through an airport, have a stash in your car, you might see the wrong end of a lengthy sentence in a Thai jail.

    My .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    ^Well, there's a proud poster.

    I don't much care what other people do in their lives regarding drug use.

    I personally don't like it and have never been under the influence of any drug except alcohol
    I'm not proud I promise. I quit drink and now I am addicted to these.

    I haven't drank for 6 months now. Not one drop.

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    Post I suppose

    that you can get all the Vic.. that you want? I think I would stay away from YaBa, Shit is a killer, from what I know of it.

    Good luck hope you do not end up in the Kings's Prison Palace.

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    I think the difference between recreational and medical drugs is basically only a question of what you use them for. They are much the same thing really. Most of the recreational drugs of today are a product of medical research, the exceptions I can think of being cannabis, tobacco & peyote.

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    ^Also psilocybin mushrooms, ayahuasca, kratom etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Pat View Post
    I'm addicted to Valium
    You've had plenty of well-meant warnings about this.

    Idiot.

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    But really now, does getting a little bud once in awhile really that bad.

    skycop....wonders??

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