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    Squats are one of the most natural movements the human body makes...
    it's a myth that squats are bad for the knees... improper form while doing them, hell yeah!..
    Sitting in a chair or to take a dump western style is sitting, not squatting.
    Squatting is what Asians do in old style bogs, or eating on the floor.
    The two positions are distinctly different, and the squat will cause injuries and damage in those not accustomed to it.
    That is not supposition or flight of fancy it’s a fact.

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    ^Wasting your breath. Dickie found a blog, from which he's been cherry-picking all of his arguments. Don't bother trying to convince him his blog is wrong.

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    ^ whatever... don't bend your knees biddies... you will break in half lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983 View Post

    ^ whatever... ...
    spoken like a petulant teenage girl.

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    yeah, nah... I said it like Bishop Mendoza... keep them legs straight gramps! heh... squats are for dem asians and negros innit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    How are the knees now?
    The knees now are not at all bad . I am getting a lot of pain BEHIND one of them though .

    The discussion on squats ------ No. I think your body tells you a lot and my body is saying " Do not do any squats . "

    My worse problem now is lower back . I'm very very careful with my back because it bloody hurts when it goes out .
    I still build fireplaces and I pick up some damned heavy granite hearths . Alone . But I know they are heavy so I do it properly . Bend the knees . Straight back . And then I go and do something really innocuous like bending to pick up a single sock and it puts my back out for 3 weeks agony !
    I hurt it now by sitting on a soft chair that was already way too low in a coffee shop in Pattaya ! ( Nice coffee shop though . Malamute outside the Memorial Hospital ).


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    Last time I had lower back pain it was so sharp that I was utterly convinced that it was a pinched nerve, rather than muscular.

    Two Celebrex anti-inflammatory tablets one night, and the pain was 90% gone the next morning. They broke the cycle.

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    Try Turmeric for a month, a 600mg capsule daily.

    Believe me it'll work!!!

    http://teakdoor.com/health-fitness-a...i-can-run.html (Turmeric cured me! I can run distances again.)


    Seriously Waspy!!! Get on it like a car bonnet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp View Post
    My worse problem now is lower back . I'm very very careful with my back because it bloody hurts when it goes out .
    I still build fireplaces and I pick up some damned heavy granite hearths . Alone . But I know they are heavy so I do it properly . Bend the knees . Straight back . And then I go and do something really innocuous like bending to pick up a single sock and it puts my back out for 3 weeks agony !
    I hurt it now by sitting on a soft chair that was already way too low in a coffee shop in Pattaya !
    Lower back muscle exercises which you do on a mat on the floor. Have a Google! Or float in a swimming pool supported by Styrofoam floats, one under each arm. This takes the weight off your back and you can move your torso around for exercise without much discomfort. If you don't have a doctor's prescription, most lower back pain is caused by injured or overworked muscles that will not necessarily heal themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    Try Turmeric for a month, a 600mg capsule daily.

    Believe me it'll work!!!

    http://teakdoor.com/health-fitness-a...i-can-run.html (Turmeric cured me! I can run distances again.)


    Seriously Waspy!!! Get on it like a car bonnet

    OK Chitty .

    I suspect you own a Turmeric farm but I'll stick with it anyway .
    Even though it endangers the upper atmosphere.


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    Quote Originally Posted by [COLOR=#ffd700
    VocalNeal[/COLOR];3715962]Lower back muscle exercises which you do on a mat on the floor. Have a Google! Or float in a swimming pool supported by Styrofoam floats, one under each arm. This takes the weight off your back and you can move your torso around for exercise without much discomfort. If you don't have a doctor's prescription, most lower back pain is caused by injured or overworked muscles that will not necessarily heal themselves.
    Lower Back ........ I've put it out when I took a swing at Golf . So no more Golf .
    I put it out when I bent too quickly to open a Washing Machine door . So I bend more slowly and in a very Katoyy manner now.
    I put it out simply standing in the shower when I lifted one leg rather quickly for a bit of soaping !
    And I did it again last week getting up too quickly from a very soft and very low seat in Pattaya .

    Always it has been the result of movement so my self-diagnosis is that I am pushing a disc out .
    If I am more careful about movement that may be all I need to do . Any attempts at exercise hurt too much . Which is sad because I played a lot of football and tennis and badminton and squash . I even have to bend my knees to play Snooker now !
    If I put a mat on the floor and try an exercise it hurts - so my body is telling me don't put a mat on the floor and try an exercise !! Intelligent body .

    Thank you though , VoxyNeal.


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    Waspy mate, just take heed of my post above. I was 98% convinced that this time it was a pinched nerve.

    Be wary of self-diagnosis.

    Celebrex is the most commonly prescribed anti-inflammatory here in Australia. And very well tolerated. All I'm suggesting is to see if you simply have inflammation by taking it for 2 or 3 days.

    As I said, I took 2 one night and was enormously better the very next morning. That way you will definitely know if it is a disc or inflammation.

    You can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Waspy mate, just take heed of my post above. I was 98% convinced that this time it was a pinched nerve.

    Be wary of self-diagnosis.

    Celebrex is the most commonly prescribed anti-inflammatory here in Australia. And very well tolerated. All I'm suggesting is to see if you simply have inflammation by taking it for 2 or 3 days.

    As I said, I took 2 one night and was enormously better the very next morning. That way you will definitely know if it is a disc or inflammation.

    You can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink.
    No No Latino friend !!!!

    I'm not ignoring your advice at all . I don't know where I'll get Celebrex but I'll certainly look for it .

    I was simply explaining the connection between certain movements which caused the back pain . And which made me think it was a disc . I'll be out there searching my nuts away to find Celebrex ...but if it causes more gas I'll be able to spot the connection to your name .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp View Post
    my body is saying " Do not do any squats . "
    My body screams "do not do squats".
    A wee voice in my head says, "Norton don't be dumb. Only run when in fear of your life".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    My body screams "do not do squats".
    A wee voice in my head says, "Norton don't be dumb. Only run when in fear of your life".

    I truly think that people who run around the streets are idiots .
    They're mostly youngish and perfectly fit . They don't need the extra pounding on the joints . It doesn't do them any good .
    And the older folks are simply trying hard to have a stroke . Much easier to eat a bit of salad and cut back on the chocolates.

    If you sit two guys together . One relaxed with a beer . One dressed in lycra with an expensive bicycle . One is no more likely to get Cancer than the other ... but one IS certainly more likely to go under a truck.

    I used to go to an indoor tennis place in Bracknell .
    You couldn't get a parking spot near the entrance because all these fitness nutcases were fighting to get as close to the entrance as possible .
    40 metres away there were a hundred empty parking places. These fitness fanatics would have enhanced their fitness by parking 40 metres away and walking .
    But they are not there for fitness . They are there to be seen and to check out the others . That's why they run in front of huge mirrors .
    Saying that I did do a push up today .
    Well what I mean is I fell over and had to use my arms to get back up .
    I used to do a bit of training running up and down the stairs but I don't really trust staircases . They're always up to something.
    And Star Jumps ! I always do star jumps whenever I walk into a spider web in Thailand !

    This girl in the vegetarian market said she knew me but I told her I'd never met herbivore .

    OK I've gone off track here .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp View Post

    I was simply explaining the connection between certain movements which caused the back pain . And which made me think it was a disc . I'll be out there searching my nuts away to find Celebrex ...but if it causes more gas I'll be able to spot the connection to your name .
    No worries.

    Justfor the sake of transparency, I shall relate more detail of my own pain. If I was standing up I was ok, and leaning over, mostly ok. But occasionally I would get at a certain angle, and suddenly be utterly compelled to either freeze, or go down to my knees in pain. Or both.
    One day I was actually half-way getting out of my car and it happened. I could not move back in, and could not straighten up. And I felt that if I moved at ALL, the pain would be just awful. So I had to slowly crab my way sideways using my arms.

    I was certain that it was a pinched nerve due to a bulging disc. So was very pleasantly relieved after I took a couple of tablets and got better.

    I think Celebrex are readily available in Thailand, but not sure if over the counter at pharmacies or needing a prescription.

    Having said all that, my problem may well be a bulging disc, but at least the area is no longer inflamed; the cycle has been broken. Pain is a warning and I shall be very careful from now on, as you too should be. One of my friends had to have two of his vertebrae screwed together with titanium screws (he used to do extreme types of exercise), and I don't fancy that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    If I was standing up I was ok, and leaning over, mostly ok. But occasionally I would get at a certain angle, and suddenly be utterly compelled to either freeze, or go down to my knees in pain. Or both.
    One day I was actually half-way getting out of my car and it happened. I could not move back in, and could not straighten up. And I felt that if I moved at ALL, the pain would be just awful. So I had to slowly crab my way sideways using my arms.

    I think Celebrex are readily available in Thailand, but not sure if over the counter at pharmacies or needing a prescription.

    Having said all that, my problem may well be a bulging disc, but at least the area is no longer inflamed; the cycle has been broken. Pain is a warning and I shall be very careful from now on, as you too should be.

    Your crab-like car experience sounds very like MY crab-like car experiences .
    On occasion it has been such a struggle I despair and swear like crazy . I'm someone who doesn't swear !
    But when I'm struggling like a 92 year old I go erffing nuts !
    You may have Shares in Celebrex but you have convinced me .
    But first I have to get out of this car !!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    I think Celebrex are readily available in Thailand, but not sure if over the counter at pharmacies or needing a prescription.
    I hope this helps?

    The exact same thing (celecoxib) no, but plenty of drugs in the same general class (NSAID) are available in very cheap generic equivalents.
    Difference between Celebrex and other NSAIDs is that it is something called a "COX II" inhibitor, that is its action is more narrowly focussed on blocking chemicals responsible for inflammation and pain than older NSAIDs (Ibuprofen and the like).. they were introduced with a lot of enthusiasm but have proven controversial.
    They were originally promoted because of a lower incidence of gastric irritation/ulcer compared to broader range NSAIDs, but incidence of adverse effects on kidneys the same, and some studies have shown a higher risk of heart attack and stroke. In fact two of the 3 products in this class, VIOXX and Bextra were taken of the US market because of this, and the US FDA has issued a warning against extended use of Celebrex as well.
    http://www.fda.gov/drugs/drugsafety/postmarketdrugsafetyinformationforpatientsandprovi ders/ucm103420.htm
    http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/PostmarketDrugSafetyInformationforPatientsandProvi ders/ucm103420.htm#COX2
    Of course one has to consider the specifics of the individual patient, in someone with a history of ulcer disease/GI bleeding who requires an NSAID, it may be worth the other risks to use a COX-II. But I find that in Thailand many doctors (especially non-specialists and those upcountry) are not really up to date on all this and often reach for the "newest" NSAID in the belief it must be better. (Drug company reps contribute to this tendency by aggressive sales pitches).
    Maybe it's my age showing but I personally have a strong preference for drugs that have been around a long time (which also means they will be off patent and have cheaper versions) over newer products unless there is a clear and compelling reason why newer formulations are better for the particular patient, or no older drug with the same/similar action exists. Seen too many "new" versions of things come in with fanfare and go out in a flurry of lawsuits.
    The longer a drug has been around, the better known are all its potential adverse effects. When new drugs are developed they are tested on perhaps a thousand or so people (sometimes less) and usually ones who are otherwise healthy. There are good reasons for that in terms of establishing effects directly linked to that drug, but once a drug is approved it gets used by millions of people many of whom -- perhaos even most of whom - have other health problems and are on other potent medications which may interact with it in unexpected ways. In addition, initial testing iks limited ion the length of time it follows patients, and some problems may occur only after extended periods of use.
    As a result "post marketing surveillance" of new drugs often uncovers problems not identified in the initial testing, and sometimes, as has been the case with the COX-II inhibitors, significant ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp View Post
    Lower Back ........ I've put it out when I took a swing at Golf . So no more Golf .
    I put it out when I bent too quickly to open a Washing Machine door . So I bend more slowly and in a very Katoyy manner now.
    I put it out simply standing in the shower when I lifted one leg rather quickly for a bit of soaping !
    And I did it again last week getting up too quickly from a very soft and very low seat in Pattaya .

    Always it has been the result of movement so my self-diagnosis is that I am pushing a disc out .
    If I am more careful about movement that may be all I need to do . Any attempts at exercise hurt too much . Which is sad because I played a lot of football and tennis and badminton and squash . I even have to bend my knees to play Snooker now !
    If I put a mat on the floor and try an exercise it hurts - so my body is telling me don't put a mat on the floor and try an exercise !! Intelligent body .

    Thank you though , VoxyNeal.


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    I do not think there is such a physical things as putting ones back out . It is muscular. If you doubt it X-rays are cheap here. Even Govt. hospital can organize that.

    OK floor mat doesn't work so we are left with (for me) time in the pool. Wherever the nearest one is. resorts and hotels have them. They'll claim for residents but if you order lunch by the pool etc..

    Whatever is wrong it will not fix itself and as you said in another thread you need a hobby. Well now you have one Then you can get back to golf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    I'm surprised he could get turmeric in a 7-11. I've never seen it for sale there. He's a lucky man his local 7-11 stocks it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp View Post
    The first 7/11 I looked - they had it . In capsule . The second one also had it ....... so I think it's easy to get . But on the foil it's all Thai so there's no naming Turmeric . The small box holding the strips does show you the word .
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    Well, I doubted you, Wasp, but you are right. The 7-11s sell turmeric. I looked today and found some in the "health" products section (whereas before I was looking in the food sections) - 16 baht for eight 500mg capsules. Sold as a herb to relieve flatulence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Well, I doubted you, Wasp, but you are right. The 7-11s sell turmeric. I looked today and found some in the "health" products section (whereas before I was looking in the food sections) - 16 baht for eight 500mg capsules. Sold as a herb to relieve flatulence.


    Or in my case induce it !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    The exact same thing (celecoxib) no, but plenty of drugs in the same general class (NSAID) are available in very cheap generic equivalents.
    Difference between Celebrex and other NSAIDs is that it is something called a "COX II" inhibitor, that is its action is more narrowly focussed on blocking chemicals responsible for inflammation and pain than older NSAIDs (Ibuprofen and the like).. they were introduced with a lot of enthusiasm but have proven controversial.
    They were originally promoted because of a lower incidence of gastric irritation/ulcer compared to broader range NSAIDs, but incidence of adverse effects on kidneys the same, and some studies have shown a higher risk of heart attack and stroke. In fact two of the 3 products in this class, VIOXX and Bextra were taken of the US market because of this, and the US FDA has issued a warning against extended use of Celebrex as well.
    http://www.fda.gov/drugs/drugsafety/...tientsandprovi ders/ucm103420.htm
    http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/...tientsandProvi ders/ucm103420.htm#COX2
    Of course one has to consider the specifics of the individual patient, in someone with a history of ulcer disease/GI bleeding who requires an NSAID, it may be worth the other risks to use a COX-II. But I find that in Thailand many doctors (especially non-specialists and those upcountry) are not really up to date on all this and often reach for the "newest" NSAID in the belief it must be better. (Drug company reps contribute to this tendency by aggressive sales pitches).
    Maybe it's my age showing but I personally have a strong preference for drugs that have been around a long time (which also means they will be off patent and have cheaper versions) over newer products unless there is a clear and compelling reason why newer formulations are better for the particular patient, or no older drug with the same/similar action exists. Seen too many "new" versions of things come in with fanfare and go out in a flurry of lawsuits.
    The longer a drug has been around, the better known are all its potential adverse effects. When new drugs are developed they are tested on perhaps a thousand or so people (sometimes less) and usually ones who are otherwise healthy. There are good reasons for that in terms of establishing effects directly linked to that drug, but once a drug is approved it gets used by millions of people many of whom -- perhaos even most of whom - have other health problems and are on other potent medications which may interact with it in unexpected ways. In addition, initial testing iks limited ion the length of time it follows patients, and some problems may occur only after extended periods of use.
    As a result "post marketing surveillance" of new drugs often uncovers problems not identified in the initial testing, and sometimes, as has been the case with the COX-II inhibitors, significant ones.


    Yeah yeah yeah....that's why I only recommend it for a brief time....to prove / disprove his pain being inflammation. And to give temporary relief by breaking the cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Be wary of self-diagnosis.
    Try listening to your own advice dummy.

    He is not you.

    You are are not medically qualified to be giving advice, especially on drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Yeah yeah yeah....that's why I only recommend it for a brief time....to prove / disprove his pain being inflammation. And to give temporary relief by breaking the cycle.
    Bluffing when you are proved wrong is a common occurrence with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Bluffing when you are proved wrong is a common occurrence with you.

    Well now this was my enquiry and latindancer ..... I appreciate you pointing me to Celebrex .
    All the other comments did make me research the drug and I can see it has been both highly successful and also controversial .
    I have bought it - along with the other recommendations . I have not taken it yet .
    Internet comments say it will increase heart attack or stroke percentages and I'm not keen to do that if a good rub with Eucalyptus Balm and some Ibuprofen will help the knees .
    However ..... the pain when I ' put my back out ' is so bad I will happily take the Celebrex to ( hopefully ) ease that pain instead of going through the normal 3 weeks of torture .
    So thank you for pointing me in that direction .


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