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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddler View Post
    For what it's worth: Glucosamine worked for me.
    I had an old football injury since 1970.
    Really flared up when i went skiing or running downhills.
    Doctor suggested I try glucosamine.
    Took a month to show results but then the pain went away.
    Doctors tell me it can't harm you as it's all natural and creates a spider web effect around the joints so that fluids can collect there and lubricate.
    I'd at least try it for a month or two before any surgery.
    Good luck.
    Well fiddler .... I did read a comment saying glucosamine was useless !
    But why would I ask the question and not listen to your answer ?

    I'll meander off and look for some glucosamine and give it a try .
    And thank you .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Turmeric is not very strong....it is a long-term thing. But it's great you got it.

    Best way to check if it is an inflammatory condition is to take some Celebrex tablets for a few days. They're quite harmless in the short term, and probably the most commonly used anti-inflammatory.

    I'm going to be rattling with Turmeric , Glucosamine and Celebrex !!!
    Expect to find a dead but very flexible wasp !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    sprouts are the new viagra
    Wrong as always Dill.
    Rubbing explosive nitroglycerine into your penis is ‘the new Viagra’
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    Glucosamine is supposed to work (just didn't do anything for me)... not saying you shouldn't try it... I tried so many different things - but learned so much about my body in the process..

    Everyone responds differently... I feel my injury (patella tendonitis) wasn't so much inflammatory - as say arthritis, which many confuse with.

    You really have to experiment with what works best for you.

    Best advice I can give, is go all out in terms of your health... lose weight... hell, take vitamin c, lysine, Astaxanthin, glucosamine and any number of herbs/vitamins, they are all beneficial
    and work in synergy... if some don't work specifically for your problem, oh well... it all goes towards a more healthy you.

    For instance (cringe) my sperm motility has gone through the roof (over 75%) thanks to all the supps I'm taking (L-Arginine, Vit C, Lysine, Macca, yada yada yada) I order from I-Herb... very cheap
    nothing more important than your health. Research, increase your knowledge, stay healthy guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983 View Post

    You really have to experiment with what works best for you.

    Best advice I can give, is go all out in terms of your health... lose weight... hell, take vitamin c, lysine, Astaxanthin, glucosamine and any number of herbs/vitamins, they are all beneficial
    and work in synergy... if some don't work specifically for your problem, oh well... it all goes towards a more healthy you.
    Good advice...I agree totally.

    And don't be disappointed if you take one or two at a time and they don't work. As Dick says, we are all individuals and though (for instance) glucosamine works for some, it may not work at all for you.

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    Few years ago when mentioning my frequent joint (also shoulder) troubles over number of years I was advised by a good friend to taking a spoon of Apple Cider Vinegar (blended by honey or juice) every morning. Doing that (the wife as well) has really helped, the occurrences have ceased.

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    ACV with (Mother) *not my mother, cause that will just cause more pain...

    is very good for joints.. one of the things I've been taking.. I mix it with lemon juice and some baking soda... best taken on an empty stomach... *that combo... not me mother heh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983 View Post
    Glucosamine is supposed to work (just didn't do anything for me)... not saying you shouldn't try it... I tried so many different things - but learned so much about my body in the process..

    Everyone responds differently... I feel my injury (patella tendonitis) wasn't so much inflammatory - as say arthritis, which many confuse with.

    You really have to experiment with what works best for you.

    Best advice I can give, is go all out in terms of your health... lose weight... hell, take vitamin c, lysine, Astaxanthin, glucosamine and any number of herbs/vitamins, they are all beneficial
    and work in synergy... if some don't work specifically for your problem, oh well... it all goes towards a more healthy you.

    For instance (cringe) my sperm motility has gone through the roof (over 75%) thanks to all the supps I'm taking (L-Arginine, Vit C, Lysine, Macca, yada yada yada) I order from I-Herb... very cheap
    nothing more important than your health. Research, increase your knowledge, stay healthy guys.
    Clearly good advice .

    But I'm not sure about that bloody Latindancer .
    I took Turmeric .
    My knees still hurt but gallons of gas are being produced !!!!
    Is this a dirty little trick from Latindancer I do ask myself ??

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    Nah, LD is on the right track... Tumeric is great!

    Health Benefits of Turmeric

    Largely due to its curcumin content, Turmeric is often credited with these benefits:

    1. Fighting inflammation
    2. As an antioxidant
    3. Protects the heart in various ways
    4. Helpful for arthritis
    5. Brain boosting
    6. May be helpful for fighting diabetes and cancer


    Take it with black pepper to greatly enhance absorption...

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    ^ I just added some turmeric to my beans on toast. My knees feel great!

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    Jeez Wasp, I guess you'd better lay off the turmeric, eh ? Was it powdered or fresh ?

    I myself have it fresh every day with dinner, and don't have any problem with gas. Nothing out of the ordinary, anyhow. I did mention it is a long-term cure.....you won't feel much (or perhaps any) change on the short term. There is another thread somewhere here on TD in which people mention it a fair bit.

    And I stand by what I said about Celebrex. You only need to take that for a few days to see if you are suffering from inflammation or not. I myself fixed my back pain ( a couple of months suffering) with only 2 tablets one night.

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    I'm surprised he could get turmeric in a 7-11. I've never seen it for sale there. He's a lucky man his local 7-11 stocks it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    I'm surprised he could get turmeric in a 7-11. I've never seen it for sale there. He's a lucky man his local 7-11 stocks it.
    The first 7/11 I looked - they had it . In capsule . The second one also had it ....... so I think it's easy to get . But on the foil it's all Thai so there's no naming Turmeric . The small box holding the strips does show you the word .

    The simple advice about laying off the tiling was certainly right . And Ibuprofen was good too . Turmeric will stay as a long-term aid . Might not try Apple Cider Vinegar with Baking Soda AND Turmeric although Elon Musk might find a propellant use for that combination .


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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983 View Post
    I had tendonitis (of the knees) dunno if that's what you have, but I cured mine though doing squats (emphasizing the eccentric phase of the movement) 4-6 seconds down, 2 seconds up to failure.
    Sorry. Squats are the very last exercise you should be doing with knackered knees. This exercise actually causes damage and wear and tear on the joint and surrounding structures.
    Using stairs or step machines in moderation is as far as you should go.
    Sounds like wasp has osteo-arthritis, which is wear and tear on the joints. Sportsmen and carpet fitters get it in early middle age.
    Mine started at 42 due to long military service.
    Long term you will require joint replacement. The UK NHS only want to do it once so they make you wait, in the hope you will die of something else before they need to spend money on you.
    Interim treatment is anti inflammatory/analgesics.

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    I suggest glucosamine sulphate too. It works well for my wife and me. It is usually made from the shells of peeled shrimps. Some combine glucosamine with Chondroitine sulphate. I have no experience with that as Glucosamine by itself works for me. Take it for a month or two. If it does not work by then it won't help.

    But as you said, getting a diagnosis is always good. Glucosamine won't help with gout or tendonitis. It is probably the best medication for arthrititis though not frequently suggested by doctors because it is not a product of the pharma industry. It runs as food supplement. Your sports history suggests arthritis but that's a guess, not a diagnosis.
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    ^ Depends on the knee injury.

    Squats are one of the best exercises for patella tendonitis (which I had) I can't speak for arthritis or other degenerative diseases - but for tendonitis
    slow Eccentric Slant Board Squats, are key to recovery and vital in strengthening the tendons/muscles.



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    As a former paratrooper, I agree with Switch - squats are really rough on the knees...so much so that the Army eliminated them many years go from the daily fitness drills.

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    Squats are one of the most natural movements the human body makes...
    it's a myth that squats are bad for the knees... improper form while doing them, hell yeah!...

    “Contrary to commonly voiced concern, deep squats do not contribute increased risk of injury to passive tissues.”

    Source – Analysis of the load on the knee joint and vertebral column with changes in squatting depth and weight load.

    Squats aren’t bad of your knees…the way you are doing them is bad for your knees.

    Saying squats are bad for your knees is such a silly thing when you think about it. Every time you get out of a chair/take a dump/get out of your car – that’s a squat. As human beings we were MADE to squat! look at Thais squatting all the time...

    From an evolutionary perspective – if we couldn’t squat, we wouldn’t have been very good hunters. Ever try hiding standing up? Also…did you know that the first firing position initially taught to rifleman in the military was to fire from a deep squat? That’s right!!! It’s much easier for you to drop down into a squat position and get back up into a run then it is to lay all the way down on the ground, sight, fire, then get up. Maybe not in hunting a deer, but certainly in a fire fight against an enemy.

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    Squatting itself is not so bad if you do it once or perhaps a few times.

    Doing it repeatedly IS bad. And bouncing down and then up is the worst. Your calf muscle against your hamstring becomes the pivot point (fulcrum) of a lever system, and the knee joint is at the business end, getting levered apart. BAD !

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    ^^Well, that's the internet. You can find an article to back up virtually any point of view.

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    Yup, doing any movement.. however natural, is bad if given incorrect form...

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    Yup, doing any movement.. however natural, is bad if given incorrect form...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp View Post
    The simple advice about laying off the tiling was certainly right . And Ibuprofen was good too . Turmeric will stay as a long-term aid .
    How are the knees now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983 View Post
    Squats are one of the most natural movements the human body makes...
    it's a myth that squats are bad for the knees... improper form while doing them, hell yeah!...

    “Contrary to commonly voiced concern, deep squats do not contribute increased risk of injury to passive tissues.”

    Source – Analysis of the load on the knee joint and vertebral column with changes in squatting depth and weight load.

    Squats aren’t bad of your knees…the way you are doing them is bad for your knees.

    Saying squats are bad for your knees is such a silly thing when you think about it. Every time you get out of a chair/take a dump/get out of your car – that’s a squat. As human beings we were MADE to squat! look at Thais squatting all the time...

    From an evolutionary perspective – if we couldn’t squat, we wouldn’t have been very good hunters. Ever try hiding standing up? Also…did you know that the first firing position initially taught to rifleman in the military was to fire from a deep squat? That’s right!!! It’s much easier for you to drop down into a squat position and get back up into a run then it is to lay all the way down on the ground, sight, fire, then get up. Maybe not in hunting a deer, but certainly in a fire fight against an enemy.

    A final note. I was a firearms instructor in the Army. The position depicted above wasn't taught, simply because it was very unstable unless one was flexible enough to have one's butt practically brushing the ground, as pictured above. 99% of the troops couldn't stay steady in the squat. We taught prone, sitting, kneeling and standing - supported and unsupported. The squatting position might work for Asians, but it didn't for Americans... based on my 18 months as an instructor. BTW, the picture above is WW2 or earlier, based on the puttees.
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    Quote below.. Squats are bad for your knees - FALSE! Let's bust this myth.

    "The reason this was taken out was because people were complaining of knee pain. I’ve worked for the military, they don’t just throw out an idea and hope it works. This was a position that was used for hundreds of years that had to be changed in the mid 20th century due to people sitting more and not having good mobility and/or strength to perform this task.

    Then you have the biomechanics perspective – our knee joint is a hinge joint, it’s made to go from a full straightened position to a fully flexed position. Black, red, brown, white no matter your skin color, we are all built the EXACT SAME WAY. So, explain to me why entire continents of people can squat ass to grass (that means all the way down in fitness talk) with no pain? Often times when I throw this out to people, the answer I get the most of is – “because they do it often.”
    Exactly.

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