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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    I almost bought some rice malt today rather than the usual honey.....it's half the price, too. Never tried it before. I'll have to look up whether it is more likely to give me diabetes than honey, which has levulose and another sugar in it.
    Probably as bad as any sugar if you've got elevated blood sugar levels.

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    The Effects of Brown Rice Syrup on Blood Sugar | LIVESTRONG.COM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicethaiza
    I love rice but not sticky rice...
    Hearing a Thai say that is a first for me. I took family down South once and they almost starved while I tried to find somewhere that sold sticky rice.

    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    Sticky rice refers to a way of preparation, less a particular type of rice.
    Glutinous rice is a totally different strain to Jasmine rice and needs to be prepared differently.






    I grow both types on the farm, although only 1 or 2 Rai are Jasmine since only I eat this rice.

    The glutinous rice is a major cause of diabetes and I no longer eat it. I have tried to wean the diabetes sufferers in the village off it...not an easy task. They also have to be careful with the small bananas.

    Jasmine rice, rather than being bad, is much better for diabetes than potatoes and my Dr recommended I switch to an Asian diet, which has worked pretty well.

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    Long time dead Troy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post

    Jasmine rice, rather than being bad, is much better for diabetes than potatoes and my Dr recommended I switch to an Asian diet, which has worked pretty well.
    Real culprits: modern potatoes and Western-style breads.
    Betcha wouldn't hear of the long-term ill effects of these items from the my cultural diet is quite superior than others crowd....

    Yet, convinced themselves otherwise - existing their splendid fantasy.

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    Lower socio-economic status has been linked to depression and obesity, where diets high in fats and carbohydrates have led to development of diabetes (especially late onset diabetes). This situation has existed for thousands of years.

    In the archaeological and historical record, the lower classes ate fatty meat, corn, wheat, rice, potatoes, they ended up with a higher prevalence of caries and diabetes than their rulers, who had a diet far lower in starches.

    In the diets of the ruling classes, fish, lean meat and vegetables predominated, while starches were a high energy food provided to the working classes, farmers, labourers and slaves in order to increase work output.

    It was only when an agricultural economy was capable of producing sufficient carbohydrates did they undertake monumental architecture, such as Stonehenge, the pyramids of Egypt, the Angkor/Khmer city complexes and the temple cities of South America.

    Historians as far back as 3-4000 years ago recorded and commented on the prevalence of diabetes in those days.

    An increase in consumption of a combination of fats, refined carbohydrates, as in breads etc, potatoes, noodles, rice, sugary foods and drinks and lack of exercise is the cause for firstly obesity leading to increased diabetes rates in Thailand, and again, more prevalent in the working classes or poor, than in the Thai upper classes, IMO.
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    List the symptoms ENT.

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    List the symptoms ENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    Hearing a Thai say that is a first for me. I took family down South once and they almost starved while I tried to find somewhere that sold sticky rice.
    I dont know other people but I eat sticky rice when I stay at issan but not every time maybe one time a day or have to cook rice too..I feel sleepy when I eat a lot sticky rice..and in BKK I will eat less ...only if I cant avoid it so I have to eat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    Real culprits: modern potatoes and Western-style breads. Betcha wouldn't hear of the long-term ill effects of these items from the my cultural diet is quite superior than others crowd.... Yet, convinced themselves otherwise - existing their splendid fantasy.
    no argument from me... over processed white bread, white rice, pasta, pastries, cereal, etc = no no... bad carbs...

    Bread is the staff of life (my arse)... of course, wholemeal/organic/gluten-free are much healthier options..

    Fook, even my absolute favorite, the mighty Milk, is frowned upon by Science (bastards)...

    We are supposed to eat small quantities of meat, with lots of veges and some 'good fats'... coconut oil, cold pressed virgin olive oil, etc..

    Science sucks all the fun out of life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicethaiza View Post
    .I feel sleepy when I eat a lot sticky rice..and in BKK I will eat less ...only if I cant avoid it so I have to eat...
    Check your blood sugar levels if you eat lots of rice/carbs/sweet food, are still hungry and skinny, feel tired/sleepy, have low energy, blurry/fluctuating vision, dry mouth, itchy skin, frequently thirsty for no apparent reason and piss frequently (8-12 times a day or more).

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    Dr. ENT you really are a class act.

    Women over 40 piss for the sake of just sitting down and texting.

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    Hi Aunty.

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    No need for that ENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Check your blood sugar levels if you eat lots of rice/carbs/sweet food, are still hungry and skinny, feel tired/sleepy, have low energy, blurry/fluctuating vision, dry mouth, itchy skin, frequently thirsty for no apparent reason and piss frequently (8-12 times a day or more).
    Going for a wee 8-12 times a day is too much, even for really high sugar levels...or did you mean going on the piss that often?

    I would say having to get up during the night more than once to go to the loo would be on the high side unless you have just had a skinful. During the day it is a bad sign if you need to know where the nearest toilet is when going out and about.

    The first sign I had and have seen this often with others, now I know, is a deformed fingernail.

    The old wives' tale that the bottom of your feet are no longer ticklish is a myth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    Real culprits: modern potatoes and Western-style breads. Betcha wouldn't hear of the long-term ill effects of these items from the my cultural diet is quite superior than others crowd.... Yet, convinced themselves otherwise - existing their splendid fantasy.
    no argument from me... over processed white bread, white rice, pasta, pastries, cereal, etc = no no... bad carbs...

    Bread is the staff of life (my arse)... of course, wholemeal/organic/gluten-free are much healthier options..

    Fook, even my absolute favorite, the mighty Milk, is frowned upon by Science (bastards)...

    We are supposed to eat small quantities of meat, with lots of veges and some 'good fats'... coconut oil, cold pressed virgin olive oil, etc..

    Science sucks all the fun out of life...
    Pedantic correction: Only particular varieties of milk are looked upon suspiciously. If your an open and bright guy, you can probably figure out what type of milk I speak of...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Check your blood sugar levels if you eat lots of rice/carbs/sweet food, are still hungry and skinny, feel tired/sleepy, have low energy, blurry/fluctuating vision, dry mouth, itchy skin, frequently thirsty for no apparent reason and piss frequently (8-12 times a day or more).
    Going for a wee 8-12 times a day is too much, even for really high sugar levels...or did you mean going on the piss that often?
    4 - 7 times a day max is considered normal especially if you drink 2 - 3 litres of fluids a day. A full bladder holds around a pint of urine, but the urge to piss is usually felt at around half that volume.
    I would say having to get up during the night more than once to go to the loo would be on the high side unless you have just had a skinful.
    Agree, can also be a sign of prostate problems.
    During the day it is a bad sign if you need to know where the nearest toilet is when going out and about.
    Terrifying. Or worse, needing to go for a piss on a longhaul flight.
    The first sign I had and have seen this often with others, now I know, is a deformed fingernail.
    That's an interesting sign, can indicate several things including renal and cardiac /circulatory problems.
    Really deformed (scooped) fingernails can also indicate iron deficiency or hypothyroidism.
    Perhaps in your case it's more of an ingrown nail and/or fungal infection often found in diabetics. Hard to say without a better description, so don't let my opinions worry you! I assume you've already had that condition checked out anyway.
    The old wives' tale that the bottom of your feet are no longer ticklish is a myth.
    Never heard of that one!

    Diabetes runs in the family on my mother's side, my gran, mum a nephew and now one of my daughters has it, so possibly my granddaughter too.

    Touch wood, no late onset (type 2) signs in me yet.

    Gymnema's the herb of choice in treating diabetes in my book. It's a brilliant plant, reduces cholesterol, lowers water retention, is a muscle relaxant and removes the desire for sweet things too. There are other plants that can help, ginger, cinnamon, for instance.
    Vit B3 also reputedly works but check with a doctor before going onto high dose Vit B3, which I use a lot of....found in most nuts, especially peanuts, liver and oily fish.

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    From the NNT this morning. It doesn't say if this is a white rice or something like riceberry.

    MOAC promotes low-sugar Kor Khor 43 rice strain

    BANGKOK, 15 May 2017 (NNT) – The Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives (MOAC) has praised the low-sugar Kor Khor 43 rice strain as the ideal balance between weight control and health benefits.

    MOAC spokesman Parinya Phengsombat disclosed that the MOAC has encouraged the Thai public to consume rice for its health benefits, and there has constantly been research and development of new rice strains as alternatives and in response to consumer demand.

    The Rice Department has cooperated with the Faculty of Medicine, Ramathibodi Hospital, Mahidol University, conducted a study on 120 popular rice strains to detect the amount of glucose which easily dissolves in a rice grain and affects the blood sugar levels.

    After close analysis of the blood sugar levels after consuming various rice samples. the Kor Khor 43 rice strain scored a sugar index of 57.5, the lowest figure among all samples, which is ideal for weight control.

    The low-sugar Kor Khor 43 rice strain is commonly found in Suphan Buri and Chainat provinces, and the Rice Department plans to include it into the mega farm project under the comprehensive rice production and marketing plan to meet market demands in the future.

    http://nwnt.prd.go.th/CenterWeb/News....KULu3xPN.dpuf

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    Good news about KK43 rice, at GI 57.5 which puts it in the mid range of GI foods.
    If this new strain is husked and polished though, as most rice is, then most of its vitamin and fibre value is lost, so not necessarily the healthiest dietary option among rice strains, depending on its processing.

    Other commonly available rice with even lower GI are;

    Brown rice, without husk, but retaining the thin membranous pericarp and germ @ GI of 50. Slow glucose release, contains essential fibre vitamins and minerals.

    Parboiled rice is can be even healthier for you because of, a much lower GI of 38, on average, but can reach very high GI levels, again depending on the processing method used, some brands are better than others.

    Parboiled rice retains most of the nutrients contained in brown rice, especially Vits B2, B3 (essential in converting starches/carbohydrates/sugars to energy) and B6.

    High GI foods release glucose rapidly, low GI foods contain slow release sugars, so no sugar "spikes".

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    The deformed fingernail problem was fungal related in the ones I had and observed in others. It takes about 9 months to grow a decent nail back .

    I use over the counter Boots Dermo cream in Thailand for fungal infections on the hands, which I used to get before my diabetes was under control. It is pretty decent stuff.

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    Carrots with Mash is a life saver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The deformed fingernail problem was fungal related in the ones I had and observed in others. It takes about 9 months to grow a decent nail back .

    I use over the counter Boots Dermo cream in Thailand for fungal infections on the hands, which I used to get before my diabetes was under control. It is pretty decent stuff.
    Glad to hear it, so now no big problem.
    Weird thing, diabetes/hyperglycemia, Mam had that same problem in her big toes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    Pedantic correction: Only particular varieties of milk are looked upon suspiciously. If your an open and bright guy, you can probably figure out what type of milk I speak of...
    I guess you mean avoid standard cow's milk, my obtuse friend...

    I know almond milk/soy milk are supposed to be more healthy alternatives.. which we use as well...

    The latest science update I read, was that milk actually leached calcium from the bones. It's custom designed for cows (not for humans)

    But if anyone has a recent update as to the health benefits of cow's milk, please advise.. as I love milk (even more than beer lol)...

    http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

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    I drink loads of milk, at least a pint a day, eat milk products, as in cheeses, yoghurt and whey powder, but balance the calcium intake of a recommended 1.5 gm a day by eating Vit D rich foods or wandering around in the early morning sun for half an hour a day for Vit D.

    Eat as much magnesium as possible, in nuts and grains,green veges and magnesium supplements if need be,...equal quantities of magnesium as calcium being a recommended optimum, so avoiding calcification of heart and arteries, kidney stones and low uptake of iron in the diet.

    Milk per se is not a health risk as many claim.
    Hormones fed to dairy cows are broken down in the human stomach and passed through, so not a problem.
    Residual agri-chemicals are also broken down in the stomach and liver, then filtered out by kidneys or further removed by anti-oxidant rich foods.
    High fat levels in milk are again no problem as the fats are needed in the ketosis cycle to provide needed glucose levels for energy.

    If, however, you're on a high carbohydrate diet, the danger of high sugars is compounded by high fat levels in milk and milk products resulting in elevated LDL cholesterol and triglyceride levels, which cholesterol then binds with excess calcium in the blood stream to create plaque, which blocks the arteries, resulting in higher BP, with bits of plaque breaking off leading to coronary and brain embolisms, ie brain damage, heart attacks and strokes.

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    ^ Thanks for that ENT...

    Any excuse to guzzle gallons of milk, much appreciated... (love the stuff).. no hormones in Kiwi milk since forever (so I'm told) it's illegal... chickens too... was a rumor, but our Kiwi milk is hormone free... correct me if I'm wrong mate...

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