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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983 View Post
    Yup, that's why I go to the gym on an empty stomach...

    Fasting (not fisting) is one of the most healthy things you can do for your body/longevity.

    The modern mantra of 3 square meals a day, is not how our body operates at its best.


    Although recently, I've forced myself to eat a few scoops of natural yogurt, with a few nuts, just so that I can take some fat soluble vitamins (fish oil - flax seed oil)... skip lunch, then a healthy (low-carb) dinner.
    Yeah, NZD

    After my body got used to it - and this did not take long, only a couple of days, I actually could start work at 8:30 AM and work steady and not eat until 2:30 PM feeling just fine with energy mentally and physically. No problem whatsoever.

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    IF = utter bollocks.

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    Agreed, especially for the gullible and naive like CP.

    Just eat when you are hungry. Listen to your body. It has developed over thousands of years and it works just fine, until you start fucking with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    Agreed, especially for the gullible and naive like CP.

    Just eat when you are hungry. Listen to your body. It has developed over thousands of years and it works just fine, until you start fucking with it.
    Eating only when hungry is where iam at these days and have lost 40kg in 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui
    Just eat when you are hungry. Listen to your body
    This.

    It's not fucking rocket surgery.

    IF, paleo, no-carbs, whatever the fuck is in trend at the moment, they're all utter shit. Sure some may actually work to varying degrees but it's like painting your car fluorescent colors, converting it to rear-seat drive, putting the engine on the roof, and then going on about how you can drive it now. Just get in the fucking thing and drive it without arsing around!

    All that matters is calories in vs. calories out. Everything else - macros, micro-nutrients etc. - comes after that. You can lose weight or gain muscle eating nothing but Mc Fucking Donalds as long as you have your calorie consumption/equation correct: eat below maintenance, lose weight; eat above it, gain weight.

    And while I'm at it, no/low carbs?! What the blazing bejesus fuck is that about?? Sure if you want to crash and burn and have no energy then don't eat any carbs. The only time you should manipulate carbs is if you're in the final stages or prep cutting for a bodybuilding or physique competition and I'm just gonna go ahead and assume that applies to precisely nobody on here. So fuck your fuckity-fuck-fuck no/low carbs! A diet that excludes something is by definition not a balanced diet!

    Rant over. Probably burnt some calories during that one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui
    Just eat when you are hungry. Listen to your body
    This.

    It's not fucking rocket surgery.

    IF, paleo, no-carbs, whatever the fuck is in trend at the moment, they're all utter shit. Sure some may actually work to varying degrees but it's like painting your car fluorescent colors, converting it to rear-seat drive, putting the engine on the roof, and then going on about how you can drive it now. Just get in the fucking thing and drive it without arsing around!

    All that matters is calories in vs. calories out. Everything else - macros, micro-nutrients etc. - comes after that. You can lose weight or gain muscle eating nothing but Mc Fucking Donalds as long as you have your calorie consumption/equation correct: eat below maintenance, lose weight; eat above it, gain weight.

    And while I'm at it, no/low carbs?! What the blazing bejesus fuck is that about?? Sure if you want to crash and burn and have no energy then don't eat any carbs. The only time you should manipulate carbs is if you're in the final stages or prep cutting for a bodybuilding or physique competition and I'm just gonna go ahead and assume that applies to precisely nobody on here. So fuck your fuckity-fuck-fuck no/low carbs! A diet that excludes something is by definition not a balanced diet!

    Rant over. Probably burnt some calories during that one!
    What about the urine diet? It's worked amazingly for Earl. He lost a kilo of brain-mass in the first week!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    et? It's worked amazingly for Earl. He lost a kilo of brain-mass in the first week!
    I don't believe he ever had that much to use in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    What about the urine diet? It's worked amazingly for Earl. He lost a kilo of brain-mass in the first week!


    Well there goes my theory, what the fuck do I know, you can't argue with results like that!!

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    I love six pack...and I think its nice if have it in girls too...I see in youtube or TV...I think I will try after my body its ok...after 1 or 2 month I think..if who have a tip let me know ..thanks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicethaiza
    if who have a tip let me know
    Just the tip?

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    Everything you want to tell...you can...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicethaiza
    if who have a tip let me know
    You'll need to get to around 15% body-fat depending on your genetics.

    Work out what your maintenance is, start at -300 calories per day less than that, monitor your weight / body-fat, after a couple of weeks subtract another 100 calories and repeat until you're at around -500 calories less than maintenance.

    During all this keep your protein intake high to avoid losing muscle mass.

    If you plateau and aren't losing body-fat after a few weeks you can drop -100 - 200 calories but don't go lower than -800 because it's not good for you and needless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicethaiza
    if who have a tip let me know
    You'll need to get to around 15% body-fat depending on your genetics.

    Work out what your maintenance is, start at -300 calories per day less than that, monitor your weight / body-fat, after a couple of weeks subtract another 100 calories and repeat until you're at around -500 calories less than maintenance.

    During all this keep your protein intake high to avoid losing muscle mass.

    If you plateau and aren't losing body-fat after a few weeks you can drop -100 - 200 calories but don't go lower than -800 because it's not good for you and needless.
    Ant is spot-on.

    Kudos.

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    Could all cold pizza fruit loop crazy psychic medium exercise threads be merged so that fruit loops might better enjoy them in a single convenient location? Please moderators.

    Combine with Earl's threads where appropriate so all the whack jobs can feel nice and safe.

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    Worth updating.

    I've been doing IF for 3-4+ weeks and it is very interesting in what it does to the mind and body.

    I am going beyond 18:6 most days, often having my first meal of the day after 4 pm and sometimes after 5 pm. I get up around 6-7 AM daily now (new job).

    I do NOT feel hungry at all. Not at all, 95% of the time.

    I go for a walk for an hour to hour and half. Heart rate is kept below 130 per minute.

    Around 3ish pm I go to the gym and lift weights.

    No hunger, no lack of energy.

    After I finish in the gym I eat my first meal of the day, the post work out meal.


    During my IF during the day I drink:

    Apple Cider Vinegar: 1-2 tablespoons win 10 oz of water with,
    Cream of Tarter. 1/4 to 1/2 tsp (for potassium replenishment with,
    1/4 tsb of natural Sea Salt

    This replenishes your body and can gives you energy. You need potassium and the sodium from the sea salt.

    Also, on rare occasion that I feel hungry Apple Cider Vinegar with quash any hunger immediately.


    I'll post 4 very informative people and give sample of the short presentations in a while.

    They are:

    Greg O'gallagher
    (Kinobody)
    Tom DeLaur (very informative, but on the "sciency-biological" side at times)
    Gavin Mehl - Inspirational very upbeat regular guy who makes a lof of vids.
    Dr. Jason Fung (who wrote a best-selling book on IF. I'm still reading it.
    Dr. Berg
    Gravity Training. A very comprehensive, straight to the point youtube, channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grampa View Post
    I've been doing IF for 3-4+ weeks and it is very interesting in what it does to the mind and body.
    Difficult to think of a better reason to stay away from it then, really.

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    Did you fast in jail? Would have been a lot better than baloney sandwiches on white bread buddy... Come out lean and ripped but my guess would be you lived on doritos from the commissary.

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    I am a firm believer in fasting for health. It is the most beneficial thing you can do for your body. Eat less = live longer.

    I was 85 kg in NZ - when I started IF, I'm not down to around 72 kg (might be less, haven't checked recently). It's great to be able to wear 30" jeans
    like I did in my teens. I always start the day with lemon, ACV and baking soda/water... usually have yogurt with nuts or fruit for lunch - but that's it until dinner (early).
    Nothing else has been successful in my last ditch attempt at attaining a six-pack. Gradual calorie restriction might work in ones 20's, but not in our 30's are our metabolism slows down.

    We have been led to believe 3 square meals a day is necessary/compulsory, where in fact, it's just a modern concept, has zero to do with our metabolic needs and has just been promoted by the major food corporations for profit.

    Our dogmatic adherence to mealtimes is anti-science - and may actually be making us sick.

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    Historian Abigail Carroll, author of the book Three Squares: The Invention of the American Meal, explained to me that the the thrice-daily eating schedule goes back at least as far as the Middle Ages in Europe. When European settlers got to America, they also imported their meal habits: a light meal—maybe cold mush and radishes—in the morning, a heavier, cooked one midday, and a third meal similar to the first one later in the day. They observed that the eating schedule of the native tribes was less rigid—the volume and timing of their eating varied with the seasons. Sometimes, when food was scarce, they fasted.

    The Europeans took this as “evidence that natives were uncivilized,” Carroll explained to me in an email. “Civilized people ate properly and boundaried their eating, thus differentiating themselves from the animal kingdom, where grazing is the norm.” (So fascinated were Europeans with tribes’ eating patterns, notes Carroll, that they actually watched Native Americans eat “as a form of entertainment.”)

    The three daily meals that the settlers brought evolved with Americans’ lifestyles. As people became more prosperous, they added meat to breakfast and dinner. After the Industrial Revolution, when people began to work away from home, the midday meal became a more casual affair, and the cooked meal shifted to the end of the day, when workers came home. The one thing that did not change was the overall amount of food that people ate—despite the fact that they had largely abandoned the active lifestyles of the farm in favor of sedentary ones in cities and suburbs. “People were still eating these giant country breakfasts,” says Carroll. Soon, doctors reported that more of their patients were suffering from indigestion.
    In an effort to rein in caloric intake, nutritionists began advising people to eat a lighter breakfast—and marketers pounced on the opportunity. In 1897, brothers Will Keith Kellogg and John Harvey Kellogg introduced corn flakes as healthy alternative to heavy breakfasts. (The pair had an ulterior motive: They wanted to spread the gospel of the vegetarian diet because it was part of their Seventh Day Adventist faith.)
    Corn flakes took off, and in the years that followed, breakfast became known as a meal for health food. Fruit-grower associations seized the opportunity to market juices, which, the ad campaigns announced, were chock full of a newly discovered thing called vitamins. The makers of breakfast foods warned of the dangers of skipping “the most important meal of the day.”

    And breakfast isn’t the only metabolically unimportant meal. In fact, it doesn’t seem to matter much at all how and when you get your calories. In a 2010 study published in the British Journal of Nutrition, one group ate three meals a day while another ate six. (Total daily calorie counts were identical.) Researchers found no weight or hormonal differences between the groups. In 2014, University of Warwick researchers found no difference in metabolism between a group of women that ate two meals a day and another group that ate five.


    The one thing that might actually improve your metabolism is periodic fasting—that’s right, the very same eating pattern that the early European settlers deemed uncivilized. Mark Mattson, a neuroscientist at the National Institute on Aging, has observed in a series of mice experiments over the past two decades that mice who skip feedings are leaner and live longer than their nonskipping counterparts. The fasting mice also have more robust brain cells than those who consume regular meals. Mattson, who skips breakfast and lunch most days, that caloric deprivation acts as a mild stress that helps cells build up their defenses—warding off damage from aging, environmental toxins, and other threats. Other research has shown that periodic fasting may also prevent heart disease.

    Biologist Satchidananda Panda of the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, meanwhile, observed in a 2012 study that mice consuming all of their calories within an eight-hour window were less likely to develop metabolic diseases like diabetes than those who ate whenever they pleased. A follow-up study last year confirmed the results—though no one has conducted similar studies in humans.

    So should you quit meals and fast intermittently instead? You could try it. Christopher Ochner, a weight loss and nutrition expert at Mt. Sinai Hospital in New York, notes that there’s no one-size-fits-all solution: Some people do well eating all their calories at once; others prefer to split them into snack-size portions.
    Instead of obsessing about meal size and frequency, Ochner recommends something simpler: Don’t eat when it’s time for a meal; eat when you feel hungry. That, he says, is a lost art: In industrialized societies, where food is abundant, we eat because of social cues “or just because something smells good.” If we can teach ourselves to pay attention to our own bodies instead of our environment, he says, “that might be the best diet of all.”

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    ^ Thank you, NZD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983 View Post
    I am a firm believer in fasting for health. It is the most beneficial thing you can do for your body. Eat less = live longer.

    I was 85 kg in NZ - when I started IF, I'm not down to around 72 kg (might be less, haven't checked recently). It's great to be able to wear 30" jeans
    like I did in my teens. I always start the day with lemon, ACV and baking soda/water... usually have yogurt with nuts or fruit for lunch - but that's it until dinner (early).
    Nothing else has been successful in my last ditch attempt at attaining a six-pack. Gradual calorie restriction might work in ones 20's, but not in our 30's are our metabolism slows down.

    We have been led to believe 3 square meals a day is necessary/compulsory, where in fact, it's just a modern concept, has zero to do with our metabolic needs and has just been promoted by the major food corporations for profit.

    Our dogmatic adherence to mealtimes is anti-science - and may actually be making us sick.

    Quote:

    bleuaghh [and other bulemic rasping sounds]

    ...author of the book...

    It's all the rage...

    Jump in sales of low-alcohol drinks and internet searches for vegan food



    Vegan food can be embraced and enjoyed as part of the Christmas and new year celebrationsCultura/REX/ShutterstockNew Year’s Eve was once the last big blow-out before the good intentions kicked in but, if supermarket sales are any guide, Britons plan to welcome 2018 with remarkable moderation.
    Waitrose has reported a 20 per cent jump in sales of non-alcoholic beer and low-alcoholic drinks, plus a five-fold increase in vegan food searches on its website before tomorrow night.
    Searches for the recipe for a vegan “nutty pithivier [a French pie] with watercress and pistachio pesto” were up 580 per cent compared with last year while those for the recipe for a “potato, parsnip & pea curry with apple chutney” rose by more than 10,000 per cent.
    Sales of low-sugar adult soft drinks, including brands such as Belvoir and Shloer, increased by 125 per…

    Want to re
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/j...food-k09c3tllj

    ...speaking of rage
    despite what lonely angry forum window-lickers like Ant say, there is science (and a bit of economics) behind eating and drinking less... I think drinking less probably has a bigger impact, because aside from the obvious benefits to your liver and skin etc, it reduces the amount of troughing and munching and sitting around you do.

    I think in olden days - serfs used to eat dinner as one formal meal in the day, and due to the influx of ponces from the continent in 1066, dinner in the south of England shifted later and later, until they had to invent a thing called "lunch", whilst in the north, dinner stayed where it is, and supper persisted in the evening. Etymologically, it kind of suggests that people in those days of yore ate a big meal in the daytime and a small meal in the evening, and didn't read self-help scrolls or watch ye olde thoutube channels... they probably burnt a few calories in the fields every day, instead of riding sidesaddle gazing into their handmirrors twiddling their moustache hair like so many hipster guardian readers do these days.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1F2i0rYMj8

    we are all figments of our own imagination.

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    This is short and concise. Very well done.

    How fasting shrinks fat cells and even has the body use dead cells in the body.


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