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    jing jing.. Doctors are not trained nutritionists.. they have basic knowledge on this topic, it is not their specialty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983
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    ...two roads diverged in the supplement thread...

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    ^^ Very true, Dick.
    I had to argue tooth and nail with my doctors in NZ for them to prescribe the vitamins and minerals necessary for my turn around therapy 3 years ago.

    Barring one doctor, who agreed with my theories almost to a 'T', all the GPs and nurses at the hospital were stuck in the dark ages when it came to recent findings, and as that one doctor said, "You know that doctors are essentially there to diagnose obvious conditions and to sell pharmacological products, for which they're paid to prescribe."

    Very few GP's read to keep up with latest research, preferring to swallow the cordial that the drug industry feeds them, and get paid for it.
    “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? John 10:34.

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    Thanks ENT.

    TC has brought up some good points - reckless use of low quality supplements without research and proper implementation into your existing diet, can be risky (just like ingesting bad quality food) one must be careful in selection.

    Good that she (or he??) has brought balance to this thread, otherwise it would just be us health geeks, high fiving each other's latest purchase.

    Once we move to Japan, out diet will naturally improve, then I will reduce my reliance on supplements, to reflect our improved diet.

    I mainly supplement with herbs, that are not common in our diet anyway, try and stay away from pills *old school, in favor of powders that are closest to its most natural form.

    *copied from Good Green Stuff website.

    "The real power of Good Green Stuff is in its high concentration of fruits, berries, vegetables, green algae, and herbs: – a potent blend of nutrient-rich and high antioxidant superfoods. This is REAL FOOD, RAW and ALIVE as nature intended, not a synthetic multi-vitamin. It’s NUTRITION that your body recognizes and can use"

    I reckon Good Green Stuff would win over even the ever cynical TC... best Kiwi health food product by far IMHO... not cheap though.

    TC, honest question... have you ever taken any supplements? oh, with respect, are you a lady or a man?

    Do you concede the Propolis we bought today, has any health benefits whatsoever? that's 210 capsules of honeybee pure goodness, 6 months supply. Or we would have been better off buying a bag of spuds and carrots? *not that we didn't buy tatties and carrots...
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    I'd eat natural products instead of manufactured or derived supplements if I could find such unpolluted foods, which are a rarity on the open market, these days.

    I eat locally grown, organic Thai greens, cha om, chiang da and pak bung, some hill grown black rice at times and purple sweet potato along with oats, assorted nuts and seeds, thick skinned fruits, organic free range eggs, some free range organically fed chicken, sardines, Kiwi or Oz whey powder and gelatine, live yoghurt, and milk, so keeping inorganic chemical pollution in my food to an acceptable minimum.

    Selenium, iodine and magnesium as well as Vits B and C are my only necessary added 'supplements' as such, not to mention a few simple herbs.

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    All sounds very healthy ENT. How is your energy level?

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    Damned good really, stamina's good, no lack of sleep, don't get tired out during intense workouts and training, endurance is grand as I eat enough carbs pre-workout.

    BP the other day at 115/65 pulse 60 at rest, no muscle spasms in legs or arms, unless I neglect my potassium (bananas) or magnesium (veges and nuts plus magnesium tablets). I need to source magnesium chloride liquid. Any clues where to score the stuff in Thailand?

    Vit B3 as nicotinamide's OK for ATP production, but I really want nicotinic acid, unavailable in Thailand, so far, so will have to make it myself from organic tobacco,..the missus, a serologist, thinks it's a grand idea so look's like we'll be growing our own baccy ....soon, I hope, in a sterile environment, pots suspended and covered in a tunnel/greenhouse to avoid tobacco beetle and tobacco mosaic virus, using collected rain water and sterilized home made compost with organic chook shit fertilizer, a 3 month crop.

    Next step is full production of Nicotinamide riboside, finally got the production method worked out.

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    Definitely a good hobby to take up here in Thailand. One's health and growing supplements can only benefit the individual. All I do at the moment is try and eat healthy and stay stress free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983
    TC, honest question... have you ever taken any supplements?
    Yes, I'm taking Vitamin D now as a recent blood test indicated a deficiency...used to take a daily vitamin decades ago until my family doctor said I was making expensive urine; he suggested I maintain a balanced Med diet and never give nutrition another thought unless tests indicated a problem: wise advice, imo...
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    are you a lady or a man?
    ...which do you prefer? I have an accommodating wardrobe...
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    Do you concede the Propolis we bought today, has any health benefits whatsoever?
    I have no idea...but I do maintain a healthy skepticism concerning the extravagant claims declared by the folks, besandaled or in business suits, about their various products...very much like "organic" produce: doesn't pass my smell test...
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    Good input, TC.

    There are tens of thousands of supplements, herbs, tonics, etc... some would have negligible health benefits, some have modest, and some have incredible health benefits.

    I do believe the power of nature/herbs, etc... can be equally, or more powerful than pharmaceuticals. However, both massive profitable industries are contaminated with deceit, lies, mistruths... it's up to us, to educate ourselves into making wise health decisions for ourselves... (cue violin) dance kitty, dance...

    TC... I swear, I think I am the only fool who still doesn't know your sex

    it puts me at a huge disadvantage. You have a gender neutral writing style - very endearing BTW... (I guess woman).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983
    TC... I swear, I think I am the only fool who still doesn't know your sex

    it puts me at a huge disadvantage.
    Don't be silly...think of the surprise after cocktails...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Definitely a good hobby to take up here in Thailand. One's health and growing supplements can only benefit the individual. All I do at the moment is try and eat healthy and stay stress free.
    Interesting and welcome feed back.

    Food is medicine, so is regular and adequate exercise and non-artefact stress reduction, such as calm reflection on things, such as meditation.

    Keep smiling.

    By the by, have you read anything about NRiboside?
    The manufacture and sales/promo side of things is a right bit of skull-duggery, as the final product is horribly overpriced.

    I used to work in credit control at ER Squibb, Olin Matheson's pharmacetical base in UK as a young fella. It was an eye opener, as I had to cross link with bought ledger/incoming goods, and the costs dept, the cashier's desk, the comptometer operators and our office comptroller, a guy with a photographic memory who I learned to rely on if incorrect data popped up.

    I had to feed all daily calculations (done with pencil on paper and aided by a little adding machine) to our new IBM 500 computer dept. ( a big room full of frames, the search engine was an electric motor driven contraption that ran the length of the room on railway tracks) one of only three such computers at the time in UK, which could never come up with a 0 balance.

    Being an adept numbers cruncher I was tasked to sort out the aberrant miscellaneous ledger, which I'd identified as the source of the yearly budgetary shemozzle, 12 years of miss-accounting, cracked it in three days, so given a wage rise, then sacked and rehired with another wage rise, promoted to a salaried position as manager, all in the same day.

    Company profits were then approx 36:1 of cost of production, on average, for all of Squibb's products, so you can understand where I come from with my anti Big Pharma stance.

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    Can't say that I have read much on NRiboside, but let me do some research.

    I agree that pharmaceutical companies charge way too much for their products, particularly in the US. I always got the R/D lecture when questioning cost and that wore off after being in the pharmacist business a couple of years. Yes, it does cost quite a bit of money to develope a new drug and then go through all the extensive testing that the FDA requires before allowing it to be sold. My question always was why isn't the cost of that drug reduced after all costs are recovered? No drug rep could ever give me a strait answer in 34 years, so the R/D answer about cost never cut the mustard with me.

    Nutrition is a large part of our curriculum in the US and pharmacists are often asked questions about supplements in the US as well. This is why I am interested in the topic and seek out additional information that I was not told in the past. I am not sure how other countries handle this issue, but here in Thailand it seems to be a combination of Chinese medicine and local folklore. I am interested in both since it is a different approach than what I was taught. I personally believe that there are several ways to approach the health and nutrition question and I am always on the lookout for logical and effective alernatives. There is no such thing as one shoe fits all, so each of us needs to seek out what works best for one's self.

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    ...an interesting read about vitamin D leads me to reconsider taking a supplement:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/h...an-region&_r=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983 View Post
    jing jing.. Doctors are not trained nutritionists.. they have basic knowledge on this topic, it is not their specialty.
    Most doctors in the US only take 1 nutrition class during medical school.

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    Most nutritionists are specialists working in hospitals, asylums and jails, or anywhere that deals with larger volumes of people, rather than working on specific dietary disorders.
    Doctors may, if you're lucky, refer you to one if your blood tests come back really screwy, otherwise the clinic nurse is probably more onto the nutritional problems you may have than the doctor is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983 View Post
    jing jing.. Doctors are not trained nutritionists.. they have basic knowledge on this topic, it is not their specialty.
    Most doctors in the US only take 1 nutrition class during medical school.
    Doctors know nothing about nutrition in the US, and they will consult with a pharmacist or registered dietician if they have any questions. They are only around to diagnose and treat.

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