Thread: Supplements

I've been watching and reading James Tiny Vest, Cutler, others, and now this fella:

BCAAs do slow fat loss and it does kill Ketosis.

Here's why:

Originally Posted by ENT

Live longer with Vitamin B3.

Other Names:
3-Pyridine Carboxamide, 3-Pyridinecarboxylic Acid, Acide Nicotinique, Acide Pyridine-Carboxylique-3, Amide de l’Acide Nicotinique, Anti-Blacktongue Factor, Antipellagra Factor, B Complex Vitamin, Complexe de Vitamines B, Facteur Anti-Pellagre, Niacin-Niacinamide, Niacin/Niacinamide, Niacina y Niacinamida, Niacinamide, Niacine, Niacine et Niacinamide, Nicamid, Nicosedine, Nicotinamide, Nicotinic Acid, Nicotinic Acid Amide, Nicotylamidum, Pellagra Preventing Factor, Vitamin B3, Vitamin PP, Vitamina B3, Vitamine B3, Vitamine PP.


NIACIN AND NIACINAMIDE VITAMIN B3 OVERVIEW INFORMATION
Niacin and niacinamide are forms of Vitamin B3. Vitamin B3 is found in many foods including yeast, meat, fish, milk, eggs, green vegetables, beans, and cereal grains. Niacin and niacinamide are also found in many vitamin B complex supplements with other B vitamins.

Niacin is used for high cholesterol. It is also used along with other treatments for circulation problems, migraine headache, dizziness, and to reduce the diarrhea associated with cholera. Niacin is also used for preventing positive urine drug screens in people who take illegal drugs.

Niacinamide is used for treating diabetes and two skin conditions called bullous pemphigoid and granuloma annulare.

Niacin or niacinamide is used for preventing vitamin B3 deficiency and related conditions such as pellagra. Each of these forms of vitamin B3 is used for schizophrenia, hallucinations due to drugs, Alzheimer’s disease and age-related loss of thinking skills, chronic brain syndrome, depression, motion sickness, alcohol dependence, and fluid collection (edema).

Some people use niacin or niacinamide for acne, leprosy, attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), memory loss, arthritis, preventing premenstrual headache, improving digestion, protecting against toxins and pollutants, reducing the effects of aging, lowering blood pressure, improving circulation, promoting relaxation, improving orgasm, and preventing cataracts.

NIACIN AND NIACINAMIDE VITAMIN B3: Uses, Side Effects, Interactions and Warnings - WebMD

I take a LOT of Vitamin B3 from my daily B-complex vitamins I take every night: I take 1 full pil and a half a pill *at least* in pieces over a few hours while drinking. Break a full pill in half. Your body does not need it all at once.

Niacin is included too.

It's water soluble.

I've been doing this since at least year 2000.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

I've been doing this since at least year 2000.

no effect on retardation then...

Any of you jokers taking Maca?

I just added it to my array of herbs/powders/supplements...

Moving away from capsules - to powder form. More bang for your buck and easier for the body to digest. Taking Good Green Stuff (a NZ product)... I would urge you guys and girls to take it (or the American equivalent) in favor of a multi-vitamin.

I add my Maca to GGG in the morning and evening. I still take capsules (garlic, fish oil, flaxseed oil, etc) just tending to favor powder form these days..

...^a balanced diet is all you need...unless you're desperate for upmarket urine...

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

I've been doing this since at least year 2000.

no effect on retardation then...

I haven't seen the studies although I presume retardation is a condition one is born with.

And NZ Dikie,

Thanks for the FYI on this above.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

I take a LOT of Vitamin B3 from my daily B-complex vitamins I take every night: I take 1 full pil and a half a pill *at least* in pieces over a few hours while drinking. Break a full pill in half. Your body does not need it all at once.

Niacin is included too.

It's water soluble.

Vitamin B3 aka niacin, is nicotinic acid, made from tobacco leaf.

Nicotinamide or niacinamide is a milder 'no-flush' form of niacin (nicotinic acid), and is manufactured in the body from niacin. This in turn boosts the body's cellular energy by forming ATP, adenosine triphosphate, which breaks down to ADP, adenosine diphosphate.

This increases energy levels and helps in metabolising fats etc, reducing triglycerides and LDL (bad) cholesterol and increasing HDL (good) cholesterol.

Through various metabolic pathways, ADP in turn aids in repairing the telomeres in your DNA, so repairing nerves and brain and other body tissues including skin.

The most recent development of vitamin B3 is in the discovery of NR, nicotinamide riboside, or nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide, the vitamin found in minute quantities in milk, whey, beer and yeast.

NR has been found to double the lifespan of flatworms and rats in the laboratory.
Rats, equivalent in age to 60yr old humans became as sprightly as those a third of their age after being given given NR, then continued in that high energy, extremely healthy, regenerated mode until frozen (harvested) when they reached double their normal lifespan.

Human clinical trials are now underway, and results indicate that the effects found in mice, rats etc were replicated in humans.

I got onto Nicotinic acid therapy in 2014, and within 5 months the difference in my metabolism, overall health and strength was remarkable.
I lost most of my LDL cholesterol and midriff fat, had increased energy levels, improved eyesight and with exercise replaced around 5 kg of fat with 5 kg of lean muscle mass.

I took 250 mg / day to start, increasing slowly to 500 mg then 1 gm per day until I was taking 3 gm per day plus, all under doctors' supervision, blood tests for liver and kidney function every 6 wks. All good.

Now I take niacinamide 6 x 250 mg tabs per day, as niacin seems unavailable in Thailand.

I'll be getting the NR form asap, prices are going down, commercial forms are marketed as Niagen and Chromadex.

I highly recommend Vitamin K2 (MK4 formulation). Don't confuse it with Vitamin K, it performs an entirely different role to that vitamin. The recommended daily dose, in tablet form, is 250 mcg.

This is what i take, just one drop is sufficient and should be taken with fat as the vitamin is fat soluble. e.g. I put a drop on buttered toast. One bottle will last about 3 years at that dose.

https://www.iherb.com/pr/thorne-rese...oz-30-ml/21592

There are natural sources, but in the modern diet its not so abundant, unless you eat a lot of gouda cheese or eat natto everyday.

It is the regulatory chemical that allows your body to deposit calcium to your bones and not your arteries, it also plays a vital role in the growth and development of the skeleton facial features, and teeth of children as they grow. If children get a adequate supply of this vitamin, along with the the other necessary nutrition, they will grow to their full potential in the right proportions, with good teeth in an uncrowded jaw, and have even facial features

Its something that is worth taking throughout your whole life, and should help prevent calcification of arteries and bone loss as we age.

Here is a very informative link that goes into great deal of detail regarding the vitamin.

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-...inally-solved/

I have been taking for a good few years now and make sure my infant son gets it in his diet. Hopefully he will like gouda cheese when he gets old enough.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...^a balanced diet is all you need...unless you're desperate for upmarket urine...

Yes, you will survive on a balanced diet (whatever that means)... 'optimal health', is almost impossible to achieve without supplementation however...

Because of soil depletion, crops grown decades ago were much richer in vitamins and minerals than the varieties most of us get today.

It would be overkill to say that the carrot you eat today has very little nutrition in it—especially compared to some of the other less healthy foods you likely also eat—but it is true that fruits and vegetables grown decades ago were much richer in vitamins and minerals than the varieties most of us get today.

The main culprit in this disturbing nutritional trend is soil depletion: Modern intensive agricultural methods have stripped increasing amounts of nutrients from the soil in which the food we eat grows. Sadly, each successive generation of fast-growing, pest-resistant carrot is truly less good for you than the one before.

Source: https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...utrition-loss/

Also, that bright yellow urine is no indication that your vitamin pills/powders are not being digested... quite the opposite in fact.
B vitamins are water-soluble and move directly into the blood, where they travel freely throughout the body. Your kidneys detect excess riboflavin, which is excreted in the urine.

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

'optimal health', is almost impossible to achieve without supplementation however...

...thanks, but I'll stick with the advice I've received from doctors over the years: a balanced diet unless testing shows a need for supplementation (like my need for a daily vitamin D tablet as a recent blood test showed a deficit: hate the sun)...

I rely on the sun and fish oil, fatty fish, along with cheese and eggs for Vit D.

Omega 3 in fish oil combined with VitD contained in it help regulate serotonin levels and improve brain function.

All the vitamins are essential for optimum health, and eating a broad range of organic fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds and animal/fish products ensures an adequate supply of them.

Increasing doses of any of the vitamins will have a knock-on effect on the others, especially in the B range of vitamins which work best in combination.

All good mate... I'm not trying to persuade anyone, it's your body, take care of it how you see fit. The benefit of herbs, supplements are still being argued over - and will be for some time to come.

In the meantime, I choose a holistic approach to my health... some of the stuff I take might have minimal benefit, some has great benefit, some might be a waste of money..

doctors are not in the business of advocating supplements - they are in the business of staunchly promoting pharmaceuticals...

Also depends on your doctor, our family Dr, prescribed vitamins for my Nana for her macular degeneration, among other things... quite surprised to see him change his tune... times are changing...

Up to you..

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

our family Dr, prescribed vitamins for my Nana for her macular degeneration, among other things... quite surprised to see him change his tune... times are changing

I would hope he prescribed vitamin supplements based on either geriatric research or tests of bodily fluids...in which case, no change of tune needed...

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

IMHO

yes, that's what it is...

Doctors are pill pushers, pharmaceutical salesmen, confirmed to me by my own enlightened GP in NZ, who used just exactly those words.

Some of the doctors at his clinic were dead against me taking mega doses of VitB3 citing a lack of peer reviewed research as 'proof' that Vit B3 wouldn't work for me.

After strenuous discussions, I was finally given a prescription for it, costing me NZ$5 for 3 months supply of VitB3 at 3 gm/day. with a repeat 3 month follow-up at the same cost.

Compared to previously buying it over the counter at the pharmacy for NZ$ 20 or so for 60 tabs @ 250 mg each, a fortune for 5 days supply @ 3gm /day.

Needless to say, the rest of the clinic team were trying to get me to take statins instead.

Life-style change made it even easier for me, no smoking, cutting right down on alcohol, carbs, no sugar or salt added to food or drink, lots of home juiced veges and fruit along with nuts, oily fish, less meat, more eggs, milk, cheese, whey and yoghurt.

And the gym, increased my daily exercise time from half an hour a day (including walking) to an hour brisk walk a day, using hand grips while walking, half an hour doing weights and exercycle per morning, along with another half hour all up of intermittent sets of reps on resistance bands, doing squats, press ups and more dumbbell reps. Stopped using the elevator up to my 4th floor apartment, even while carrying home two full bags of groceries.

Persistence was the key, I felt insecure if I hadn't done some strenuous exercise every day.

I had never felt so fit and healthy for years, so determined to continue, with obviously improving health, daily.

As you say Dick, "Up 2 U."

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

You can no longer rely on food alone for optimum nutrition.
Handicapping yourself by “only getting nutrients from food” is not a good idea IMHO.

Agreed, especially if you can't grow your own organic food supply.

Originally Posted by ENT

Persistence was the key

true for many aspects of life...

^ Interested to hear your review of GGG.. I think it's one of NZ's best products.
We will sell it in Japan.

Here is some info on "Macca" for ya.



What is Maca and why should I put it in my Smoothie?

“Maca”. Maca has been highly regarded for centuries as a miracle food so it’s no surprise it has become a recent addition to the “must have” nutrient list for smoothies.

Although it’s part of the broccoli, radish, and watercress family and even looks like a very robust radish, it has an earthy taste with a nutty flavor, making it a perfect complement to smoothies. Like the rest of the roots in the cruciferous family, it’s low in calories – one teaspoon of maca powder has only 10 calories.

Native to the Andes Mountains, maca is the superfood of one of the oldest, and once most advanced civilizations on earth – the Incas and Peruvians. Over the centuries maca has been called “magic, the food of the gods, a natural Viagra, and a miracle drug” for a reason. It works. For centuries people have been using it for everything from enhancing their fertility to boosting their immune system or libido, but most people simply love the non-caffeinated burst of energy they get from putting maca in their smoothies.

Most people report a subtle, but noticeable, non-jittery type energy boost within minutes to hours from adding just one teaspoon into their smoothie.

It’s not because it’s magical, but because of the root’s very real and very scientific makeup and how it affects everything from circulation to the endocrine system. To date there are no known toxic side effects from using maca. As a matter of fact, scientists say that repeated use of maca is like repeatedly exercising – the body not only adapts, but also gets stronger over time each time you use it.


Health Benefits of Maca

Just one teaspoon in your smoothie once or twice a day can do amazing things. Here are just a few of the things you can expect maca in your smoothie to help with:

Energy: Most people feel their mood and energy level lift almost instantly. Users report their energy, stamina and endurance.

Sex Drive: Maca has been shown to increase not only the male sex drive, but the production of sperm as well.

Fertility: Maca increases fertility in both men and women.

Migraines: If you suffer from migraine headaches you might want to try maca. Because most migraines are related to an imbalance in hormone levels, or fluctuating hormone levels, maca works by leveling out those levels. Maca doesn’t create any hormones in the body – it just helps the body produce them more consistently and effectively. It helps balance the body’s production of estrogen and progesterone. Maca also helps restore balance to the hypothalamus and pituitary glands – the body’s master gland system.

Memory: Maca enhances memory as well as our ability to learn and process mentally. It makes us more alert and aware.

Wounds: Maca speeds wound healing and benefits the circulatory system as well.

Vitamin packed: Maca includes 55 phyto-chemicals, including vitamins B1, B2, B12, and Vitamin C, zinc. It has amino acids, calcium and phosphorus as well.

Immune Booster: Maca’s 22 fatty acids function both as a fungicide and as a local antiseptic. These actions, along with the natural Vitamin C and zinc are believed to help aid in overall immunity enhancement.

Stress: For people with adrenal stress from work, disease, exercise or PTSD, maca can reduce the effects of cortisol on the adrenal glands and other organs so impacted by a “Type A”, high pressure lifestyle or job. Athletes, executives and anyone with an active life will appreciate how maca helps address the destructive actions of mental, emotional and physical stress on the body. Maca can help lower high blood pressure and how the body burns and utilizes food.

Thyroid: The Thyroid gland controls the rate at which the body produces energy from nutrients. Maca contains an alkaloid extract which activates the body’s natural calcitonine hormones, which regulate the metabolism of calcium (Ca) and phosphorus (P) in the blood. The hormone is secreted by the thyroid and the parathyroid. It acts in the intestines, bones, and kidneys to increase the (Ca2+) in the plasma. It also aids in wound healing through blood clotting. (Dr. Chacon — Peru)

Pancreas: Maca also boosts the work your pancreas does in keeping your blood sugar levels even. The pancreas is a vital part of the digestive process. If the duct from the pancreas become blocked for some reason the digestive fluids of the pancreas may digest the pancreas itself, or lead to pancreatitis, or pancreatic cancer.

Thymus: Your thymus is the organ responsible for the health of your immune system. It produces the T-cells that fight off infection and disease, especially important if you are getting treatment for HIV, AIDS or cancer. Maca contains vitamin C as well as trace elements of zinc. Researchers found out years ago that C and zinc, when taken together, help boost the immune system function of the thymus gland. Part of maca’s adaptogenic value may be its ability to enhance the thymus’ cell mediated immunity.

^Has any of the above been proven by a reputable lab?...

yup...

Thanks Dick...I've always meant to try maca and never got around to it.

Originally Posted by ENT

vitamin B3 is used for schizophrenia, hallucinations due to drugs, Alzheimer’s disease and age-related loss of thinking skills, chronic brain syndrome,

leprosy, attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), memory loss

Yep, that describes you well.

Originally Posted by ENT

replaced around 5 kg of fat with 5 kg of lean muscle mass.

Changed the shape of your head, did it ?